/dep/ - Depression

Being a geek, before it got (completely) commodified, was essentially a branding mark and limited your social capital/credit to, I'd say, most in-groups. People who were branded geeks usually had limited social capital to begin with, and I don't think it would be too inaccurate of me to say that geeks generally had specific personality traits, you know the ones; social awkwardness, shyness, obsession with a topic, etc. It's recognisable enough that "The Geek/Nerd" is a stock character, usually played pitiful/sympathetic (or just pathetic), maybe an underdog-type or perhaps a mistreated/outcast villain.

Regardless, a lot of the time "The Geek/Nerd" has been portrayed as sympathetic because even in fiction produced for normalfags, constantly kicking down an outcast would be in bad taste and bring into question the morality of a normalfag, especially when a protagonist is "The Geek/Nerd".

This is a somewhat of a problem for the normalfags and the machine. For the normalfags, self-identification with "The Geek" is a little difficult to do when it is so strongly linked with the outcast/outsider/loser/etc, not that it would stop the average normalfag if it gave them a social boost, but they still have to refer to the original image of "The Geek" however distorted it has become.

For the machine that processes subcultures for profit-extraction and absorption into the monoculture, the distorted image of the "The Geek" does not represent maximal profit extraction, it's still not completely accessible to every normalfaggot on the planet.

The want "ownership" of the image. To do that they would have to decouple the person/people behind the image. Like I said "The Geek" is strongly linked to the outcasts/losers/misfits/outsiders/etc, and quite a lot of the geek-orientated media, both by and for geeks reflects that; fantasical adventures of the sci-fi or fantasy kind with somewhat of a childish focus on making friends, finding a soulmate, and saving the world *as as outcast* who is accepted because of their faults or they find their people, away from the normalniggers.

Trying to change the underlying definitions of "The Geek" at this stage would be seen as heretical because the original but distorted image still exists, so what the current objective has been is to decouple and re-brand the would-be geek as something else, something "inherently" malevolent.

This is where the title of my post comes in: Death of the Uncool. It's kinda like the "War on Terror" in the 00s, where you're given an unreasonable ultimatum (You're either with us or against us) and a label is plastered on you if you choose "wrong". In the past being geek meant at best you weren't worth interacting with or at worst painted a target on your back, but nothing major on a societal level, just that you were uncool. Now (or soon enough), you are no longer uncool or a geek but a crab or a potential shooter, an entitled manchild, or some other negative label. Geek is no longer uncool, uncool is no longer geek. The outcast is no longer a geek, the outcast is no longer uncool. The outcast is [NULL], ready to be redefined to whatever is required, irrespective of what the outcast themselves think. In fact, you can go one step further and say uncool is [NULL] itself. Many things now are either "good" or "bad" (usually in the service of shilling some kind of product).

For the last 10+ years or so, probably since a certain idiot fucking gentleman, there's been an effort to paint the would-be geek as a born misanthropic miscreant, whose isolated miserable life is a failing of themselves as opposed to their material circumstances and/or external forces acting on them. Sole blame lies on them, "They didn't try hard enough" and when they snap on occasion it's just proves that were a bad egg to begin with. IIRC, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there was this bizarre attributing of frat boy/cool kid crimes (and sociology) to male geeks for a while in the early 10s and how male geeks/nerds/outcasts need to do better which eventually culminated in the "gamers are dead" fiasco and gamergate shit.

This final phase is probably not that far off, with what gen z outcasts falling neatly into two camps, either some kind of reactionary alt-right culture warrior or mutated, self-mutilating, self-hating tranny nerds on the other side of the culture war spectrum.

i am so retarded that i can't even grasp the meaning of what you are talking about. what do you want wiz me? i feel bad because of this thread.

Why normalfags will never understand true wizards

For a normal everything is group-dynamics, power-struggles, might-is-right, my clique-is right
When you speak up against their lies, inconsistencies, hypocrisies they shut down their brains. They don’t want to listen and immediately deny it and call you names.
They are always projecting their infantile “my clique-is-right” morality.
Only autists and intelligent true wizards are capable of surpassing this kind of thinking.
They believe we only care about wizardry out of spite to them, to gatekeep and hurt them, a scheme to be resentful towards anyone that’s slightly normal, but they don’t see that we, unlike them, want what’s best for the rest of wizards. It benefits all real wizards to stop cliquers from twisting the meaning of wizardry. Just yesterday, we had some redditor pro trans fool who claimed trannies are wizards. That is because for them, wizardry is like going to a bar, something that anyone can choose, even trannies or females. For a larper who can wake up one day and say “i feel like socializing” and check his normphone and pick the number of one of his friends and go to the appointment with no trouble, wizardry is seen like that, a mere choice, some funny label, a silly meme. This type of people will never understand wizardry or real wizards.

You want to know how I came up to this conclusion that we the real wizards will never, and this hurt me at first, be understood by normalfag cliquers?

Because for a normalfag cliquer, wizardry is merely a means to socializing, to create a social hierarchy, to form cliques, to be social. To be part of a real group, just like in real life. They want to replicate the same social dynamics you see in real life, because they are socially oriented creatures unlike real wizards. They cannot go one day without socializing. We real wizards are fundamentally different people.

This means true wizards will never be able and I mean never, be able to argue with this type of normies on a logical basis. Everything true wizards say will be judged through the lense of "victim vs opressor", because for them when we speak up against them we are merely trying to play a victim card, or rather
They will look for the why they’re being attacked and ignore the message entirely.Their worldview simply does not allow for any other outlook. Their worldview only permits evidence which prove what they want them to believe. They are biased towards true wizards.
They’d rather listen to what a female has to say than a true wizard thoughts. Their worldview shapes how they see us.

True wizards are the final Roschach test

What do you see in the true wizard post?
Do you see reasonable arguments or merely a schizo crab full of resentment and hatred? Normalfag cliquers will always say the latter. They will attack the messenger if it does not benefit them.
This is why you cannot argue with them. When you talk to normies, you are not debating facts, you are debating paradigms, worldviews, entire system of thoughts.

They don't process information like wizards.
They only care about the truth wizards speak when it benefits them, like if I were to make a post on the horrible nature of life, the cliquers will clap and agree. If I were to post about how horrible and depressing and foul humanity is, the cliquers won’t disagree. If I were to criticize society for its debauchery and advocate for a more prudish and celibate life, the cliquers will assent. All because they want to project an image of wizardry they originally never had. They adopt the wizard aspects that benefit their online persona to further gain approval from peers and make their socializing easier. This is what I meant when I say that normalfags never cared about the truth.

This is why normalfags are detrimental to wizard communities, because for them inherently they have to gain something from being a wizard. It's a means to an end, for them it’s social status, getting friends, being at the top of a hierarchy, bullying and making fun of wizards, etc.
For real wizards, WIZARDRY IS THE END.

>>285432
sorry couldn't force the whole thing down my brain but you're wrong. it's not about normalfaggotry. it's about low intelligence. your description is something 95% of people meet and since normalfaggots are the majority the majority of low intelligence people are normalfaggots. you can find this pattern anywhere regardless of where you search. of course, if you don't define normalfaggot as brain damaged entity. there are very clever people who lived typical uni-job-family lives. like that dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wiles
he has fucking wife yet he's a very clever academic. is he normalfaggot? yes, because wife, and likely even kids.

you're describing typical dumb no brain faggots who infest this earth and are absolute majority. the only reason why no true wizard is such a faggot is because male virgins who are dumb are called crabs. wizards are enlightened by definition.

>>285433
true wizards are probably 0.1 percent of the male population.

>>285435
People calling themselves truwiz : 0.0000000253%
People who are truwiz : 0.0000000126%

>sorry couldn't force the whole thing down my brain
>but you're wrong
>it's not about normalfaggotry
>it's about low intelligence
lmao then on you go to say that normalfaggots are unintelligent, indeed your brain doesn't have the processor power to handle so much information.
>male virgins who are dumb are called crabs.
lel plenty of in cels are high iq especially the most autistic ones and actual research shows the more intelligent you are the more likely you will end up as an in cel.

>>285444
>they are Jewish Communists.
Capitalists.

>>285428
It's just a lament of the state of geekdom, and an extension of the previous threads. Just trying to grapple with the fact that what was once our domain is now the domain of the cool kids. If you've read the previous threads even /d/-tier porn is in the domain of the cool kids.

Like >>285421 would-be nerds are now either alt-right patsies or tranny faggots, which is genuinely disheartening. Though it is interesting to wonder how life looks to zoomer outcasts who were born into a world they don't have a subculture of their own.

>successful academic
>family
equals clever, because both achieved success on the favorite job and fulfilled your genetically programmed purpose
>successful academic
>virgin
>bitter about it
not equals clever, because your academic success is merely a compensation for your other deficits which are apparent. crab by definition.
>successful academic/just a man at peace with himself
>virgin
>not bitten about it
equals to enlightened wizard, the incarnation of godly intelligence and infinite mental capacity.

crabs are not to be confused with baby wizards who are still bitter as dictated by genes, but are on the right path to the higher wizdom.

>lmao
>lel
>personal affront
back to /r9k/, crab.

>>285446
>Though it is interesting to wonder how life looks to zoomer outcasts who were born into a world they don't have a subculture of their own.
It is like void.

>>285448
>breeders with college degrees with lots of kids are clever
>source: my normgroid worshipper outsider ass
>also i hate crabs so much they live rent free in my head
are you the idiot who defends trannies on wizchan? You type exactly like him and you're esl.

>>285446
There is really no zoomer outcasts as the word would suggest, the generation who grew up with smartphones are so socialized they always are part of a group online or find people with common interests no matter what niche they are into.

>>285450
>crabs
>crabs
>crabs
>personal affronts
you bitter crab leave me alone

>>285452
You're the one derailing the thread with nonsensical anti crab rambling because that's all you can think about when it comes to wizards apparently. You're the one who brings up crabs in every one of your posts. You're pretty pathetic and now act like a victim lmao.

i tried to explain it to you in hopes you are baby wizard but you are hopeless. you have no mental capacity to do anything other that insulting other. i would understand if you have at least tried to argue. buy you haven't.

>>285453
see, you're acting exactly like normgroid troll with hurt ago. i leaved a post and fucked off, but you are so triggered that you absolutely must derail this thread with meaningless stink, because there's nothing else you can do.

>>285454
>>285457
> anything other that insulting other
> hurt ago
>i leaved a post
You are literally a phoneposter or dumb esl who doesn't even bother to read what he writes before posting, what are you on about?
>you are so triggered
I'm actually watching anime on my second monitor and wondering if you're on drugs or something because you do nothing but cry about crabs in every thread.

>>285451
Interesting viewpoint.

>>285449
Explain.

>>285460
>Explain
How can I possibly explain? You just kinda sit in front of monitor, watch these stupid imageboard "discussions" and wonder why are you alive. 365/24/7. You don't even know what you can possibly do that's not hostile out of the box. I have not been been able to find any places that wouldn't be infested with deranged aggressive-by-default people so far. I was even one of them back then when I was a teenager, until I realized how cancerous it is. This is worth a suicide, honestly.

>>285461
Not him but that's what you're doing now. What's it like in terms of relations with other people, your interests, etc in the context of geek being super mainstream.

Like as a millennial, before the normalfags invaded, I could escape to the internet, my videogames, anime, etc, regardless of what was happening IRL, I had my own space and my own people and my own identity.

>>285451
But then why is there a(n apparent) increase in social isolation? An (apparent) increase in involuntary celibacy from both sexes?

>>285462
>that's what you're doing now
>What's it like in terms of relations with other people, your interests, etc in the context of
Sorry I do not think I understand what you are trying to say.

>>285463
>an apparent
You know, I wonder if more and more people with lower social capital are just falling by the wayside?

>>285412
>We're at the point where we have "gamers" who don't like videogames as the faces of videogames.
If gaming, comic books, anime etc all lost their coolness, would normalfags drop them like a hot potato?

>>285412
It's the only logical outcome of consumpton-based "culture", no matter how niche.
Happened to Punks, happened to nerds, happened to otaku and it will happen again to whatever the cultural-industrial complex can get its hands on and sanitize for popular consumption, because the masses will inevitably get tired of their current toys and look for new things to play with.

>>285547
I mean, is it possible to unbake a cake? A lot of fandoms and hobbies were niche because of the effort required to be part of them (in addition to them being uncool), now you can be an expert with google, youtube and wikis.

>>285497
>>285463
>8 billion people after absolutely extreme exponential population growth, catastrophic overpopulation destroyed the world's ecosystem globally
>lifestyles and environment completely divorced from what we are genetically fit for
i wonder why…

>>285553
>>285547
>and sanitize for popular consumption
They ruined gaming in the process, the sheer amount of microtransactions that normalfags are willing to pay for is insane. I remember normalfags used to make fun of WoW players for paying a sub to play a game (on top of making fun of them for playing an MMO) and now they pay top dollar for virtual currency and Nicki Minaj skins.

>>285561
That means a global birth decline I'm assuming?

>>285797
This is from Akibas Trip isn't it? Cool, I remember it from that 'the road to hell is paved with audiophiles' skit.

my thoughts:
niches are inevitable. People will live their lives and find themselves in social circles based on their experiences. Even if theres some overarching agenda to shape the thoughts of the populace that simply trickles down into "soying up" niches with people who believe the status quo. I cant say exactly how I came to be posting here, or why you came to be posting here, but we are, and we've developed a culture that ties all those different lives together. There are things Ive missed out on, things you've missed out on, simply because our attention was elsewhere. Its just how it is.
I think this idea that every niche has to be open and relatable to all is a neurotypical phenomenon. The idea that a social group is completely inaccessible and unrelatable must be a harm to some people's mentality. Maybe not a big one, but one that tries to push the normal back into a space where he feels secure in his community. This leads to two options: ostracize the niche and call it uncool loser trash, or popularize it and call themselves a fan. Thanks to the rise of the internet, being a computer user is not a social filter anymore. And because of this online niches have become easier to access, which I believe creates the illusion of closeness/importance on a social level, which pushes the dilemma of accept or reject onto the normal. Thanks to corpo this dilemma is solved for them for the sake of profits. If a niche is big enough to milk for money then it will be popularized and pushed out to the masses. this leads to sterilizing for mass appeal, but also because of the nature of what they're doing to the niche. They want to sell a niche to people who already have lives. Its simply impossible for normals to put in the time and effort to care for a niche the same way those who put their entire lives into it, but there's always that desire to "fit in". so the normal and the corpo unite in shallowing out the medium, one for ego, the other for mass profit. both never really cared.
I myself feel this desire to hop in and be a part of various gamer niches, but I do not have the time or energy to do so. The difference is that I accept this, and dont need to protect my ego or profit margin by accusing the people who created and cared for a niche as "toxic" or "gatekeeping".

This has, and will always bother the shit out of me.
I remember watching Serial Experiments Lain on my TV as an 8 year old.
Now anime is suck a big thing.
I feel like they fucking took it from me.

>>285966
>I feel like they fucking took it from me.
You let them have it. You didn't gatekeep hard enough.

>>285968
Trying to figure out if >>285966 is a zoomer but for the life of me I cannot remember when that series came out.

>gatekeep
But regardless, the mistake that the millennial nerds/geeks made was thinking that the increasing mainstream appeal of various geek hobbies and mediums was a good thing. It's an easy mistake to make in retrospect. I don't know if zoomers would understand but a lotta geeks wanted some kind of recognition of their hobbies as opposed to the ridicule you'd normally get, so this change in perception was a welcome one and meant more people enjoying what they enjoyed, so millennial nerds/geeks embraced it. I mean, who knew at that time that normalfags would just come in and plant their flag?

>>286201
>was a good thing
I don't think all of those who were at the forefront thought to themselves "this is a good thing", it was more like they, at least some of them, realized that OGs were ageing and that it was time to "adapt or die" and get new blood. The cynicism that being an honest to god outcast brings surely made some of them at least bring up the possibility of things going south for the core activity or hobby itself, but it really wouldn't have been that hard to see it coming if one were also into politics and sociology, which coincidentally is also correlated with what imho means being a non-failednormalfag or someone who gets into hobbies for the social aspect alone. I think what happened to the Catholic Church would have been the most readily available and easier to understand example of what happens when you basically throw standards out of the window and let everybody and every new idea or project in. The purists are doomed to die early on, during the height of it.

It's unfortunate that no amount of "quality" from a work of media will ever triumph memes and mouth to mouth diffusion. I always had an interest on "psyops" and "mass psychology", the stuff that tries helping you understand why things are the way they are. One of the tookaways from reading into that was that the short, quick and low energy will always win over the elaborate, time and energy consuming. In other words catering to the lowest common denominator always "works" if by work you mean getting people to like and spread your ideas/works. Even if you gatekeep your niche as much as humanely possible, being aware of these dynamics is important for knowing what to expect in the future, they say "change is the only constant" so that's that.

I've been a metal enjoyer all my life, but I was never into the community, "fandom" aspect of it. Over the years I couldn't help but notice how Black Metals popularity in specific has skyrocketed. This of course coincided with the gradual acceptance and merging of the far more accesible Shoegaze subgenre during the early 10s (in addition to all the concessions and watered-downs that had taken place during years prior). I swear to God the amount of unironic trannies into it is enormous. But the other metal genres have been just sort of limping around since then. Maybe it wasn't so much that other metalheads gatekept hard as they should, but that the core sound was simply too far off the "normalfag friendliness" mark, after all being pissed-off is indeed very exhausting and not a very social activity at all. And so those at the metal frontlines, the musicians and "music journalists" (LMFAO) saw it as pointless to even entertain the idea of adapting to newer audiences and generations, deciding to let it all die instead. Important to note here is that as another Wizzie pointed out earlier, zoomers being the hypersocialized generation they are they just cannot stand any form of metal, except modern "black metal" which bears little to no resemblance to the og.

But I really think that there is a point to be made here that it is these, eager "for some kind of recognition" hobbyist geek folks can sometimes be the niches worst enemy down the road.

>>285419
>>285420
There is an awful amount of implied and unimplied political implications here. The core human social workings and needs have and will keep being subverted and weaponized for nefarious gains, "geekdom, hobby or niche" being mere vehicles towards this endgame. I seriously mourn the loss of technological literacy amongst newer generations, I think we all realize how bad this can play out but choose to deny it. Well, not a lot we can do about it at this point in time.