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General Question: does just reading 4chan for longer than 10-15 minutes make anyone feel awful and almost as if placed into a trance state? I can browse other sites for long periods of time without any ill effects, but if I stay too long on 4chan I begin to feel decidedly sick. Why does this happen?


Yes. It's a mixture of deep and not-so deep psyop.


Boards OP is probably reading: R9K, Pol, /b/

Go to 4chan to discuss your hobbies. Depression, chimpouts, and porn are not hobbies.


Staying away from imageboards as much as possible has been a good decision for me. The constant schizo stuff is just not good for you, even if your brain has a good filter. It's the same like browsing Twitter or reddit all day, you're just hardly gonna read stuff that isn't mentally unhinged and your mind will suck it all up like a sponge. It's the same on here, there's just people who can't handle social isolation without diving into delusions at some point and there is no value in reading their schizo posts on things they don't even understand.


Yes, OP. This wiz has it right. Stop reading 4chan. In fact, I would argue against reading social media entirely. Even the most well-meaning 4channers are unhinged and irritable. There's a level of exhaustion they all feel from being unable to leave the site. Trying to discuss anything is navigating a minefield because one mistaken piece of vocabulary can set people off. It's not worth it.




Other social media sites are way more toxic.


4cha' is for normalfagd


I browse /v/ on 4chan and don't have this problem.


What gives me a headache is looking at the catalog and seeing provocative images with some engagement bait one-line question.


On fagbook you get to see geriatrics start drama over their neighbors trash bins not being APPROXIMATELY 6 inches FROM THE FUCKING CURB and other such karen nonsense


4chan is filled with smug retarded normalfags that are obsessed with females


I can't even create an account on Facebook because they want me to send in my ID and driver's license



you must have hurt their butts good, mm!! good work proud of you lol


4chan is edge lord central, everyone tries to up each other with insults or provoking content, most users are young 15-25yr and because of its reputation they seem to think they have an image to up hold to. Another theory is psyops on well frequented boards, because the site has more free speech and expression orientation agencies and shills try to control the narrative and sway community opinion. For instance, they want more division on politics instead of unity and keeping anons in the throws of mental illness and circumstance such as crabdom and NEETdom/Hikkis as well as an unhealthy view on people, culture and choices. I'll also add, there isn't much for discussion there intellectually or otherwise, repetitive talking points and basic rebuttals, not so much in depth proper discourse. Finally, I visit frequently enough but I hardly go to /b/ anymore, fuck that board I won't participate in /gif/ either, and /r9k/ is dead. Some other boards are interesting and sometimes fun but 4chan is in decline and has been for years, I know other forums have fuck all traffic so going there for chatting seems too tedious but it is what it is man you reap what you sow


>they want more division on politics instead of unity and keeping anons in the throws of mental illness and circumstance such as crabdom and NEETdom/Hikkis
wrong and even if it were true, do you know where you are?


all these outsiders here telling other what to think. 4chan ,like I said, is for normalfags.


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Yes I know this is a site for mental illness doesn't change the fact that the glowniggers want to keep you trapped in your own head. You could argue they target crabs and losers but the more men who are like this they can spin the narrative, for example, shooters or more moderation on hate/free speech, they took down crabs on reddit. 4chan is basically a porn exposure site not including blue boards of course and the mental illness of users tend to frequent red boards where it is pushed a lot


manages to be a better site than this one


I try to search for lulz but often the text is just trash comments. There are more shills than trolls these days.


I'm not denying that glowniggers incite things but often they also just look for the lowest common denominator which is the schizos with no grasp of reality and wait until they do some dumb shit. Remember that schizo LGBT dyke who shot up random Christians in Nashville because she got gassed up by her online fag community, the glowniggers most likely didn't even look into that because they don't mind if it's not crabs or neo nazis doing it.


Hmm no. /v/ is still The Place with people and culture most like me. R9k used to Be cool so I browse it Out of nostalgia and Habit. I check /Pol/ once a Day because its fun and I dont take 4chan too seriously like an idiot.


>getting filtered by 4chan


I go to /k/ to look at webms of the ukraine war sometimes but other than that I have pretty much stopped using it because it's so shit and worthless and everyone there is mentally ill in unpleasant ways.


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I hate how so many threads are provocative VERY thinly veiled rage bait posts with wording that pisses me off.

You can tell right away from the post what kind of reaction the OP is expecting.

I thought the hobby boards would be better off but my threads trying to get a serious discussion going got no replies after 5 bumps. Instead it's all just whining about zoomers, succubi, non-white people, leftists and trans and coomer content.

So many people there just love circlejerking and are not interested in different opinions or learning something new. It's just a bunch of dopamine addicts trying to get some short satisfaction from hearing what they want to hear or "BTFO" someone by posting a grotesque Wojack.


True. No better than ShitTok.


True, but where do I ask questions on the internet now? I feel like there's nothing left now. I have a better chance of getting a reply to my questions if I email a professor than if I post on a social media site.


The addiction aspect to the site is certainly tough. Meandering propaganda mazes mostly define its content, but sometimes you will come upon worthwhile information not elsewhere findable, and then the aimless searching cycle begins again.


I've ceased using the near entirety of 4chan permanently last week after somebody made a meme of me from one of my posts and some charcteristics I had talked about previously. After that I realised I had become too notorious on the board even though it was only five or six people who recognised me from my typing style. That was too much for me however and I had decided that enough was enough and that it was time to permanently stop visiting the board. I don't enjoy having my existance recognised, I'm a recluse who can only find sanctuary in obscurity. Call it an autistic overreaction but I don't care. After ten years of that place basically being my homepage of the internet I've finally grown too old for it, I felt like the only elder person in a special needs class full of retarded and delinquent children. Time to move on but I don't know where to.


there is an invisible element somehow embedded into the html code that underlies 4chan and 4channel (all boards) that induces progressive psychosis. even the users themselves openly say culty things like "you can never leave" and their brain-enslaved fellows may be seen seconding their addiction with similar statements. i have gone from spending time searching through many different websites at length, and then, with a complete diversion of my attention, ventured onto 4chan, and reliably within 15 minutes, I feel worse with a mind freshly led into daze. there are high-level psychological operations being carried out over there, and such activity is not limited to the perceptible shifting outer layer of honeypots like pol, but is woven universally through the coded fabric of the boards themselves.


Boy you can talk a lot of trash. You should be a writer.


It's called schizoposting


I agree with you wizzie. I don't think it's a mystical thing but various groups are purifying and testing methods of attention grabbing or aggravating content on 4chan. The whole site is set up to annoy you but at the same time keep you interested.


bro it's just the fast pace of the site together with the ability to post anonymously so you don't need to worry about a reputation

I keep coming back despite being disappointed every time because I can comment on a bunch of threads and then get dopamine anticipating the reply and meanwhile I can refresh the catalog and see several new threads pop up.

But for this reason the site is brainrot. It's a bunch of dopamine addicts trying to get dopamine with the least effort possible by making provocative shitposts with low effort but high engagement.


>I've finally grown too old for it, I felt like the only elder person in a special needs class full of retarded and delinquent children. Time to move on but I don't know where to.

I just wanted to say that I relate to this so well. I've felt this way for years but never figured out how to clearly describe it.
For me it felt so sudden. It was like, with no warning, one day I was this 30 year old loser surrounded by 17 year old losers who were pretending to be 25 year old losers. Suddenly I was so out of place, there was nobody like me there anymore.
As if everyone else like me got some secret memo that it was time to go home, but for whatever reason, I never got the memo, so I just kept showing up to the retard-club, not realizing I was no longer welcome there.


Just wanted to say that I know the feeling as well but towards the internet in general. 'Where to' is an important question, I struggle with it daily. Everyday I sit in front of the computer with that naive feeling I'll open wizchan and youtube and there will something interesting in there. Of course there isn't and at that moment I begin to waste away, browsing mindlessly, hoping I'll come across something to stave off boredom by complete accident.

Where to indeed. I have no idea.



I havent gone to 4chan in 7+ years but I feel the same with wizchan. I just come out of habit

it is a problem. sometimes i enjoy just watching twitch streams or using twitch to find games to play.


i think at some point your need to start creating or doing some hobby instead of consuming.


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Not him but that's the point I am at.

I used to do photography which is low effort art but I enjoyed the process a lot and posting my photos and talking about them was way more satisfying than anything else.

The big issue I'm having though is that something is fucked up with my reward system where I need instant gratification to do something and creating stuff is a very long process with very delayed reward ESPECIALLY the journey to developing the skills first.


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I also need to vent about something that bothers me with 4chan:

I think being a loner made me not just blindly follow the mainstream and question everything. So when someone voices an opinion that goes against the norm my first instinct is to hear that person out. But all intrigue is lost once I see how the posters argument. It quickly becomes clear that instead of trying to educate others they just get pleasure from imagining they are enlightened in a sea of sheep. They dump their infographics and memes without explanation and ignore tough questions and just call other people names. It's just disillusioning to be excited to broaden my horizon only to read a bunch of shitposts.


that is sadly true, every thread on the big boards is just bating(racebait and porn are widespread on blue boards too) and fishing for (you)'s.
I admit it can be fun to do while getting drunk on a Friday night but only on the fast boards that are already shit and can't be fixed.
Smaller hobby boards are alright because threads are focused on topics unlike other boards like /v/ or /pol/


I never really used it. I used infinity chan for a couple neet and hikki boards. 4chan was only ever good for gore when Best Gore went offline. They just post the same webms, not worth it. Everything else is just boring.


What do I do though? I've got a fucked up RSI. I used to draw and code a lot but now all I do is read, and it's boring.


I love your writing style. Cute schizo.


People like yourself who always use terms like dopamine addicts, are dehumanizing as hell. Please stop


Still better than this site.


>one day I was this 30 year old loser surrounded by 17 year old losers who were pretending to be 25 year old losers

I genuinely believe the blue boards on 4chan aren't attracting new users and the site is ageing. In retrospect the hysterical concern over newfags and underage was due to the fact that we were mostly underage. Now nobody really gives a shit if a zoomer wanders in.

Apparently on /o/ and some of the more hobby orientated boards, you have people bragging about having a wife and kids. Because that's what imageboard niggers do, they arrogantly brag about things. They arrogantly brag about being NEETs at the age of 19 when it's actually fun being one. They arrogantly brag about being $120,000 full stack engineers at the age of 25-30 when that becomes impressive. And then they brag about having a wife and kids at 35-40 when that's the most important thing for most men.


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IT'S NORMALITY. You can feel its eroding aura sinking deeper and deeper into thy soul.

Too much porn lets you know they want you to coom your brain away


yeah /pol/ is absolutely retarded, it's probably on par with reddit. what can I say, the need to discuss politics is a trait of the lowliest scum


Biochemical processes are part of being human. We aren't some magical beings. The way people post on 4chan is dehumanizing if anything because you are not trying to have a normal conversation.


Why are you here?


I think we could all benefit from periodic reminders of how far things have fallen.


>Is explicitly named and referenced in over a hundred major movies and TV shows by now.

>Has had hundreds of major 'news investigation' style reports done on it.
>Has had multiple documentaries made about it ("tfwnogf", "feels good man" and others).
>Is listed on most of the major porn site ranking lists.
>Is known and named by the majority of boomers, who know about it due to mainstream reporting on crabs, pizzagate, Qanon, etc.
>Is completely dominated by Youtubebuxers and other profiteering content miners who now essentially define what most people think about the site.
>Has had all its major memes appropriated by outsiders who use them to 'in group' themselves for street cred and profit ( https://youtu.be/Do7B74dyEVs ).
>Has been and continues to be the subject of academic studies all over the world, there are like actual academics who SPECIALISE in studying 4chan.
>Has been and continues to be actively monitored by multiple police and spy agencies and discussed at anti-terror summits, etc.
>Has had Passes for years which allow anyone with dodgy motives to be able to essentially spam for free, it's almost designed to encourage this. The Youtubebuxxer who used a language model to spam the board simply bought himself a pass to do so.
>Is inextricably tied up with the 'meme' cryptocurrencies and there are multiple companies that exist to 'shill memes' on 4chan to promote memecoins. This is all for selfish dishonest people to make money at the expense of others, using cultural references to ingratiate themselves and thus debasing that culture.

4chan culture is mined to death and we should probably stop referring to it altogether.


Where else can you go but /pol/ and sometimes a few other boards for uncensored discussion about important social topics, such as race issues? The succubus question? Reddit is censored to hell, twitter is not a discussion board, Faceberg is jewed, etc. An unfortunate fact of all the censorship/centralization of the internet is if you want actual truth you need to sift through the 95% shit to find a tiny nugget of wisdom on such a place.

That's why shitholes like /pol/ are addicting: the reward of filtering through constant retarded garbage to find an original perspective on taboo topics that would be censored everywhere else


>important social topics, such as race issues


>Reddit is censored to hell, twitter is not a discussion board, Faceberg is jewed, etc.

Race gets discussed all the time on all three sites, you can't exactly call for genocide but lots of discussion takes place on race. There are thousands of other sites and forums to discuss these things, also.

>the reward of filtering through constant retarded garbage to find an original perspective on taboo topics that would be censored everywhere else

I'm curious, can you give some examples of the gems of original perspective you've found? Give me an idea of what you find an original perspective that'd be banned everywhere else?


/pol/tard finds out his extreme right wing shit is reviled by anyone outside of his echochambers, how cute.
"how come i get censored for bringing up the jewish question on grandma's facebook page waaaaaaah!"


Fucking polbrats have the race thing so imprinted in their brains that they can't have a thought without making it about race, can't speak a sentence without the word "race" in it, and want the whole world to take oh so seriously the one subject their screen-fried brains are capable of processing.
Any one brings the subject of race, you know the disease.


You think 4chan isn't censored? The censorship is just soft censorship in the form of bots actively derailing discussion, bait threads, hostile shitposters etc. You can't discuss anything on 4chan.


How do moderators on 4chins delete wrongthink posts so quickly? They must have whole teams of janitors that scour the different boards day and night for anything that could faintly resemble a violation of their rules or hint at the existence of information that is not supposed to be for public consumption. The control that these freaks have and seek to maintain even in self-proclaimed 'politically incorrect' web-spaces like 4chan is seriously insane.


twitter is the female version of 4chan


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How do we create an alternative to 4chan?

I want a board where people are kind to each other and the discussion is high quality and I would probably ban any politics talk.

But how would I police the post quality while maintaining the casual imageboard atmosphere and without fights breaking out over if a certain post reached the quality threshold or not.

I've observed it in other boards. They had high standards but once these were relaxed to make the board more active, low-quality posts started flooding in. It's a delicate balance.


The trouble is that the Internet is too fucking centralized now. There used to be loads of forums with active users, and personal websites with loads of hits. You could have a discussion literally anywhere.

Now if you don't fit in on a dozen or so popular sites it's like you've been kicked off the Internet.


twitter is everything bad about every site in one convenient location.


imageboards are inherently low quality, that's what makes them fun. you can write a long post about hegel or you could post some retarded oneliner and it doesn't really matter cuz it will disappear soon anyway.

>I want a board where people are kind to each other and the discussion is high quality and I would probably ban any politics talk.

that's called a subreddit or regular phpbb forum.


There's a board called /kind/ that's forced niceness.


>that's called a subreddit
Waht? Genuinely waht? No politics is reddit? Being kind is reddit? Are you from a looney-toons opposite world?


Abstention from 4chan = clearer, less anxious mind.


perhaps it's just too much information all at once?


most subreddits have gay rules about being nice and no politics/sex/religion etc. any controversial discussion gets shut down cuz people get too worked up and you can't have that.

>yeah but i want le imageboard culture but no one can call me a faggot or talk about their true beliefs

i repeat: that's called REDDIT.COM and you should go there lmao


Kind of weird that reddit pulled ahead of 4chan in which media site I use more often. It's just better by nearly every metric.


Yeah, I made a post about it in another thread. I feel absolutely terrible after browsing 4chan for a while, it doesn't happen here or in any other imageboard, just 4chan. There's something weird going on there.


I might just be over the internet in general. Maybe I am too self-important, attention hungry and egoistic but I can't stand people making throwaway posts. I look at this thread for example where 70% of the posts have no reply and it makes me sick. It makes me feel like I am not talking to people and it makes me feel lonely. I used to be fine with having no irl social interaction because the internet was a good substitute but now it doesn't satisfy this need anymore.


lol says the faggot who hangs out on a website where it's prohibited to talk about something everyone loves


Why craft a smart post if you won't get any response 90% of the time? or if you get a response it's from someone without a frontal lobe?

Here's the thing I realized recently. You really can't ignore bad posts or bad content. People tell you to do it. "Oh just hide it/report it" but human beings *avoid* things which annoy them, not ignore. You can see this from all the people who now have their phones on silent. We don't ignore spam calls, we just avoid them.

Shitty, low-effort or inflammatory content will drive off everyone eventually, regardless of if there's still some good stuff around. Your mind can't filter everything. Even if it could, it takes mental effort to do so , so you're going to unconsciously avoid these sites.


Any accurate guesses what that something might be?


Never spent much time on 4chan but I find the shit posting here to be much more enjoyable as someone who likes to passively lurk.


>Shitty, low-effort or inflammatory content will drive off everyone eventually

That's what makes me so angry about 4chan. There are elitist spaces where people are very critical which elevates the quality of content as everyone tries to meet the high standards and the people judging you actually have some skills to back up their elitism. On 4chan you have a bunch of idiots who will be negative no matter what and it's not justified or earned as the quality of posts is really low.

also this really pisses me off about that place

I'm not that guy but for me reading the same predictable catchphrases wears me down mentally. Also I REALLY REALLY hate these ugly "soyjack" images people love to post there. They are grotesque.

I feel especially affected by this since I have no real life social spaces to escape to. The internet is all I have unlike these people who shitpost on their phone while in their school class.


4chan is fine. You have to make questions about interesting topics and you will get a wiz replying to you and helping you


>I REALLY REALLY hate these ugly "soyjack" images people love to post there. They are grotesque.
you'd think they would have moved on by now, these have unfortunately become mainstream on social media


agree, 4chan works fine for me. People actually discuss things you just need to know how to make a thread


I read on 4chan that succubi have far a greater capacity to enjoy sex 10 times more than men orgasms last longer that if you put your penis inside a succubus who is drunk and horny you will see the stars and go back to the past and the future and have revelations about life


What else is there? Good subreddits are too slow and discords are too cliquey.


Personally, i just drop in here for a while and then i'll leave for a month or two until the urge comes back. Maybe it's an age thing but i'm almost with online socialising and lurking. It's pretty much all garbage anyway.


>Also I REALLY REALLY hate these ugly "soyjack" images people love to post there. They are grotesque.

i love them. it reminds libtards how fat and ugly they are. just get it shape and reject globohomo and it won't bother you anymore


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You're either a bad "ironic" falseflag or you are seriously 16 years old and brown. Please take a break from Ben Shapiro and Nick Fuentes videos.


Not a key site….


frenschan has good discussion without the informational clutter of 4chan.


most generic altchan yet


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>someone makes a thread for posting your favorite art
>post mine with an explanation on what I like about the technique, composition and colors and how it relates to me emotionally
>excited to read what others post and maybe have some discussions and discover new artists
>people just dump images without saying anything

How can there be nothing to say about your favorite art? This posting style drives me wild. Where do people actually discuss stuff online? It's not plebbit.


I can't remember the last time I saw anything in social media that brought me positive emotions really, maybe many years ago here finding the occasional person I could relate to. I read it and consume it, there's entertainment, but there's nothing out there that makes me glad I engaged with it really.


I guess it depends on why you use it and what boards you go on.

These days I mainly use 4chan as a sounding board for very particular usually technical questions, to give asked for advice, for writing promps and a place to write very short very shit stories, and most of all for porn. So the only time it makes me feel bad is when a good porn thread gets spammed with gay-op bullshit.


>most of all for porn

Seriously?, what boards? Because /gif/ is pure trannies, gays and disgusting fetishes. There is like 2 or 3 good threads in that board, the rest is shit.


what does that mean ?


I use filters for /gif/, but mainly /aco/, /s/, a little /b/ since it's practically a porn board at this point, a few threads on /d/ and /trash/, and a few threads on /h/.
I do go on /gif/ sometimes but less for porn now days since as you pointed out, the weird spam of shit I ain't interested in has gotten out of hand. rekt threads and fight threads are still fun on /gif/ when it isn't full of race bait.


The quality of the porn on /gif/ took a steep nosedive the same time the rest of the site did when the neonazis showed up


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>His main problem with Nazis is that they don't post racebait and gay twink porn


I don't think the neonazis are the ones posting trannie and other garbage on /gif/.


the leader of the Nazis, Nick Fuentes admits he likes trans porn, so he can prove that all succubi have rape fantasies


No Nazi, Neonazi, traditionalist, fascist, racist, or even White person regards Nick Feuntes as anything but another queer who shouldn't be allowed to own a microphone.


reconquista harder faget


>when the neonazis showed up
So, around 2009?


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This is what I hate about you people. Many lies were made up about Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, lies that would make him seem evil to anyone who isn't evil themselves. Hitler did nothing wrong because its not true, but you fags actually believe its true, and think Hitler did nothing wrong regardless. You love Hitler because you think he wanted to kill people for being Jewish. You love Hitler because you think he hated people based on their sexuality. You love Hitler because you think he used anaphora to strengthen his prose. I love Hitler because I know he did none of those things.


i avoid gore and edgy websites. it just leaves a bad taste to the brain

as a kid and a teen, 4chan was great for that stuff, but i would rather not subject myself to it. even movies are too violent for my tastes now. i get why old boomers complained about violent videogames. it's everywhere now


Is my post >>306056 the one you meant to reply to? Because nothing in it should provoke such a response. Thou I'll entertain your seemingly directionless claims and say that I do in fact acknowledge, and appreciate, that Hitler was not a genocidal freak who wanted to conquer the world. I'm well aware that he simply wanted to create a peaceful Europe where White people could prosper and in order to achieve that he'd first have to deport those who religiously pursued otherwise, and then liberate the parts of Europe already under foreign occupation. There were no death camps, there were no slaughtered civilians, and there were no bombed cities… Until the Bolsheviks pushed through with slave soldiers and burned Germany to a crisp, raping and abducting Germans as they pleased.


you're fucked in the head my man


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Is anyone else getting banned a lot lately on 4chan?

I keep getting 2 days bans over the slightest things. Like, I make a legit thread on /v/ asking for the name of a game and I get banned for making an "off-topic post" or I make a post in /pol/ and I get banned for "shitposting", like seriously? shitposting on /pol/? 80% of posts there are shitposts and the rest are bots and glowies.

Even fucking reddit has less power-tripping mods. That place has really become a worse shithole than it already was.
Can't wait until it finally gets taken down.


implicit soyjak post


Something is very strange on /pol/
You can shitpost and support mass shooters and advocate murder/genocide and be fine.
But make a thread concerning the blackpill or crab matters and threads get deleted and bans are handed out. On the politically incorrect board. It's weird how a politically incorrect topic that impacts a sizeable number of the userbase is effectively a banned topic.


>make a thread concerning the blackpill or crab matters and threads get deleted and bans are handed out
No shit. "Crab and blackpill" isn't allowed on /pol/ just as MLP and Pro-LGBTQ+ aren't allowed outside of their containment boards. You have /r9k/ to whine about not getting sex due to some human conspiracy or demiurgic being keeping your dicks dry.


/pol/ must have been infiltrated by wizchan mods


>MLP and Pro-LGBTQ+ aren't allowed outside of their containment boards.
What? The latter is one most 4chan boards these days.


I thought that this was a SomethingAwful thread at first and Google'd Kyanka and found out he committed suicide back in 2021.

Man have I fallen out of the loop.


can't defame the son in law of the Messiah


I find the entire internet to be a slurry of pure shit. Been online for 24 years and found great escape at the start when I was a teenager, now it is constantly disappointing and degenerating the human spirit. The whole thing will make you feel awful soon


The internet has become that no doubt.
Sometimes I suspect it be a demon, or controlled by demonic entities, which you could also call silicon valley I guess.
It is sad that we can see thatbut still be unable to take our eyes off the stupid screen.


at worst 10-15 minutes of reading 4chan might just make me feel bored with all the shilling and low effort shit posting. Occasionally during a happening or something like an oppenheimer thread might be entertaining, but usually they just end up going back to talking about normalfag stuff. I think only playing GTA4 made me feel awful, but not much different from spending all day doing unproductive activities.


>Sometimes I suspect it be a demon, or controlled by demonic entities, which you could also call silicon valley I guess.



most sites i visit are written by my split personalities while im sleeping


If it's any consolation, 4chan kind of seems like it's dying. Images have been loading like molasses, sometimes taking several minutes to load one image. The site has lost key investors due to public scrutiny and it is probably getting raped by high interest rates.


I think the internet causes a person's problem-solving abilities to atrophy. It becomes impossible to envision what other things you could be doing with your time. It erodes the imagination completely.


thats true my first instinct at any obstacle is to make a thread about it since there are 0 barriers and consequences unlike on forums where you would get banned if you made too many threads


4chan died a long time ago. It's being kept artificially alive.


isnt 4chan run by google?


I sadly am this way aswell. My car broke down a few days ago, and I made a thread about it on 4ch's /o/. No help. I called my father and he told me to jumpstart it, and told me how to.


I just got a month ban from 4chan for absolutely no reason, the mods are losing their marbles

I might use it as an opportunity to quit the site for good, it's always been a waste of time but it's not a funny or creative place anymore


>for absolutely no reason
yeah right


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I got a permaban last year over posting a picture of the actress Isabella Sermon. They deleted the picture shortly after. Reason? "pedo"

It only makes my penis harder.


You can literally create your own imageboard. Stop being lazy and create a text or imageboard of your own.

Just ask GPT\Perplexity:

"Please give me detailed, simple instructions for creating my own imageboard\textboard."

GPT-4 will give you highly detailed instructions, it can explain any concept your don't understand, it can even code for you. You can even have it take you through the process step by step.

Now, if you're REALLY unable to do this, find an imageboard that you like and contribute to it in meaningful ways, create nice threads, share good ideas, help other people, or contact the admins for ways to improve the site. If you find interesting people online, contact them and ask them to post once or twice on the board and give it a try. If it's a nice culture they might stick around a bit.

No culture is forever, everything is in a constant state of birth, growth, flourishing, decay, death, etc. Focus on the growing part.

GPT-4 can code practically anything for you, even a non-coder can produce things with a bit of trial and error. We could be experiencing a renaissance of online culture right now assisted by these LLMs. Instead people are sitting back and letting them devour us.

Forget 4chan and build your own culture.


>Just ask AshkanazAI to…
Stop. It doesn't work. Stop suggesting it for every practical problem you paid shill.


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I'm not a fan of ChatGPT or centralised power like that at all, I'm recommending we exploit it to benefit and empower ourselves against those forces.

It's already possible to have these LLMs do a reasonable enough "rating" on the quality of comments on imageboards, it wouldn't take much effort at all for Wizchan to implement a system where if "combativeness" or "disruptiveness" levels in a comment were detected to be very high, the user could be notified that they have to revise their comment. OR the comment could be allowed, but the rating could be displayed in the comment for other users to know what comments to gloss over, which comments are attempts to disrupt.

It would be easy to implement this with GPT right now, but with more effort a locally installed agent like Llama2 could be used to create a solution that wouldn't require submitting the comment off-site.

It would greatly elevate the level of discourse, without necessarily censoring anyone.


This AIshit will be the final nail in the coffin of oldschool anonimity. I hope you all get AIDS and suck Musks cock.


That's pretty much reddit, but instead of people downvoting directly, they train the AI on what to downvote.


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The system I'm proposing isn't anything like reddit. Other than on /b/, most of the other boards on 4chan had their own rules, r9k had the robot that filtered speech and images.

The owners of an imageboard can use the system to FILTER the absolute worst, trashiest comments that don't add anything of value to the debate. That's no different than Wizchan having its 'Global Rules' which already includes a rule like "Do not submit low quality, inflammatory or off-topic posts."

It can also be used simply to present information to other users about the LLM's assessment of various dimensions to the comment. This is not the same as people voting up or down comments, as it wouldn't necessarily affect visibility of comments or where they appear. This thread would exist exactly as it does now, but perhaps to the left of the post number you might have a clickable\expandable element "Comment Rating", or perhaps in some cases where one factor was particularly pronounced, you could have something more prominent, for example your comment >>307727 could be labelled "This comment has appeals to belongingness".

Or, as I've already said, the user could simply be warned of that before posting, the moment you hit submit, your comment could have read "Warning: our system has rated your comment as moderately appealing to belongingness, please re-consider what you're posting", and you could perhaps edit it again before posting it for real. Maybe you would ignore it, but for others who are more considerate they might hold back and reconsider and change up their argument a bit. Up to the owners.

Seriously, in response to my comment, whether you agree or disagree with me, does this comment:

>Stop suggesting it for every practical problem you paid shill.

Really add that much to the conversation? Is it constructive or is it combative and utterly stupid? The LLM wouldn't necessarily be banning IDEAS or ARGUMENTS from being expressed, the author of this comment could have easily put foward a coherent argument for why they suspect I'm somehow in the employ of OpenAI or whatever.

The LLM could rate comments on a variety of factors. Here are some that I think are important:

-Belongingness (don't post Pepes\Wojaks, don't say "Cope", don't accuse others of being reddit or reduce their arguments to Belongingness: Refrain from posting Pepes/Wojaks, using phrases like "Cope", or accusing others of being from Reddit, as well as avoiding reducing arguments to a Reddit vs. imageboard narrative to foster a sense of "us" vs "them." Such behaviors contribute to an unproductive form of groupthink.

Spookiness (Think Max Stirner): Avoid leaning on highly ideological notions such as nationalism or an imagined "duty" to defend a particular race. These ideas are unbeneficial and divert from rational discourse.

Performativity: Encourage authentic expressions and genuine communication rather than conforming to certain personas or engaging in pretenses to fit in. This aligns closely with promoting a sense of belonging based on genuine interaction.

Direction Brainedness: Discourage divisive arguments characterized by labeling others with politically charged terms or promoting binary perspectives on issues.

Hostility & Aggression Rating: It's self-evident why reducing hostility and aggression is essential for constructive discussions.

Gender Indicating: While platforms like Wizchan already have rules against gender indication, it's crucial to remain vigilant against subtler attempts that may occur.

Logical Fallacy: Promote awareness of logical fallacies to help posters strengthen their arguments before posting.

Physiognomic Stereotype: Avoid calling people 'nu-male' 'beta', etc.

Gentlemanliness: Encourage respectful and courteous interaction as a means to foster a positive community environment.

Reaction Amplification: Discourage the habit of reposting content from mainstream media or social platforms and instead promote original discussions exploring issues and ideas in their own context. This helps avoid the domination of pop culture, news cycles, and e-celebrities on imageboards.

Sexualization: Limit sexualization to appropriate contexts to maintain the focus on substantial discussions.

Cuck Posting: (Self-explanatory)

Doomposting: Although subject to interpretation, it's essential to manage doomposting to prevent an overly negative and low-energy atmosphere, except in certain contexts where it's relevant.

Linguistic Quality: Encourage well-articulated posts to enhance the overall quality of discussions.

Now only a few of these are things you'd actually want to use as a basis to block a user from posting. Primarily Hostility & Aggression, Sexualisation (in the wrong places), Gender Indicating. The rest though could be used to help posters improve their posts, or help readers avoid wasting their time or instantly pick flamers\trolls\shitty people to ignore. Many may simply ignore these guides, but they could be helpful for those who want them, and might elevate the quality of conversation.

It can be automated so you post a comment, and it would take only a second or two if using a faster model.


Yeah, that's reddit, but may be even worse. Posts there are filtered through a predictable hivemind, you are just proposing doing that through an AI. Filtering posts through format is miles away from having rules about the content. Also, "belongingness" is part of wizchan, and even so you are setting criteria on what belongs and what doesn't, just using your own personal criteria as its basis.

>Really add that much to the conversation?

It does make its point. It's direct and followed by a vocative, but there's nothing wrong with that. It was even the basis on which you posted your own idea.


Using an insult is less combative and aggressive than trying to undermine local culture. Still, nothing wrong with being aggressive. I hope that at least you aware that, had a similar system been implemented here, your posts would be more likely to be filtered than mine, and probably even than his.

>Doomposting: Although subject to interpretation

All of them are, really, and the classical wizard userbase would interpret mostly against you.

>Linguistic Quality

Well, that might filter Indians and Brazilians, so you may have a point about everything.


> Posts there are filtered through a predictable hivemind, you are just proposing doing that through an AI.
No, the site owners determine everything. Already, the owners of Wizchan can and would delete (or ban someone for) some limited comments under some conditions. If someone today posts a comment bragging about having a girlfriend and having amazing sex and claiming that Wizards are losers, I imagine the comment would be removed OR the user would be banned, correct? So the owners can use the AI for better 'filtering' in that sense, I'm not proposing increased censorship, the owners of an imageboard determine what's acceptible, what the minimal bar is, and in some instances a high degree of combativeness\hostility\aggression might not be tolerated. AI does the filtering or even pre-filters for a human reviewer to consider. It would also be handy for filtering things the owners wouldn't want on the site for legal liability reasons, like people threatening violence or posting links to CP or something.

>It does make its point…

This comment just throws out a lame accusation of me being a shill (meme behaviour from /pol/) without even giving any specific argument or reasoning. It's essentially worthless. Should it be "hidden" or "deleted"? I wouldn't miss it, but we don't need that, if we had the LLM system trained, it could be rated a certain way, and I could personally gloss over it based on its rating, which saves me time and effort, and keeps discussion productive and meaningful.

>All of them are, really, and the classical wizard userbase would interpret mostly against you.

This list is meant as a suggestion of ways to rate comments on imageboards in general, so not limited to Wizchan. Obviously these suggested ratings don't need to be applied all the time on every site or every board. Also, the ratings are again NOT meant to censor anything, its just meant to passively encourage higher quality posting.

Again let me emphasise - this isn't about censorship, it's about CONSCIOUSNESS. Like tapping ourselves on the shoulder every now and then to remind us to "elevate the conversation". Most of what we write here is going to end up feeding SOMEONE'S LLM because I don't think there's any way to prevent that, there are people chewing up conversational data all over the internet. We're going to face more issues as malicious actors could use LLM's to essentially "spam" sites like this with completely fake content. In theory RIGHT NOW it would be possible for me to start posting as multiple personas on here and build up entire fake threads of fake posters and so on. Probably nobody right now will go to the effort, but if we don't work on improving the quality of discussion and welcoming as many real Wizards as possible, we'll find ourselves disconnected and alone.


I guess I made my point. His post might be rated a certain way, so might yours. Didn't work for Strasser, didn't work for Trotsky.


There are hostile actors who will harass your chan out of spite if it ever gets popular. DDOSers, CP spammers, and insane individuals who, when slighted in any way, target you out of an obsession.


I feel my mind is clearer when I don't go there. I feel healthier. But it is like a strange addiction; and I think many of the posters there are addicted to the site in a way that would qualify for clinical addiction.


This is exactly how I feel as a regular 4chan user. I hate that place but I'm addicted


Soyj*ks are such abominations and It’s bizarre how they’re drawn so uglier now. Not only they’re intrusive and are spam but people started using them as a way to spread hate to one another with suicide messages and other gruesome shit.


Only newfags continually repeat this to pretend that they're part of the oldfags. You don't even know why wojaks and pepe frogs are abhorrent in their current form because you have no real roots to old internet culture, just contrarianism.


It’s the only place I can be myself. I mean I can socialize and joke and banter for a bit. Even if ppl in 4chan are aweful.


Seems like a metaphor for 2 loser crab friends, but Pepe got all political and sadistic, and spends all his time looking down on Wojack, even though really they are both in the same boat.


Pepe went down the NJF rabbithole and started hating niggers and kikes. Wojak gave up on it all and found happiness in his hobbies and living his own life, sometimes crying from >tfwnogf but a much more developed and nuanced humanbeing./


Pepe= Nietzsche
Wojak= Schopenhauer

Schopenhauer was even born in Danzig, Polish Commonwealth 1788, he's a Wojak


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So Pepe hates soyjak so much because wojak found happiness in escapist consooming, while pepe continues to be relentlessly pounded by the hell of reality despite his smug smirk which soon turned into clownish insanity. both found ways to move on from their Feels Bad Man phase.


>relentlessly pounded by the hell of reality

How else does coal become GEMS? Shine on, Aryan Kings..


Every time I see a wojack or a pepe posted anywhere now this is the sort of person I see on the other side.


too many things happening the same time and always has something new. You, just like me, are used to slow IBs or just forums in general since 4chan is basically a chatbox with many posts per second. That said, I'd to include the glowies doing psyops which drains your energy


Found the zoomer newfag, probably a tranny too.

So much of a newfag that you don't ask why 4chan, or any imageboard, haven't produced any new memes for the last 10+ years and have instead rehashed wojak and pepe over and over and over. Hell they're not even memes anymore.


4chan is not what it used to be. Last night I trolled for fun and got like 20 (you) with just one post and just doing that I derailed one /v/ general thread and started a war. It was a good shitpost that butthurt too many fags.


>4chan is not what it used to be.
That's been the case for a decade. There's been a mass moderation change across ALL imageboards ever since then around 2012-2014.


lol you're posting that on a website that serves as the ultimate echo chamber where people get banned for no reason just because the oppressive mods get butthurt. you're bragging about that on wizchan of all places? hilarious


Back then they will ignore unrelated posts and obvious baits. Normalfags aren't good at playing the chans
> you're posting that on a website that serves as the ultimate echo chamber where people get banned for no reason just because the oppressive mods get butthurt.
and that website is…?


>and that website is…?
This one, numbnuts.


Be careful man.


You're posting on thin ice, mister.


I dindu nuffin


Pepe is Socrates, Nietzsche was also a wojack and a weakling.


Nietzsche often evoked an image of a star, no doubt identifying himself with this celestial body. Studying his Arbeitskurve, I have observed that he usually wrote no more than two books per year, often just one. In his last productive year of 1888, however, he "emitted" at least five books, shorter but of high energy. In physics, such high emission of energy is held to occur when the nucleus of the atom is unstable and "the centre cannot hold".

Cosmologists maintain that the dying stars shine the brightest, and perhaps Nietzsche was no exception.


Spent a few hours reading 4chan and realised that my mood has worsened considerably since doing so. What is the answer to this question?


I can't help but cringe when I read anything on 4chan. I just hate their mannerisms and opinions in general.



i also feel this. i can't help but wonder if this a reflection of how fucked up in the head people are. it could also be just an algorithmic theater. programs talking to each other trying to convince me they are actual people. i could be a fish they are fishing for in their quest for data.


The "Politics Thread #84: Forbidden Philosophy" is bump locked.


Are you aware of the type of people that post there and in imageboards in general?

Once you are aware of that you understand why those places are like that.


> it could also be just an algorithmic theater. programs talking to each other trying to convince me they are actual people. i could be a fish they are fishing for in their quest for data.

There is definitely some of this going on. There are the same threads being made over and over again on repeat on literally every board and have been for years. There were extremely fishy patterns of posting going on back during the pizzagate/16 election. You could literally tell which threads were being constantly bumped and promoted. It seems to have gotten somewhat more subtle but there is still a lot of content out there designed to demoralize people and condition them to think and act a certain way.

People with money and power have access to certain capital which allows propaganda to be spread. If you think about it, the most likely place for it first to appear is somewhere like 4chan where there are no accounts so people can't track who is posting what. It makes it the literal easiest way to disseminate propaganda without being seen. You don't need to build up a bunch of accounts and have them pretend to be real people for a while before you start shilling, you can just start shilling right out of the gate and no one will ever catch on. The people there aren't just that crazy for no reason, like it's all just a big coincidence, they are being actively psyoped, that much is for sure.


this is what internet induced schizophrenia looks like


thinking that the wealthy wouldn't use every tool at their disposal to increase their wealth and power is what is schizo. If the technology exists, someone is using it, why wouldn't they? Ask yourself that. Why wouldn't they? If you have a convincing reason, I'd love to hear it.


I'm not sure what's there to actually READ??
I only browse there for some WebMs. The posts are absolute garbage.



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When you non stop swallow woke goyslop from reddit safe spaces, it can be like staying for too long in the dark. Sunlight screws you up quickly


No more funny greentexts there. r/4chan is much better for having a laughter, given the case


I forgot about this thread. 4chan is a dark place; in moderation I think the effects are less poisonous. Also I agree with >>303302 as the users there really do enforce their own obsession with the website when they tell others inquiring how to leave that such a thing is impossible.


I think Project Bluebeam (fake alien invasion) may be coming up. I've been reading threads on 4chan detailing "alien disclosure" yet strangely there is little discussion in those threads anent Bluebeam. Do not believe anything you see on the TV networks, wizards. This will be like "covid" – a total psychological operation that furthers the judeo-masonic control system. The vaccine may have something to do with neurologically enabling the illusion of an alien invasion. I hope none of you took that poison. Remember they can use the "threat" of an alien invasion as a way to hold the population in a perpetual state of martial law, even bombing whole cities and blaming it on the "aliens" as a way to keep the population continually terrorized. Nothing should be ruled out here as (((they))) just tyrannized the entire world for four years under the enforced illusion of a fake plague…and the striking majority of humanity went along with it all without the least resistance or dissenting thought.


they did move on. variants used by the mainstream are considered bad taste by the real soy community, which, in turn, uses the cutting edge slopjaks that cannot be appropriated by normalGODS because of their grotesquely offensive form.


It's trannies and attention whores. They tend to have that effect


I can feel 4chan's influence on my everyday life and it's been years at this point.
Don't get me wrong, there are some pretty obvious things in this world that I just never noticed or even knew about, due to lack of socialization in my formative years and 4chan showed me the dirt part of this life, but drawbacks of that were not worth it.
I feel 0 connection culturally with 95% of people around me and my chain of thoughts over the years has become a lot more vice and poisonous, which ruined a lot of my family and friends relationships.
Like the anons above mentioned, the right way to use imageboards is as a forum for narrow hobbies or maybe learning. For memes or a regular chitchat it is a sewage.


4chan is mostly a microcosm of American thoughts shaped by American modern culture.

Most of the users are very, very mentally ill as evidenced by their posts. Their brains ruined since they were toddlers.
You would be unhealthy if you didn't feel physically ill in that asylum after half an hour of reading.


I just wish I could have a normal page on Facebook and talk with my relatives and classmates without feeling like a soyjack memelord normie.


4chan has become a psyop site full of bots and glowies from different intelligence agencies from all over the world. Most of the post you find there aren't even made by humans and the bots are trained to be annoying and hostile to drain your metal health as much as possible.


darkness everywhere…even on fourchins it is just a feeling of darkness. the world was not like this in 2007 (for example). I am despairing.


Things are different. The sky does not have its usual yellow warmth anymore. The experienced fabric of the world also feels less real.


i think OP is a fagot, if you know how to use 4chan you will realise you use it in 2 ways:
1. posting mode
if you want to be part of a disscusin to get the (you)s, you have to go to the catalog and look at 2 things: the title and image, if they are good quality, you enter the thread. then you have to look at how long the tread is, and calculate how long you think the thread will stay up. and look at the post(look fast trhought the post, do not read theme), if the post are thick and other things, that seems like a good thread. then go and talk in the tread. or if it is a image generating thread, just look at it, and judge if it is a good place to post. and then post.
2. lurk mode
if you are just lurking and just want to see good opinion, then you go to the FUCKING archive and use the search function there.

like, it is obious. op is a newfagot and dose not now shit. i hate 3rd worlders so much. plz kill your selfe.


yes, shilling has allways existed. nothing new. the "boomer monster drink", was 100% obious shill from jew company. the 3 r in monster drink if hebrew letter for 6, so it is 666. so we know… that monster drink company is shilling on 4chan. and monster drink company is associated with hebrew speaking people. of shit! i think i have found a offical connection here guys…

and yes, shilling was a thing on internet forums, all the way back to the 90s on e-mails, were people were pretending to be inocent and did not know anything and you should do X.


Lol, peak schizo theory, most likely is just full of shit posting dudes, love those schizo theory


there exist 4chan gpt that made like 25% of all board on /pol/ and people have been talking about shillbot program and you can look in archive that shill. like fagot, kill u selfe


>schizo theory
pol is a mess with hundreds of copy pasted threads that are twitter screencaps or e-celeb gossip or obvious automated baits, full of low iq replies, fetish and porn spammers, and a lot of shills and fags, among them some agents, of course. There is nothing schizo about it.

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