/dep/ - Depression

>>290833
so we won

>>290835
Not sure how you call that a win.

>>290835
>sarcastic reply

Speaking of games, Skull and Bones, Kill the Justice League and Battlefront Collection. I've never seen a string of big name flops like that. Modern gaming is in such dire state because normalfags somehow became whales.

like back when you were a kid if you knew you nerdy lil hobies were gonna become billion dollar media empires that everyone loves, you would think you won

>>290835
succubi still mock nerds and geeks, even those who made it big in tech. Nobody thinks Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg is "sexy" even as their billions of dollars keep mounting up.

>>291036
New generations of programmers and creators are also mostly aspies with severely limited imaginations who spent their childhoods in front of tablets instead of exploring the world.

There will never, ever be a gaming company like Blizzard North where the composer (Matt Uelmen) goes to Haiti to get sound samples from military marches for Diablo 2 background bits.

Or epic Starcraft characters like Alarak voiced by seasoned pros like John de Lancie (who was an original voice actor in Star Trek).
Gameplay that challenged players, had multiple layers of complexity and stopped handholding after the initial beginning.

Why? Because the people who make modern games are garbage. They are post-geeks who have zero insight or life experience.
These are the people who did nothing except stare at a screen for 20 years and now they're creating video games because all they can do as a profession is stare at a screen.

But they don't know what makes a good soundtrack immersive. They don't know how to captivate audiences with gameplay mechanisms that feel immersive. They don't know how to create color layouts, dungeons or maps that don't feel dull and repetitive.

Games are now purely geared to extract microtransaction money from other retards who have done nothing except pay for microtransactions to 'speed up their next process by 2 hours' from ages 5-20 and have no life experience, and thus expect nothing better.

It's simply better to quit gaming or only play pre-2020 games. There are a handful of good games still being released today, but for every such game, you have 99% utter burning garbage.

>>291045
>Games are now purely geared to extract microtransaction money from other retards who have done nothing except pay for microtransactions to 'speed up their next process by 2 hours' from ages 5-20 and have no life experience, and thus expect nothing better.

I've seen normalfag zoomers stick up for microtransactions and companies shutting down servers for games that could easily run on private servers. I honestly think it would blow zoomers minds that people used to host their own MP servers for games.

I mean, like a basic ass MP shooter made now lives and dies based on a central server owned by the company. Imagine if you couldn't play Quake 3 online anymore because id software shutdown their servers and there was no way to run your own.

>>291132
Imageboard user: writes thread about anything

retards with no personality: yeah but ZOOMERS

>>291134
Did you refute anything except use a meme format that's been in use for 15 years because zoomers can't create anything new? You aren't even wizards.

I bet you're dying to use pepe and wojak memes.

NO! MY HECKING TELETUBBY FANDOM GETTING ABSORBED BY THE NORMIE BLOB ISN'T NATURAL! THIS VINTAGE 1992 GI JOE FIGURE AND THE COLLECTOR FANDOM WAS THE EPITOME OF COOL, AND NOW THESE NORMIES ARE RUINING EVERYTHING!!!

commodification - dead giveaway for when you are talking with a marxist

>>291138
>continues his retarded zoomer tantrum
Why are you even on an imageboard for wizards?

This is why I enjoy my hobbies by myself. What I like is still rather niche but has some annoying normiefags into it and doing this like constantly harassing and crying about a guy who contributes to it. I ignore them and cut myself off from them. I won't let some normie ruin the few things I enjoy.

>>291146
geek "culture" became a brand. Nobody today really plays d&d 2e, they play meme dnd for normies. Nobody today really plays wargames, they play miniatures tabletop cancer. Few people watch the original shows like trek, they watch animeshit for succubi and people with aspbergers and adhd. Capeshit is of course cancer incarnate. And of course vidya 2024 is triple A handholding cutscene crap and cod simulators whereas the old genres don't even resemble the current ones

It's as if they switched the product just a little bit every year to make it more marketable and now the very nature of it changed into slop. I guess I'm rambling, but who cares. Your identity being expressed in a character you saw on a screen or a video game you play is stupid and for cattle

>>286205
Check out the Youtube channels "Rites of Pestilence" "No Gleaming Light" and "Mão da Glória" for good modern raw black metal

>>285412
Just learn all you can about a specific genre and find all the works whether it be writers, mangaka, music you enjoy. If you search you'll delve deeper and deeper and necessarily discover more obscure works. Weirder works will never become popular because of their very nature.

>>285966
Lain is a literal meme now lol

>>291227
That .jpg is the concentrated brainrot of 12,000 chemically castrated nail-painters. I don't even like using a board that has the phrase "Former otaku idols smoking weed" anywhere on it. I hope you posted it to make fun of the kind of people who would post it in earnest.

>>291229
Lmao it's just a dumb filename for a dumb pic. You sound jaded. You're on here more than I am let's be real.

>>291230
That's the type of response I feared most…

I must warn the other.

>>291231
Lighten up, man. Nothing here has been srs bsns since
I honestly don't remember.

>>291232
"lightening up" isn't a useful response to outsider transvestites getting their kicks from turning nice Japanese anime characters in to filthy niggers for meme-clout on Instagram.

>>291152
>some interesting observations
>some dogshit points

I mean you essentially agree with the main point.

>Your identity being expressed in a character you saw on a screen or a video game you play is stupid and for cattle
See:
>In the past being a geek meant at best you weren't worth interacting with or at worst painted a target on your back, but nothing major on a societal level, just that you were uncool. Now (or soon enough), you are no longer uncool or a geek but a crab or a potential shooter, an entitled manchild, or some other negative label. Geek is no longer uncool, uncool is no longer geek. The outcast is no longer a geek, the outcast is no longer uncool. The outcast is [NULL], ready to be redefined to whatever is required, irrespective of what the outcast themselves think. In fact, you can go one step further and say uncool is [NULL] itself. Many things now are either "good" or "bad" (usually in the service of shilling some kind of product).

>For the last 10+ years or so, probably since a certain idiot fucking gentleman, there's been an effort to paint the would-be geek as a born misanthropic miscreant, whose isolated miserable life is a failing of themselves as opposed to their material circumstances and/or external forces acting on them. Sole blame lies on them, "They didn't try hard enough" and when they snap on occasion it's just proves that were a bad egg to begin with. IIRC, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there was this bizarre attributing of frat boy/cool kid crimes (and sociology) to male geeks for a while in the early 10s and how male geeks/nerds/outcasts need to do better which eventually culminated in the "gamers are dead" fiasco and gamergate shit.

The crab/outcast/loser is the perma-boogeyman. It's one thing to lose geek culture, it's another to be suddenly blamed for all of society's ills even though you've kept out of everyone's way.

>>291227
Ugh.

>>291036
>>291045
>>291132
I don't understand how dogshit keeps getting released and still people keep preordering after so many turds.

>>291233
Hmmmmmmmmm. It seems like I'm the one who is jaded. Having seen so many discussions relating to the thread topic and seeing it happen in real time, it has long ceased to be something I really put much thought or negative energy to.
You can even sometimes find ancient blogs and posts from (now) much older and (most likely) truer nerds through wiby.me making succintions of all the posts itt.
I won't waste your time any longer. All the best.

>>291275
Helldivers 2, a sleeper hit, nearly fucked up it's PC release by trying to force people to sign up to PSN to play it. It's only because of PC-only gamers, in foreign lands where PSN doesn't exist made, enough noise to stop Sony reverse it's decision. And you KNOW that Sony has plans to make it mandatory for any future titles.

>>292028
>a sleeper hit
More like a streamer hit. Helldivers 2 was a one week wonder. Half of those who were interested in it took a week to get experience all it had to offer, while the other half just watched jerks on Twitch play it. Trash game or not, what Sony tried to pull was bad, but the reality is that platforms such as Epic and Steam are already rolling out measures to tie users to their real identities but nobody is batting an eye because those platforms or held in higher regard than Sony. All this situation has revealed is that most gamers who blow hot air only do so when it is fashionable to do so, while remaining ignorant or hypocritical to the same issues elsewhere.

>>292031
remember palworld? neither do they.

also
>tie users to their real identities
oh fuck, do you have any source for that? like many older guys here i grew up with a "dont put up your real info online" mentality. i dont play games anymore at all, but i keep an old account that must be worth almost $1,000. thats not much but its a lot for a zero income neet. i always feared steam one day locking me out and demanding proof of this fictional identity

im not that guy btw

>>292031
>All this situation has revealed is that most gamers who blow hot air only do so when it is fashionable to do so, while remaining ignorant or hypocritical to the same issues elsewhere.
The Cyberpunk 2077 situation is absolutely insane, a game so broken on release that the Playstation Store issued refunds. Then they release an anime and the negative opinions starts going in reverse because every normalfag is now an anime fan.

>>285797
There's a great irony in you posting this, in that people on /a/ (and otaku on Japanese imageboards according to some people) railed against this vehemently. They saw it as an appropriation of geek culture, a distillation, a perversion. It didn't help that the creator was a young early 20s Japanese that spent some of his childhood and teens in the States, so they could tar him with that brush labeled "pozzed and westernized". Distinguishing the authentic from the unauthentic is such a big problem for everyone nowadays and even an impassioned cry like the one in webm related is bound to have dirt thrown on it by the very same people it claims to speak for.

>>292327
>Distinguishing the authentic from the unauthentic is such a big problem for everyone nowadays

Almost every modern geek personality seems to be either a sellout, a whore or a dudebro. And because there's no barriers to knowledge access (you can just google info on a game, or anime or whatever and just gauge the general consensus) and just pass it off as your own knowledge, truth be damned.

I'm coming across this opinion more and more, half the time from zoomers pretending to be millennials: Nerd/geek culture was never a thing, that it was always mainstream.

I'm not sure if it's possible to argue against this using just my personal memories of it.

>>293030
nerd/geek/gaymer/weeb are the most cringe group of people that came to be in popular culture. only normalfags and youtubers call themselves like that. for 'otaku' it's still special because I associate it with only japanese population

gamers are insanely gay they take all the fun out of games. i came to play so i can do my share of escapism not to compete with anyone. competition as recreation is the most disgusting and filthy thing you can do as group activity. i still despise teachers that forced me to participate in this nonsense bullshit

>>293034
I agree with you

>>293030
What point is there arguing? I remember a time when being called a geek or a nerd was an insult (sometimes if you push a millennial or older normalfag enough they might still use it) and it was a label the cool kids stuck on you to denigrate you. Then nerds started using it the same way black use the world nigger. Then when geek culture started to become more valuable normniggers started to describe themselves as nerds/geeks.

>>293032
>only normalfags and youtubers call themselves like that.
Were you born yesterday?

>>293054
>Were you born yesterday?
no but those take proud of calling themselves like that

I genuinely wonder what the world looks like to zoomer outcast. There's a generation where capeshit has been popular (and digestible) for most of their early lives.

>>293717
they grow up to be very feminine soycuck redditors with liberal brainwashing since there is no more bullying in schools they grow up in a safe environment like useless slugs

>>293738
>very feminine soycuck redditors with liberal brainwashing
You are a Chinese bot.

>>293738
>zoomer outcasts are hostile to their own kind
I see.

>>286761

Through watering down the media the avergae zoomer consumes, they've managed to stripe this generation of would-be-nerds of critical thinking.

>>294467
>critical thinking
Zoomers, and it's *not entirely* their fault, got z-lib fucked because blasted it across social media.

>>294578
*because they blasted it

>>>/lounge/314967
>I forgot to add though, it's probably quite easy to lose yourself in your own otaku world if you can mentally blockout normalfags in Japan. There is so much in the way of anime, manga, figurines, puzzles, gunpla, games, etc and a solid second hand market for these things. Almost unbelievable since all our second hand markets got destroyed by ebay and every normalfag thinking their garbage is worth 1000s.

>I guess all you'd have to do is survive japanese school, though I don't know if Japan is better or worse for outcasts in the school system.

One thing japanese outcasts have over western ones, that and the proper ability to go full hikki.

>>285432
You talk like wizarddom is the logical superior yet youre clearly trying to create a new hierarchy in which you are at the top. It isnt a bad thing for creating cukture with other people but ur literally hypocritical and half as smart as a dumb normalfag lol. Go suck some cock faggot.

The temporary discourse around a certain film release and then watching the film itself, and all I can say is "wow".

I'd never thought I'd see a studio/director burn through at least $200 million to burn down a billion dollar franchise solely because it didn't like a specific demographic of the audience.

It's obviously a little deeper than that, but not by much. There's at least a couple of ways to look at this film.

The film itself is well-made, well-shot, well-acted, I can't find many faults in this regard. The musical aspect isn't too bad in a certain light. And if the story was actually leading to something meaningful, the first 2/3rd seems decent if a little overlong. It's essentially a court room drama to see if Fleck/Joker is culpable for the murders he committed in the last film.

However once it gets to the pivotal scene where Fleck is raped by the prison guards and consequently takes full responsibility for the murders and renounces his Joker persona, it's clear that there's no deeper meaning beyond "fuck you virgins/outcasts/crabs/etc you are inherently bad" and all the prior scenes *were* just a setup drive that point home, every character that was still alive or had sympathy for the Joker in the original was brought back to rescind that sympathy. Literally at one point they highlight that Fleck may be a virgin as if it was a cardinal sin. Fleck gets stabbed to death at the end for "doing the right thing".

I honestly think it's to perpetuate the idea of the would-be nerd as an inherently malevolent being to be used as a scapegoat for all of society's ills. And I honestly think that the would-be nerds have revolutionary potential too that they needed to negate.

The other way to look at this which isn't too different from the first way, is that the joker accidentally became a symbol of the downtrodden, that the idea that maybe our superiors won't come to save us or actually have our best interests at heart. I remember when both wings of the mainstream media started attacking the original film before it came out, as a "dangerous" movie, "crab" movie, that shouldn't be seen by anyone. Watching the original film you understand why that probably was the case, it's not a particularly subtle movie and has themes of class warfare running through it and a sympathetic view of why a person would become a "villain" in our dogshit system and ends in an uprising.

Somehow this derivative work of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy frightened the powers that be just enough for the initial media backlash and for a sequel to be greenlit to mar the original. Why a fucking comic book movie got them this worried, I don't really know.

After the Joker renounces his persona and is back in prison, he gets stabbed to death by the "real Joker" so not only does the message seem to be "do not fuck with the system or we will fuck you" but "we have a corporate stand-in to replace you".

Those are my 2 rusty pence.

>>295737
Is Todd Philips jewish?

>>295759
is there even a need to ask? lol