anyone here who's a victim and can't grow a pair to strike back. everytime Im in a argument I lose and got btfo and humiliated. the only thing I can do is seethe and cope. any other wizard like that too? it hurts being weak

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Anonymage 05/13/25 (Tue) 19:54:43 No.300530

anyone here who's a victim and can't grow a pair to strike back. everytime Im in a argument I lose and got btfo and humiliated. the only thing I can do is seethe and cope. any other wizard like that too? it hurts being weak

Anonymage 05/13/25 (Tue) 20:04:38 No.300531

you're not weak, it's just that there's a balloon in your head that inflates itself with air.
very easy to make it pop.

the way you engage with people is like a small dog barking to seem big and tough, clinging to all sorts of things like people's perception of you, or territory.
makes people wanna bark back, and then your balloon goes pop and you hide away.

the way to cease being the small dog and the balloon, is to let go of the things you cling to.

Anonymage 05/13/25 (Tue) 21:44:01 No.300535

>>300531
>the way to cease being the small dog and the balloon, is to let go of the things you cling to.
what about my parents for example?
if someone insults my parents, should I just laugh about it?

Anonymage 05/13/25 (Tue) 21:53:28 No.300536

>>300535
if someone insults your parents, someone might be laughing as you feel attacked, maybe images of your mom flash in your head, maybe the person having insulted your parents is still looking at you, causing a tightness in your chest.

these are the things that are, in that moment.
observe them without reacting to them. this is hard, but the way toward liberation.

the question is not HOW you should react.
the question is, how non reactive can you be?
how relaxed can you be despite this?
how well can you continue doing what you were doing, unperturbed by what they say, without breaking your current action? (if you were doing nothing, then how well can you continue doing nothing?)

drop all worries of what to say, or how to win an argument.
drop even the worry of becoming reactive after all. if it happens, it happens. look forward to the next time where you can have an opportunity to train non reactive observation.

Anonymage 05/13/25 (Tue) 22:18:15 No.300537

>>300536
I'm already pretty good at suppressing my emotions like that, but the problem is I just stand there like a retard with nothing to say
that's not really an option where I work, people there don't insult me like that of course, but they do take jabs and wait for my reaction in silence
>anon? we asked you a question
what now? continue staring blankly in space?

Anonymage 05/13/25 (Tue) 22:26:10 No.300539

>>300536
do you have an example of YOU in a situation and what was your reaction, like you describe to us or you acted differently?

Anonymage 05/13/25 (Tue) 23:14:00 No.300540

ignore them, life has enouh troubles as it is, not worthy it getting into arguments and trivial fights.

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 03:19:51 No.300543

>>300535
>if someone insults my parents
You respond with violence. It's not even about actual fight. Just the threat is enough to stop and prevent these things in the future. Of course, this should only be used for few redlines.

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 03:43:35 No.300544

>>300543
>You respond with violence
To which he gets arrested and has his firearms taken away for threatening violence.
>Just the threat is enough to stop and prevent these things in the future
It really isn't and it's clear you're operating on assumptions made from a basement. Most men who are the type to throw insults in public are the kind who would happily reciprocate the challenge of a fight.

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 04:31:41 No.300546

>>300530
I would say I have similar problems. I cannot get back at anyone when they insult me, bully me or tease. I think it stems from low self-esteem and I don't think you can just find a quick solution to fight back. I would focus on improving your self-esteem, caring about yourself, developing skills etc.

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 05:42:55 No.300548

>>300537
>I'm already pretty good at suppressing my emotions like that
don't think of it as suppressing emotions, just observe them.
>but the problem is I just stand there like a retard with nothing to say
who in you feels a need to say something?
observe your silence and the need as well.
>what now? continue staring blankly in space?
if you have something to say, then say it. but don't say it as an emotional reaction. say it consciously, like you mean it.
additional optinal safeguards: say only things that are kind, useful, needed, appropriately timed. this ensures that it will not be emotionally charged.
if you don't have something to say, then continue observing.
you'll find that being silent is not the end of the world.

>but they do take jabs and wait for my reaction in silence
there you go, they want your EMOTIONAL reaction.
don't give it to them.
if you don't have something you feel is needed to be said (that is true and useful), then do not let them coax something out of you that you do not mean.

>>300539
>do you have an example of YOU in a situation and what was your reaction, like you describe to us or you acted differently?
sometimes, people ask me questions that i know are not asked because they require an answer.

example:

>wiz, did you finish all the work items like we planned?
(we did not plan this, they planned it. i explicitly said that it will take me till xth of june.)

the content of my reply is TRIVIAL. it does not matter what i reply.
unfortunately, i reacted emotionally here.
>i did not finish all the work items. like i said on wednesday, it will probably take me till xth of june.
the "like i said on wednesday" was emotionally charged.

whatever you say that is emotionally charged, is ripe for the picking.
what they say can now make your balloon pop.

the person tried to shake this fact of me having said it or it having any relevance, and it hurt and got me even more emotional.

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 09:48:15 No.300550

>>300548
so if you want the baloon poped, you must answer emotionally? tell em if Im wrong

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 13:57:00 No.300557

>>300550
the balloon inflates itself as you verbally react to unobserved / unwatched emotions.
>NO IM NOT GAY!!
the balloon now exists, now that you have reacted to your emotions in this unskillful way.
if it pops, you suffer. it is painful to have the balloon pop, but in my opinion, the popping is deserved and needed.
if everyone reacted from unobserved emotions, life would be hell.

the balloon inflates itself out of carelessness - you haven't watched your emotions and the present moment.

>so if you want the baloon poped, you must answer emotionally? tell em if Im wrong
you cannot intentionally create a balloon, it is always unintended.
and not you, but other people, decide whether it gets popped.

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 14:12:04 No.300558

>>300557 (cont)
this is also why you feel weak, perhaps at the mercy of other people.
because literally, they have a button they can press at will, to make you suffer.
they decide if they wanna push it, and pushing it is very easy.

YOU are the one who gives them this button, whenever you fail to control your actions.
this is how lolcow farming works.

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 15:12:31 No.300559

>>300558
so I should avoid using ways to communicate with people? because it is when I talk to others, I give them the button.

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 15:47:35 No.300562

>>300559
if you feel like all you do in everyday communication is to react impulsively to your emotions, then maybe it is inevitable that you will give people buttons - for now.
you can make the most of this situation, by starting to observe your emotions and thoughts as people talk to you.
you can also make mental notes of when your unconscious mind impulsively says something, creating a balloon.

sit back and watch all these things happen. ahh, nostalgic.
make sure you relax into the feelings you feel. breathe, relax into them. very tricky at first.

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 17:57:02 No.300569

>>300562
how to not be impulsive?

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 18:13:37 No.300570

>>300569
impulsivity exists because your body currently rejects many types of feelings and emotions.
it rejects in by taking over, and acting for you. fight or flight.

if you instead make a conscious effort to relax into the emotions and feelings, you're reclaiming ownership over them from your body.

your body is very QUICK though, faster than you are - it snatches the emotions and feelings up before you can even sense them.
while you're lost in thoughts, your body is always awake and focused, ready to "protect" you.

in order to have a CHANCE of winning that race (sense and relax into your emotions before your body takes over), you have to connect to your body.
conscious breathing, maybe some minor meditation, sense things through ears eyes skin etc.

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 18:28:11 No.300573

>>300570
thank you for your posts, very clever advices and useful

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 19:07:15 No.300575

>>300573
good luck / read eckhart tolle

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 20:08:37 No.300577

>>300575
>>300505 heres my other thread. if you can help me with this one too

Anonymage 05/14/25 (Wed) 20:44:57 No.300582

>>300578
?

Anonymage 05/18/25 (Sun) 19:52:21 No.300685

>>300530
sure
it feels pointless to argue
even if you got the truth on your side, normalniggers will use their tricks to downplay and ridicule you
form over substance
what you say doesn't matter as much as how you say it
in the end, it comes down to "rizz" and I don't have any

Anonymage 05/18/25 (Sun) 23:16:05 No.300689

>>300558
life changing post

Anonymage 05/19/25 (Mon) 21:50:49 No.300698

not even Socrates could argue against normals to save his life.

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 05:51:43 No.300700

>>300698
stoicism doesn't work against normies they know it's a cope
only being an aggressive psycho works against them
they will be like ok chill dude and that is when you punch them in the face and btfo them

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 15:52:50 No.300702

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>>300700
totally agree

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 16:01:31 No.300703

>>300700
>stoicism doesn't work against normies they know it's a cope
Well they're wrong, because it's not a "cope".

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 16:41:54 No.300704

>>300700
>>300702
yup
when I was bullied back in school, my not reacting only led to more bullying
I should have retaliated when I could

>>300548
>who in you feels a need to say something?
>observe your silence and the need as well.
>if you don't have something to say, then continue observing.
>you'll find that being silent is not the end of the world.
sorry, but this is not good advice for someone who's already meek and quiet
letting normies attack without reacting will only lead to more attacks
it might work for someone who's impulsive, expresses his emotions and has violence control issues

>>300703
>trying to derail the thread with what is and isn't cope
whatever, call it something other than stoicism
his point remains valid - lack of retaliation is like an invitation for normies to keep attacking

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 16:51:39 No.300705

>>300704
>sorry, but this is not good advice for someone who's already meek and quiet
this is not concerned with socializing, this is concerned with suffering
>letting normies attack without reacting will only lead to more attacks
this is not concerned with preventing attacks, this is concerned with suffering

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 17:01:49 No.300706

>>300705
>if I don't react, I can pretend like this pain is not really mine
>depersonalization and derealization as valid ways to reduce suffering
your schizo level is beyond me

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 17:10:51 No.300707

>>300706
>>if I don't react, I can pretend like this pain is not really mine
by reacting to your emotions/pain, you are specifically NOT allowing the pain to be.
>>depersonalization and derealization as valid ways to reduce suffering
these things happen when we disassociate with our feelings and emotions.
facing them is the opposite of that.

epilogue:
i was once an admin on a game server in my teenage years.
whenever people mocked me, i would immediately ban them.
in effect, i could shut people up.
however, i was deeply hurting despite it.

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 17:27:31 No.300708

>>300707
hold up, do you live in one of those places where "bullying" is when someone says some mean words to you?
do you know that in other parts of the world, bullying means actual beating, kicking, strangling, shoving your head in the toilet, etc.?
actual physical pain, not some googoo baby huwt my feewings :((

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 17:30:18 No.300709

>>300708
i don't know about those things. what should you do when those happen?

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 17:33:31 No.300710

>>300709
>what should you do when those happen?
Stop acting in such a way that encourages bullies to treat you so poorly. Just have a heckin' normal one.

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 18:28:22 No.300711

>>300710
can you teach how to act normal?

Anonymage 05/20/25 (Tue) 18:32:30 No.300712

>>300711
No. Tell a wizard how to act normal, and he gets a fat wife who hates him. Let a wizard discover on his own who it is he truly wants to be, and he learns how to play guitar and draw anime boobs.

Anonymage 05/23/25 (Fri) 07:58:00 No.300741

>>300712
Being openly interested in anime is exactly the kind of thing that leads to you getting your teeth kicked in by a gang of 10 hoodlums here. Your advice is not good.

Anonymage 05/26/25 (Mon) 12:17:02 No.300814

the only times I've ever struck back are due to luck at thinking of a good comeback, or it was because I had to defend someone. Otherwise I just accept I'm not clever and accept the humiliation. Sometimes though it is for the best because I'll reflect on the argument afterward and realize how fucking stupid it was.

Anonymage 05/28/25 (Wed) 21:14:45 No.300870

>>300530
I'm a 5'3" wizard who only weighs 110lbs and has psychosis but because I'm male I don't ever get to be a victim even though by all accounts I'm a complete genetic failure who was seriously wronged by everyone around me leading me to my current state

Anonymage 05/29/25 (Thu) 16:04:17 No.300880

>>300540
what about wizchan?
should cancer posts be ignored?
just like cancer, the low quality posts and falsehoods will spread and propagate if left unaddressed

Anonymage 05/31/25 (Sat) 13:32:25 No.300948

>>300870
ARE you a genetic failure?
WERE you seriously wronged by everyone around you?

>because I'm male I don't ever get to be a victim
succubi also do not get to be a victim. their female peers will pick up on THAT SIGN OF EGO and pounce on it.

stop existing. your body is better off without you.
and no, you do not get to kill yourself. we want your body to live amongst us, but we do not want YOU.

LEAVE, so that we can embrace you.

Anonymage 05/31/25 (Sat) 13:33:29 No.300949

>>300948
What advice do you have for someone who is completely indifferent to life and all of its offerings?

Anonymage 05/31/25 (Sat) 13:39:09 No.300950

>>300949
find your purpose. you may have found strong indifference compared to before, but you still need food, water, sleep, and among some other things, connection.

the well of indifference goes very very deep. if you are afflicted with very painful illness, you will quickly find that you must go deeper.

you live at a level of indifference where you can find a purpose that serves your surrounding.
it doesn't even need to be something major. the next time you queue up for a match, you can cause a good mood with light hearted speech and compliments.

Anonymage 05/31/25 (Sat) 13:48:27 No.300953

>>300950
its hard to find your purpose in a world without purpose, in a society that gives you no chance to have a purpose…

Anonymage 05/31/25 (Sat) 13:58:10 No.300954

>>300953
saving a snail on the road is already a purpose.
take a step back from yourself, observe all self concern from a distance. you will find that you've been part of society all along.

Anonymage 05/31/25 (Sat) 20:38:40 No.300962

>>300870
It sucks that men's woes are played down or ignored at best, we're expected to figure everything out all by ourselves, and take responsibility for things we had no control over. All the while succubi not only have vast support networks, but they also get away with a lot more. This asymmetry made sense in the past when succubi had less autonomy and their shortcomings had to be looked over for the sake of reproduction. But there is no reason that they should have those privileges now that they have the same rights as men, especially since the birth rates are declining.

Anyway, that's probably never going to change. I also have shit genes in many ways and I think it's best to just accept that I won't get to enjoy some parts of life that normals take for granted. On the bright side, never before has life allowed so much without having to interact with other people.

Anonymage 06/01/25 (Sun) 17:41:58 No.300986

>>300954
No, that's not a purpose. Finding and settling a new continent is a purpose.

Modern life offers absolutely nothing for someone born into a poor family and an economy with 2000 people competing for a burger flipping position. Only neeting and suicide are valid options.

Anonymage 06/01/25 (Sun) 18:10:33 No.300987

>>300986
the meaning of the term 'purpose' differs from the ego's constant power fantasy wet dreams of becoming this that and the other for fame and accumulation of pleasure toys.
a remote control has a purpose, as does

a wiz that goes for a hike while listening to music, and then dies, has a purpose: his corpse serves as nutrition for worms and bugs.

a portion of the admin's income has the purpose of allowing wizards to express themselves here.

it might not be what the ego desires, but it sure is a purpose.

Anonymage 06/02/25 (Mon) 08:04:24 No.300988

>>300987
How does ego arise? It's when a child first consciously says 'I want this' contrary to a child that just cries because it needs something without being able to reference itself. Once ego is there children are great at inflating it like a balloon with no limit, they love making fantasies just to feed the ego on the hypothetical level( absolutely nothing wrong with that). The adult fails to appreciate the fantasy for a replacement of 'real' ego feeding. The adult either has to be actually successful and only few can be or to be actively restructuring ego.

Anonymage 06/02/25 (Mon) 08:35:29 No.300989

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>>300536
you're a coward using eastern philosophy mumbo jumbo as rationalization for your weakness.

i need to stop coming to this fucking lunatic den.

Anonymage 06/02/25 (Mon) 09:04:16 No.300991

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>>300989
the guy in your picture has such powerful, menacing vibes
I'd freeze on the spot if I saw him I.R.L
there would be nothing I could do, he can predict all of my moves

anyway, that poster is just one very vocal guy with messiah syndrome
he thinks silencing the ego is the solution to everything, but ironically he won't shut up and even has a distinct, almost signature writing style

please don't stop coming to this wonderful establishment

Anonymage 06/02/25 (Mon) 10:09:58 No.300992

>>300989
can you stay and teach us how to be super strong and brave

Anonymage 07/16/25 (Wed) 15:00:34 No.301783

>>300530
You need to be snarky/quirky

and use the wonders of AI to strike back.

(inb4 you'll accidentally turn ChatGPT/DeepSeek/other LLM into GLaDOS)

Anonymage 07/16/25 (Wed) 15:05:43 No.301784

>>300991
>anyway, that poster is just one very vocal guy with messiah syndrome
he thinks silencing the ego is the solution to everything, but ironically he won't shut up and even has a distinct, almost signature writing style

he may or may not have a funny LLM AI posting for him

all while he's personally "silent like lasagna" like a real G

Anonymage 07/30/25 (Wed) 07:47:05 No.301931

>>300991
>anyway, that poster is just one very vocal guy with messiah syndrome
>he thinks silencing the ego is the solution to everything, but ironically he won't shut up and even has a distinct, almost signature writing style

he may or may not have a funny LLM AI posting for him

all while he's personally "silent like lasagna" like a real G

(edit: fixed quoting)