No.55385
Hey, is this you?
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>>54747
Because I tried replying to you once here:
>>54762
Any response? Any thoughts and how to get around the irritating nature of institutions?
No.55387
>>55385Oh yeah I almost responded to that but didn't finish my message and never posted.
Ways to get institution:
1. Take provinces with it (best way if you can)
2. Knowledge sharing (I would rec this for Muscovy, find an ally with the institution that is not already giving knowledge sharing to another country - you can check if they are on their diplomacy page - this is what I've done as Bosnia)
3. Devving up (the best way if you're far from it)
4. Waiting - only good if you are in Europe and have enough development to increase spread
General tips:
1. Spawn institutions at gold provinces if you have/can obtain some. Probably you will want economic ideas to get the idea that lowers inflation, and also an admin advisor that does that. Don't let inflation get too high, at ~4-10% use adm to lower it. Economic ideas will also lower dev cost for devving up provinces so its good for devving up more institutions.
2. Take out loans or wage war for money to buy the institution as soon as you can instead of waiting for it to spread to more provinces to be cheaper.
3. Use the 'encourage advancement' state edict to increase spread if you are not devving it up but getting it from neighbours or from knowledge sharing.
4. Use the 'encourage development' state edict if you are devving up to it, to lower the cost of devving up. It adds up.
5. Once you have it, consider knowledge sharing it (in the economic diplomacy menu) to get some ducats.
6. If your getting it from neighbours, boost relations to make them friendly so it spreads faster.
7. If the research penalty is high, don't tech up at all and just focus on devving up or taking ideas.
8. If you want to impede your enemies from getting it, you can occupy or scorch earth their provinces that are gaining it to increase devastation and slow the spread. Mostly this is only useful away from Europe.
No.55409
>>55387>1. Take provinces with it (best way if you can)Even with this, the spread within any one province is only like 0.2% per month or something stupid small. Which means that if you have one province with the development, then after 50 years you'll only have like 6 provinces at most with the institution in your country, and will have to throw down like 1k to 2k ducats to actually embrace the institution…juts in time to be behind for the NEXT institution.
You can only go so far because of this. Once you blob out too much, for all intents and purposes you pretty much HAVE to…
>3. Devving up (the best way if you're far from it)This is what I always end up doing. Because the percentage of an institution is based on the total percentage of development it's in, this helps me avoid the previous issue. E.g., just to make up numbers, if I have some like 50 2-3 dev province, but around my capital are 6 50 dev provinces, then devving up gets them the institution in fairly short order, and because over half of my country "has the institution" (because institution spread is calculated based on total development that has the institution, not the number of provinces that have it), the ducat cost remains minimal.
The issue with this is that in almost every game I end up going insanely tall, and am permanently behind in tech because I end up thinking, "I HAVE to only get this tech at a -15% or -20% cost because otherwise I'm not going to have enough mp to dev up to get the institution later."
No.55421
>>55407O.k., questions:
1 - Fucking how?
2 - How long did it take until they got right-of-way through Norway or Sweden?
3 - They have twice as many troops as you, why aren't they attacking you to escape?
No.55445
>>554211. I just noticed the opportunity and took it. I think I recall hearing about this happening in a Novgorod guide before though.
2. They never did. I watched them take attrition for a few years while occupying everything
3. I just loaded the save and switched to them and attacked. They actually lost. My troops are higher quality, 110% discipline vs 105%, plus these provinces are far away, it took them a while to get there and in that time reinforcements came from Novgorod, Tver and Kazan outnumbering them. Also there's a river crossing penalty.
After teching up military I actually lowered the amount of troops there later to 8, don't know how low I could go.
I played Novgorod as aggressively as I could the beginning. Right away I declared a no casus belli war to vassalize Tver and Odoyev. Allied Poland and Kazan, attacked Muscovy with Kazan after Lithuania did too.
No.55447
If anyone has any mod ideas, I can make anything pretty easily, even graphics.
No.55448
>>55445*terrain penalty (forest), not river crossing.
No.55465
idk if it's related to this thread but how do i get good at stellaris? i always seem to get boxed into a tiny area early on. how can i be more aggressive without running out of supplies either during war or afterward when i develop my new holdings?
No.56449
Playing Cambodia, gone Hindu.
>>56438Takes me back.
No.56473
>>56458OK. Never played any of these Greek states before. I'm also doing ironman, this is my third attempt.
The thing to do as a small state is to ally big ones. I'm currently allied with Hungary, Milan and Aragon. I'll have to try to ally Austria or Poland if Hungary becomes PU'd by Austria. I'm trying to expand into Italy with Aragon's help, I'm light on transports though so my latency to Sicily is high. Maybe the Orthodox zealots I'm spawning will convert some Italian provinces for me as I switch to Ortho.
No.56479
>>56473Two wars with Naples later, some wars in the Balkans. I am safe from being annexed by the Ottomans. Serbia is my vassal. For the next hundred years I'm focusing on going up the Adriatic and conquering Venice, conquering Greece, also I want to get into Egypt so that I can later expand through the red sea and Indian ocean.
Currently I cannot expand more into Italy for fear of coalitions. I might be able to expand into Bosnia. I'm about ready for war with the Ottomans.
No.56489
>>56473>>56479Good luck, I hope you manage to kick the ottomans back into anatolia and become a major player in the balkans and southern italy
No.56507
interesting read even though I have zero interest in these games, keep it up
No.56508
Wish I wasn't a brainlet to be able to play this kind of game, but stuff like Age of Empires is already too much for me.
No.56515
>>55375Just tried playing North American natives for an achievement, how do i keep up in tech? I settled a bunch of land before euros arrived, but it took all my monarch power. Is there a trick to it other than getting institutions?
No.56540
>>56480Ended up losing war with Ottomans & going bankrupt.
Playing Switzerland for now but I will return to the Epirus game and salvage it.
>>56515>North American natives >how do i keep up in tech?Hahaha. All I can advise is to not spend much mana on techs before getting institutions. Maybe hold back on colonizing, don't know haven't played Americas except Aztecs and Mayans.
No.56551
Nice war against the Mamluks while they were at war with Timurids, didn't even take half my troops there. 5 provinces + 1900 ducats + war reps. Going to look into how to efficiently build buildings before I continue.
My mom was behind me while I was starting eu4 this morning and I forgot I had the 'Anime nylon EU4' mod that changes the loading screens. Hahaha.
-25% warscore cost against other religions (age ability) has helped a ton.
This is a good little tip on efficiently carpet sieging:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_hJ9kilMY4 No.56569
>>56567Changed it to add a little icon instead. I'll make it more stylish soon.
Also a little tip: consolidating regiments makes them stronger. hold shift when consolidating if you don't want to remove empty regiments.
No.56606
Might be able to defeat England or Castile in a war after my manpower recovers if I build a few ships for that purpose. (I would fight England to force a personal union, Castile for future coal province in Sardinia and perhaps an Iberian province to get closer to Colonialism institution.)
I may become Holy Roman Emperor in a few decades so I'm holding off on going protestant. I'll probably still go protestant during the printing press age, but when I form Two Sicilies or Italy my country will leave the HRE unless I am emperor or an elector; so I'll want to form either of those while emperor so I can become emperor again after a league war.
A useful exploit for you (not really an exploit, it's fair, they could make it not work like this if they wanted to): when you get an event like this that spawns rebels in a province, you can unpause the game and move your troops there before pressing the button that triggers them.
Day 4 of this campaign and only just past year 1500? I'll probably take a month to finish a whole game. I think the next game I start I will limit myself to playing at speed 3 the whole time, no pausing while playing. As a challenge and to get through it faster.
Approximate math for how much playing a whole game would take:
Speed 3 is about 15 seconds
4512 months (376 years) would be 76780 seconds or 18.8 hours. So about 19 hours of playing. Probably will still take several days, though I could do that in two if I play as much as I sometimes do.
No.56634
>>56633At this point victory is a matter of time. I have all their troops stuck in Crimea, and they have no manpower. It stings that Hungary occupied Constantinople after I gained and lost it. I'm taking all of their European Aegean provinces.
Should have built more transport ships, would have been useful than my 14. I built a navy that could defeat England's instead.
No.56818
I really liked reading through this thread
No.56863
I’ve had this issue in EU4 where “I don’t know what my diplomats should be doing.” Typically, I’ll just throw them on “Improve relations.” But lately, I’ve been sending them to build up covert activities so I can use "support rebels." Let me say: HOLY COW. SUPPORTING REBELS REALLY let you punch above your weight! I've basically COMPLETELY ignored as a 'bullshit mechanic that takes too much effort for no results.' But it's especially great if you’re some rando tall nation. You can break apart empires with that button. I’ve been loving it.
It actually…actually makes me like espionage ideas.
No.56867
>>56822Are you using any map mods?
No.56868
>>56867Yes, 'Fast Universalis' which I initially used to play 'Beyond Typus' with less lag. Kind of annoying that it replaces units with arrows.
No.56891
I'm thinking of buying EU4, the bargain hunter in me loves the idea of getting $400 of DLC for $20. For years I've been hearing about the obscene DLC prices of EU4. I'm really interested in history. But tbh map games like this bore the hell outta me, if I enjoyed spreadsheets this much, I could get a job as an accountant.
idk I did enjoy HOI4, basically playing in Godmode, switching between nations, watching how my scenarios played out, without doing the work of micromanaging. If there was a way I could more observe EU4 for my alt-history scenarios I might like it
No.56892
Playing the extended timeline mod right now, as Persian empire resisting the caliphate. Not easy. The first time they tried to invade I peaced them out right a way and gave them a ton of my provinces (red provinces with green stripes). It gave me a 13 year truce to build forts and roads (this mod has roads) and wage a few wars elsewhere. I'm checking the information in the ledger and think now is a good time to attack them. I have mountain forts to draw them in then to attack them with bonuses. Their troops have high discipline and about double morale, and also they have about twice as many as me.
>>56891I'm gonna make a game like EU4 but better, just wait for it. It will be more like a simulation, not of our world in particular.
No.56895
Do the Re-Reconquista
No.56897
>>56892couldn't possibly do it then so I reverted save. They wouldn't attack me though because they were 1000 ducats in debt.
It may be easier if I wait longer but I've attacked now, moving my troops more strategically and tactically than I have ever played this game. Their discipline and morale are still high but not ridiculous. I'm going to take all my cores and maybe take provinces to Antioch, cutting off their Anatolian provinces.
No.56910
>>56909>Think I should go Nestorian or stay Zoroastrian? Enforce state-mandated atheism
No.57049
>>56895Decided to try it. So far I have at least survived.
>14 years into the game>3 provinces (only 1 original)>360 ducats in debt>Morocco and Tunis are solid allies>11 year truce with Castile and PortugalI'm going to have to go bankrupt. I'm going to the new world ASAP.
No.57068
>>57049Good luck on your new world ventures.
No.57166
My Persia game so far starting as Mazandaran, only been playing like 90 minutes a day lately. (usually a war or two)
My vassals are Imereti*, Khiva, Afghanistan and Mulan.
My allies are Bengal and Austria.
*almost annexed
The feudal theocracy government of Persia has a mechanic that gives you claims on all neighbouring neutral or enemy provinces of other religions. I have just taken provinces from Vijyanagar positioned such that I can get claims on so many provinces.
I've become so powerful the coalition against me just dissolved because they have no chance against me. So I can expand even more, Qara Qoyunlu and the Ottomans are my next targets.
I just dev'd up to get printing press, so far no great powers have adopted it. I will certainly spawn world trade.
Ideas are innovative, influence and administrative, all complete. My innovativeness is 100. With all my modifiers I teched up admin as soon as I was not ahead of time for less than 300 mana. Going to try to get the Hanafi scholar for 5% adm tech cost reduction, though it's hard to get enough mysticism for it with no Shi'ite to declare war on.
My next idea group will be exploration, around the year 1560. Then I will expand around the Indian ocean and completely keep Europeans out of Asia. I'll probably take Mexico too.
>>57163cool, show whole map?
No.57167
>>57166Multan* also forgot another vassal Mewar.
No.57177
>>57176Another run cause I got into multiple wars and gave up (a war of containment from America and colonial war with France and Russia). Anyway, France is on my shitlist in this run.
Think I'll play Chile or Peru later because all the sulphur, coal, iron, precious metal provinces are on the Pacific.
No.57183
>>57166>cool, show whole map?Here you go. Europe is really clean for what it usually looks like at this stage of the game, africa is a mess like usual but doesn't look as bad as some of the nightnare fuel I've seen.
Also long alaska btw.
>>57177I'd advise you to restart because things are going rather bad. Try to keep relations high with both the USA and the UK. The latter might ally you. Focus on developing cultural techs at the beggining (don't focus too much on psychology) while sprinkling a few commerce and industry technology (medicine and business banks are particularly important on giving you an edge). And try to pass reforms so you can get more immigration.
Around mid game you try to colonize since your coasts are rather close to africa and you don't need top tier naval bases to get enough range. Start focusing around military tech and once you catch up with europe on that sector you can try to kick them out of guayana
No.57184
Just acquired my first coal province finally.
Think I'll figure out how to manually manage the economy. My country has low consciousness despite high plurality. I notice none of my pops at all have luxury goods, I think that will help.
I'm 48 points away from becoming a great power.
>>57183Rather bad?? I only had liberal party because I have Prussian constitutionalism, so I switch to it when I need money so I can raise tariffs all the way, and switch to something else when I need to build factories.
I'm allied with England now and am nearly ready to take my lost territory back, just waiting on my ironclads to be produced. I have the least navy and commerce tech, so I'm going merchant marine academia for late game. (+15% navy, +10% commerce, -10% culture, -5% army, +0% industry)
No.57188
>>57187France is real OP, it's a fucking behemoth to go face to face with. I'd recommend striking when they get into a cumbersome war with Germany.
Don't call the UK to help you immediately, they will get curbstomped like that. Fight the french by yourself initially as they are preoccupied with the germans, they will just send some 30k~ish stacks at a time, you should take care of them easily. Russians probably won't even bother. Once the warscore is ticking really well for your side, you can call the UK for help and the french AI will most likely give up at that point.
No.57191
>>57188Any ideas on good ways to get reforms?
Right now I have no taxes, and as low tariffs as I can so that pops can get luxury goods so their consciousness increases which increases their liberalism (found effects that increase liberalism in this menu).
No.57195
>>57191>Any ideas on good ways to get reforms?Drive militancy up. Keep taxes and tariffs as high as they can be. Change the ruling politcal party by yourself with no regards with what the POPs chose, this really pisses them off.
Also Chile is a democracy by default you will naturally get a lot of immigrants if you don't mess up
No.57197
>>57195Do you just let rebels takeover when you want them to?
No.57199
>>57197Yes, it is a good way to push straight through reforms or change your goverment type to something you want. Beware though it will reset your relations with all countries and puppet nations will become independent
No.57230
World domination with Transv… sorry South African Union, beating the mother country and allying with Kaiserreich.
With HoI2, Arsenal of Democracy and Darkest Hour, it's just typical Greater Finland -scenario, beating the USSR back behind the Urals after it starts the Winter War and then finishing the job with the Third Reich.
Playing with any of the 'great powers' in those three games, it's just too easy when you know how the ai reacts in certain military situations. Usually it's pretty easy with small nations too, at least the WW2 long scenario.
No.57240
>>57223Looking real beefy
No.57297
Anyone got any fun RPish ideas for EU4? Sort of thematically appropriate or just interesting goals as different countries. Not world conquest or blobby stuff since that's boring.
No.57301
>>57297Form Alaska. Only hold arctic provinces.
No.57303
>>57297Naval Russia, perhaps Novgorod
Naval horde, perhaps Korchin
Unusual/impractical colonizers; at the Venetian trade node the only new world trade nodes you can steer to Venice are Mexico, Texas and California; could be interesting to just go for those + Australia and Indonesia. Perhaps Venice, Ottomans, Mamluks.
No.57309
For newbie vic2 players I recommend playing Sweden
Pros:
- 80% literacy from the get go, fast research
- Decent starting technology, corporative industrialism
- Can form Scandinavia and has cores on Finland
- Plenty of opportunities for colonisation worldwide
- Liberal chimpout events early game allow you to pass reforms (helthcare is especially important)
Cons:
- Crappy RGOs
- Low pops
- You have to go toe to toe with Russia if you want to take Finland
No.57382
>>57303I like the Venice idea
Novgorod is pretty hard but sounds fun
Try playing somewhere you wouldn't normally play like the Great Lakes, Congo or as a native
Or just achievement hunt
No.57849
>>57848Haven't taken anything from the Ottos yet. I trounced them when Egypt called me into a war but I couldn't add war goals because our side had the status quo war goal. I've been at war with the USA for quite a while, but they're easy enough to kick out when they land. I got Spain in on it to give them pain, but the ai is so dumb they're not attacking this enclave.
Also I think I've figured out how to build more profitable factories, by checking the data in this box (mousing over daily outputs). I suppose I should have built telephone factories as soon as I could cause it seems much more profitable than anything else. I should probably build more factories using coal considering I am exporting so much coal.
I've got 3 oil provinces right now.
No.57852
>>57851The state of my empire at 1911. I just took Basra from the Ottomans when a crisis over Mosul->Iraq started a great war they will obviously lose.
I have one of the strongest navies, quite a weak army. My object now is to become a great power before the end of the game.
Some countries I have defeated:
Ottomans - Twice, once to no gain just cause they invaded my ally Egypt. Even in this last war their troops were much stronger, I had to attack with numbers
England - Russia defended my coasts well and I occupied their most populous provinces in India. This was a war to take Kashmir from Punjab.
Austria - They defended the Ottomans just now. They also contained me once early in the game
Qinghai - tons of troops
China - a great power, Russia helped
Japan - A great power, they even landed a ton of troops near Karachi. I was at war with them 2 or 3 times, always keeping enough troops near there to defend.
USA
No.57854
>>57848Oddly AI Ottos tend to conquer only one or two provinces from Egypt at a time instead of taking all the levant in one fell swoop by 1840ish like how they're supposed to. This causes their prestige to stagnate and they then go from GP to secondary power or even a stardard civilized nation in a matter of two or three decades from the start as they can't catch up with the rest of europe.
You got lucky about how Russia is helping you out. From my experience Russia usually tends to ally and sphere the Ottomans. It's pretty much game over if you're trying an expansionist playthrough with balkan countries like Bulgaria, Serbia or Greece.
No.57863
>>57852I became GP a few months later just by waiting for the great war to finish. Got the free place in the sun CB on USA so I took colonial Hawaii (midway, wake, palmyra). I had no rubber for tanks or planes so I decided to start over. Also look at this ridiculous Colombia.
Posting about my new game (I played a couple times in between) later, Persia again.
No.57949
>>57945It was enough for me to westernise. The earliest I've westernised yet. The gap between me and the Ottomans for GP8 is 15 points.
Also, where I stand in total population.
No.57951
>>57949Actually I will probably colonise more than in
>>57946Already building ironclads. Have a piece of Sokoto to colonise over there right away. I don't have nearly as many port regions as I did then though.
No.57958
>>57951I decided I take a break with a relaxed Tibet game. Pacificist at beginining, no army until recently. I had a nice industry but after getting taken out of England's sphere I can't get anything imported, can't even build any more soldiers or artillery.
Former Chinese substates attacked China, occupied and humiliated Tibet. I then built a nice army, declared independence and have been easily defending against China for about 10 years. I plan on invading Qinghai which has everything my factories need - maybe I should play as them instead.
No.58000
>>57991>>57992Where are you planning to colonize?
No.58217
>>58122I like that videogame
No.58226
>>58211Tunis doing well.
Not sure where I'll focus on expanding, Persia, Anatolia, Greece, Ruthenia, Central Asia. Same three allies, might have to turn on Timurids.
No.58258
>>58232update on becoming a great power
included is a heatmap of roughly where I plan to take provinces soon.
got the Rurikovich dynasty, hoping for a union with Muscovy
Imereti->Georgia->Russia
No.58274
>>58273year is 1528 btw, experimenting with style.
No.59595
>>59594My current situation is:
I have 4 electors ready to make me HRE emperor whenever the 30 year old Bavarian emperor dies.
I already have pretty good absolutism.
By mission tree I can get a restoration of union casus belli on Hungary* at any time. *Surrounded by yellow dashed line.
My current main allies are Russia and Bohemia. My plans for the rest of the game are to expand as shown by lines. Bright red is near future, dark red is later on.
No.61190
They should create an HOI4 sim for the Leaders in actual power IRL, and they could open tabs and see how other nations are doing, what their internal faction balances are. Gaming optimizes everything with most efficiency. To the most easy way to quickly and simply display the geopolitics of the world is in a gamer format.
No.61206
I'm playing stellaris and I've just hit a glitch that is completely game breaking. It was in the 2420s too. God I hate bugs.
No.61248
I just can't beat stellaris while playing fanatic xenophobe. It is so much harder than xenophile. Maybe the 2x tradition/tech cost and .5x habitable worlds is making it harder too, IDK, but I like it better that way. I just can't get any subjects. The game comes down to early conquest it seems. Did you come across someone weak you could subjugate in the early game? Congrats, you are guaranteed victory. If you didn't, you will probably lose. I feel cursed. All my neighbors have been hostile, no one wants to do research agreements or defensive pacts, I keep spawning near exterminating hive minds and fallen empires. If I do get a war with someone of comparable strength, by the time I pare them down to conquering size, someone else goes and subjugates them while we're at peace after a war. Federations keep forming and it's incredibly difficult to play by yourself. I'm enjoying the challenge. I'm almost winning this time, I have been fighting a federation basically all game and each time I take a few planets. I got 2nd most pops, but some hivemind next to me is trying to become the crisis and they are OP as fuck so we'll see how this goes .