No.308873
>>308870So all $they have to do is convince you that something is fun and you'll act against your own interests hmm? :)
Besides the social cohesion bit, the resistance to egalitarian complacency is, I think, the most valuable attribute of religions regardless of creed. Using broad Africa as an example - if physical needs are met with negligible labor, if no outside force compels otherwise, why would someone *not* just blitz themselves out on khat, eat bananas all day and masturbate in the jungle?
By imposing arbitrary self denial and setting value outside of base desires, the individual is gently or sternly shaped into becoming more than a hairless ape far far more than any high minded philosophy can accomplish. Sure the philosophy _can_ get the individual there eventually, but at the developing mind level, or even the primitive culture level, this is not effective.
So I suppose the heart of the matter is, is it "better" to embrace standardless dissipation, or conform to useful lies?
No.308874
>>308873Church/Religion is never and will never be fun to me, my fun is my interests, I want to try at least enjoy something on this earth while i'm here. I don't see a point in believing a non-existence fake retard god who only people bring up when some coincidence happens in their life and claim "it's god!!". It's just embarrassing, humanity needs to be smarter and better than this, religion is FUCKING useless now. There's no point in believing in a lie that can only fill the void for so long.
No.308877
>>308874I think he meant its useful to organize people so they become wagecucks and let a priest fuck up them up the ass and get psychologically tortured by stupid concepts, all this makes for a better wageslave.
No.308911
>>308873>self denialthis is such a cuck concept
No.308915
>>308911and predictable responses like that, with the right jangling of keys, is how $they rule your life.
monk or monkey, you're more one or the other whether you "choose" it or not.
No.308917
>>308916If you neglect to capitalize the right Words god will personelly teleport behind you and throw you into hEll
No.308919
>>308917Nice algospeak, nice "write a better post" block avoiding
No.308920
>>308919Looks like you forgot to capitalize correctly, prepare for hEll kid
No.308926
>>308916He feedeth birds to other animals. That seems cruel.
No.308939
I simply think/pray in my mind to "the real creator" and tell him I hope he has nice plans for me because Im tired. I don't really associate it with any religion, just the powerful creator
No.309285
>>306493Most coherent argument for Nietzschean existentialism
No.309286
>>306541The writer for Star Trek? That only proves he probably believes in some stupid Rick and Morty cosmology that he promoted in his degenerate show.
No.309291
>>309290disgusting. If that were the case it would leave humanity with literally no hope. Like what are you going to do, think your way into paradise? Lol.
No.309293
>>309290christianism is one of the few religions that doesn't feel anti-human, anti-life or anti-happiness, while also being functional enough to benefit human societies. Most of its bad rep stems from the useless churches all around the world founded by pedophiles, politicians and grifters who co-opted the religion adding nonsense rules that are nowhere to be seen in the NT. Those churches were originally meant for those who couldn't read the bible but after most of the world becoming literate the priests stay there, preaching buttsex among protestants, mass migration among catholics and genocide of ukranian men among orthodox.
No.309295
>>309291>If that were the case it would leave humanity with literally no hope. Like what are you going to do, think your way into paradise?What if Yahweh's "paradise" isn't actually a place you want to be? you're not thinking very hard about this
No.309296
>>309293>christianism is one of the few religions that doesn't feel anti-human, anti-life or anti-happinessIt absolutely is all of those things.
No.309297
>>309296thanks for elaborating on your respone, your input has been very valuable.
No.309304
>>309298>can only think in terms of rick and morty and internet memesPeople like you make me believe in NPCs
No.309305
>>309297What's your opinion on gay people. Probably can't find very many gay people who think christianity is pro humanity.
No.309308
>>309304Yes, I do tend to reduce satanic religions to their least dignified form. the lego movie? A little more seductive. the matrix? Hooboy. Hall lectures? You're playing with fire at that point. Its called faith for a reason. Why would I just arbitrarily decide to believe the most beautiful personal encounter I have ever had is evil and blatantly evil stuff is good? Make it make sense. I trust Christ more than I trust my desperately wicked heart. I hope you will humble yourself as well.
No.309311
>>309309Okay have fun thinking yourself into a state of utter despair like I did before Christ threw me a line. Maybe that's what it will take.
No.309313
>>309311Christ is what made me feel despair
No.309336
>>309313You haven't felt anything close to despair (or rapture). You are just an edgy kid.
No.309339
>>309336Christians are an awful cult that teaches anyone outside of it is necessarily evil or stupid.
No.309340
>>309339not only that, we teach everyone inside it is stupid and evil as well :^)
No.309341
>>309340Yes, which is why I called christianity anti humanity.
No.309346
>>309341Its not anti-humanity. Its just Kant's critique of pure reason; it says we are to recognize an authority outside ourselves, rather than trying to understand and dominate everything with our limited intellect.
No.309348
>>306449Any dogma or perspective of life or religion are reductions or limitations of experiences of human life.
Still, i like the techniques, meditation, mysticism or exercises of religion.
And yes, maybe some philosophy, history and aesthetics and the community part.
Call it cope or opium, but still if you dont turn into a zealot or full schizo you can get the good things, even if you are a solicitude type or have zero interest in dramas or political shit.
>AlsoAll the benefits are inside you, in your body, in your mind and nerveous system and in practices and not in the religions, you dont need community but it can help a little more for things.
And yes, religion and their history or lore and dogmas is full of woo-woo and bullshit but even not all the people believe everything every time.
You can get happyness without it if you learn how to.
No.309349
>>306449I hate god for making my life shit
No.309364
>>309349How is it God's fault and not your own? You better at least have a debilitating genetic disease to be leveraging such complaints against the almighty.
No.309365
>>309364This entire planet, everything on it, is God's "fault".
No.309390
>>309365so you deny any responsibility for anything that you do?
No.309402
>>309364Every single life, even the most wonderful and happy ones, will result in murder and death, because that's how this world works. So the creator of this reality, if there is any, is to blame for all the torture and pain that happens in the universe. And I would say, he probably enjoys to see us suffer.
No.309439
>>309391>insulting someone's lack of access to sexDangerous ground you're treading.
No.309469
>>309439I more afraid of a god making some ones human experience worth and happy but others as a total subhuman shit than IT just taking the idea of sex.
>AlsoFor some people, god is just sex. And they believe that sex is just the unique path to heaven, there exist other paths to heaven and are very human and kind.
I alone, there's no god where i am.
No.309589
>>309523I personally didn't really care to post in this thread or enter into this discussion much, but I will say that the quote you've posted sums up (mostly) my thoughts on the existence and misguided worship of God.