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Discuss the various buddhist traditions, practice, monasticism, meditation. Theravada is the best lineage for wizards.


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Buddhism is a defeatist ideology, one of universal "giving up". The strive to "break free" from the cycle of life is one of learned helplessness purported by chronic nihilists that defend their continued existence as them staying to "enlighten" impressionable youths in to living life as a bug.


There is no arguing against Buddhism, it's sound, craving causes pain and holding onto cravings is retarded



>craving causes pain
No, desire creates drive, a reason to endure and become stronger. Feeling pain over unfulfilled desires is, again, a learned behavior. A cruel joke passed down through generations.
>holding onto cravings is retarded
"Holding on to cravings" is the mental equivalent of holding on to dumbbells. By keeping your desires on your mind and learning to strive for them more, one keeps this "resistance" to contentedness weighing down on him, to strengthen resolve and build the knowledge needed to achieve what is desired.

Buddhism was devised by those who 'had' as a means to discourage those ho 'hadn't' from 'wanting' what they didn't have. A mass-scale demoralization campaign to keep the general population is a state of insect-like "Live, work, die. Live and let live." morality in which only the controlling classes may reap the comforts of civilization. You and other Buddhists have been conditioned to think like:
>"I want thing, but getting thing would require some thinking and planning, but thinking and planning is bad! Bad slave, bad! So slave will NOT want thing! Boo thing!"
And in accordance with the greater plan of buddhism, you're now spreading this disgraceful attitude to other young men who may be experiencing a bit of hardship. "Just stop caring" is a good solution to modern, manufactured problems, but when you begin to suggest that as a coping mechanism for unfulfilled dreams and material sources of pleasure which aren't even beyond reach, all you're doing is setting men up for a lifetime of regrets over missed opportunities to become the best him that he could be.

Damage control! Trusting what NEW BUDDHIST has to say in defense of ORIGINAL BUDDHIST is like listening to a college-aged succubi's defense of 20th century communism.

You are both criminal invaders.


>Damage control! Trusting what NEW BUDDHIST has to say in defense of ORIGINAL BUDDHIST is like listening to a college-aged succubi's defense of 20th century communism.
The Middle Way refutes both nihilism and immortalism. Crack open a book before humiliating yourself


I was interested enough to start reading about buddhism, but I lost interest when I realized it doesn't go with me. Frankly, I would like to pick up on it again later, for now, here are my two main contention points:
>buddhism is a doctrine of salvation
I don't believe in salvation. What does that even mean, anyway? Salvation from suffering? It would be better not to suffer in the first place, and suffering comes from unmet expectations. Buddhist got the right idea in this regard, but expects some form of eternal bliss to come in an afterlife, and so the practicant is perpetually expecting to be "saved." 2/10
>buddhists consider the world of the senses to be the source of all suffering, and so in their meditation they close themselves from all senses to seek a superior reality.
The truly wise would not shut himself offthe world, for it is a gift. One ought to look in the world for the reality that trascends this world, and for the gift of life and beauty that nature bestows. To do otherwise is to follow the philosophy of the deceased, who no longer participate in this world.


>The Middle Way refutes nihilism
But do Buddhists refute nihilism? No, they don't, because nihilism is too easy a path to follow, and Buddhism ultimately teaches to avoid struggle in any sense. And the annihilationism discouraged in the teachings is one of global scale; an anti-war sentiment. "Conquer not, but be conquered". Self-annihilation, a "give up on life" attitude, is regarded as noble.
>The Middle Way refutes immortalism
Of course it does. Immortality is the ultimate struggle, the goal of all goals. The endurance of the soul should be priority #1 for any man.

>Crack open a book before humiliating yourself

If Buddhists are laughing and snickering at me, then I'm doing something very right. Crack open a gun to your head before encouraging another young man to submit to helplessness by following the self-destructive advice of some estranged ancient aristocrat.


I think I was a little bit of a Buddhist before I ever knew a thing called Buddhism existed. I always had a tendency even back in primary school to see things for what it is and be astonished at how people got themselves in all sorts of emotional upheaval that ultimately doesn't bring them anything useful. The very first time I noticed this vividly was related to sports. My classmates would all have their favorite teams and athletes and felt like they personally won or lost something depending on the result of a match. I never quite got that. I suppose if you're the athlete yourself then it's interesting to be able to run really fast or kick a ball really high or whatever, but what's the point for everybody else? I guess if you're having fun you're having fun, but I never attach myself to such elusive things.

And that realization just grew deeper with age. Once you realize how frivolous and ill-conceived most "wants" people have in this life, it's hard to take humanity seriously. And these are the very rampant, intemperate fools that try turn you into a pawn for their little retarded games in society.

So anyways, in my early 20s I decided to take a serious look into Buddhism and I read all the Sutta Pitaka portion of the Pali Canon and I'll probably sound arrogant but I didn't find much of anything new to me in those books. In fact I find the rational portion of the Buddhism a very natural conclusion. I don't know about the rebirth and the mythical aspects of the religion like Karma, but the rational portion is quite straightforward.

Yes, all suffering comes from craving, and yes, people are for the most part savages and fools and don't realize they multiply their suffering and the suffering of others by not letting go of their stupidity. And yes, you can't deny you're part of this world. You'll be living this life among savages and fools. What are you going to do about it? That's what Buddhism asks.

And that's the point I quite like about it. It invites you to really sit down and look long and hard at what the fuck is going on in your head. And seriously looking into your mind is a very intriguing process and a lot harder than it might seem. I think we have some of that in Western Philosophy with the whole Know Thyself thing but Buddhism offers a very good tool of exploration in the form of meditation practice. There's an actual system in place that you can use it and that makes a whole lot of difference.

You really grow wise by doing it, you begin to notice all the garbage you spout and the garbage you conceive in your mind (and how you let others put garbage in there) and the gutter you stick your head in without realizing it. You notice how your mind react like a retarded animal, which makes complete sense, we're retarded animals, but we can be less retarded. Literally you slowly begin to notice your own idiocy and the ignorance behind certain shit that you do.

Now, according to Buddha himself, the ultimate goal is to continue realizing how little control you have over your mind (that's the lesson, btw) and once you're in full control, you're liberated from the frays of your mind, which also means you see the world for what it is (a land full of ignorant, hurt and distressed people ready to destroy themselves and you with them.)

But I don't know what you become as a liberated being. Buddha supposedly achieved it at 35. He simply continued his life as a wandering sage helping other people to better understand and control their own minds and then died in his 80s I believe.

So I think it really comes down to training your mind. Some advantages of this are quite obvious, like being able to let go of self-destructive behavior. For example my sibling would not be paying alimony and fighting for custody of his child against a succubus he now has grown to hate if only he would be able to control his own mind and the desires that grows within it. For a minute of pleasure he's now in for a lifetime of hatred and disappointment. But other advantages are quite subtle, like having the calmness in your eyes to be able to admire the clouds for hours.

But then again, I'm not enlightened. Those who were, if you read about the disciples of the Buddha, dedicated themselves to teaching. And I guess it's the right move, otherwise me and a whole lot of other people wouldn't have benefited from that wisdom. I assume a lot of people also fucked themselves over because of Buddhism, becoming fanatical and stuff like that, but that's the case with every religion.

And then there's the mythological part, with the Karma and the many rebirths, and the many Gods in the many spheres. I find it fascinating but being what I am, I'm unable to believe in any of it. Buddha mentions you don't actually need to believe in any of it to reap benefits of looking long and hard into your mind. And I can agree with that by personal experience.

So yeah, my advice is to actually read what Buddha said. The Sutta Pitaka exists, all it takes is for you to open the book and read it. I find very hard to believe you'll be unable to fetch something interesting of it, even if it's just as an intellectual curiosity.


Buddhism kinda sounds like mental suicide to me.


you type like a pseudo-intellectual edgy teenager who discovered nietzsche on a youtube video last week


Do you think if Schopenhauer had known more about Buddhism he would have liked it better than Hinduism?

Like the Vedas were the only major translated text from the Dharma at that point.

Everything Schop does say about Buddhism is positive.

But still the Hindu notion of All=1, might fit with his philosophy better than the Buddhist notion of All=0. Thou art that. I'm the universe. I'm the Will and the Will is the cosmos.


It's not, the actually very insightful into human psychology.


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>And then there's the mythological part, with the Karma and the many rebirths, and the many Gods in the many spheres. I find it fascinating but being what I am, I'm unable to believe in any of it. Buddha mentions you don't actually need to believe in any of it to reap benefits of looking long and hard into your mind. And I can agree with that by personal experience.
Honestly their view of causation is less mystical than the usual view of causal relations for us. When we say an action has merit it's prescriptive, but becomes descriptive as a function of seeing things as they are. There's no belief or attachment to the moral precept from this view, and the corollary doctrines of karma and rebirth are similarly discontinuous. I hope you look at these things again with the same realism from the rest of your post wizzy


I like the simplicity of Zen and my life experience backs up that you'll have sudden moments of great awareness out of nowhere. Great insights just out of the blue when you're least expecting them. I like the koans too, they help keep life light when darkness overwhelms. Zen has greatly helped me with overthinking and anxiety issues and I'm also partial to the Bhagavad Gita. Meditation is good for the soul


>you type like a pseudo-intellectual edgy teenager
No I don't. What about my post came off as "edgy" to you? The part where I disparaged helpless self-destruction? The part about how it's wrong to encourage young men to submit to those who wish ill for them?
>who discovered nietzsche on a youtube video last week
I never read Nietzsche, or "Schope", or any of these other literal pseudo-intellectuals who made a career of moping about how evil the world is from within the safety of their little castles. I couldn't put a face to their names. And frankly, any man who seeks direction in life and then settles to even glace over the writings of one of these "philosophers", is a man victim to the global demoralization campaign that is the defeatism industry.


All this sort of mental play isn't exactly suicide, it's more like retreat. The easiest way to deal with the formless reality is to run away and start talking about something else entirely while pretending you're still dealing with what matters. It's mental play.



Currently in a Diamond Way Buddhist Center, since it's the only decent biweekly gateway I get to Vajrayana. Working with symbolic deities like Vajrayogini and Tara and doing visualization and Chöd lately. I just know it's making me calmer for once.


Suppress all desire in yourself.


I think Mahayana is lot better, it's lot more diverse, it has cooler rituals, it is more widespread in highly developed countries, it doesn't seek to negate self, it intergrates better in national culture, it condemes sodomy and it's not only about priests.


To me it always seemed like western intellectuals were dismissive of Mahayana as a popular paganism, a living religion practiced by the masses, while they romanticized Theravada Buddhism as the original Indian teachings, only practiced by a small minority today, and more of an ascetic philosophy of denial than an actual living religion. A bit snobbish and hipster.


Maybe they though Theravada more compatible with Christianity or atheism if they thought of it that way. For a while buddhism was seen as athestic by many westerners, I don't know if it's still the case, I think that's why Zen arr more known as well, because of their focus mostly on meditation.


Nonwhites can into Christianity allegedly, but can whites really be into Buddhism?


>but can whites really be into Buddhism?
We shouldn't be. Buddhism was spread upon a hundred million through forced indoctrination of the young for the sake of raising a subservient, passive, weak population content to suffer to the benefit of a select caste. A philosophy of feeling so worthless that you spend 12 hours at work just to go home to your own cramped shared apartment to shit on the kitchen floor. But that's OK because it is WRONG to feel any discontent for your position in life. Don't get angry; that strays you away from Nirvana! Buddhism was invented to take advantage of a booming population of uneducated men by stripping them of their individualism and making them believe that life is inherently suffering no matter who or what you are. Then those who are "awakened" promise these people that they can be lead to a state of being free from feeling the weight of this supposed suffering while being walked all over by these very enlightened individuals. All they have to do is endure their afflictions indefinitely, even if it's someone or something specific and material that is causing them stress.

For any race that isn't primarily comprised of inbreds, Buddhism presents a danger because it introduces this false concept of universal guaranteed suffering to people capable of basic introspection, which culminates in a few conscious thinkers being trapped in a downward spiral of self-doubt and cosmic despair. These thoughts are destructive and lead to more imagined issues that wear the man down, which can only leave the man worse off emotionally and spiritually. And will he ever become enlightened during this depressive spiral? No. He can only lose the chemical capacity to feel anything at all. A self-lobotomized zombie from a brain that had to cut away its ability to feel because the poor guy who owns it couldn't stop imagining new ways in which the world is cruelly unfair. He was told after all, that if he kept thinking about those things, he would rise up to become free of ALL suffering. Yeah, through a shrunken neofrontal cortex. Just that part of the brain that diminishes with inbreeding. Inbreeding being mandated through arranged cousin marriages at the discretion of the "enlightened caste".

Look upon the billions of Hindus and Buddhists and see for yourselves the effects of faithslavery. Crystal towers of the enlightened surrounded by a continent of mud huts. Only a failed race could let themselves be subject to that. Only a different species would continue to breed in such a system.


I've seen it said that India went too spiritual while China is too materialistic. I don't know anything about Hinduism.


But Buddha tried to reform Hinduism the way Jesus reformed Judaism. Just like Jesus got rid of the Jewish law, Buddha got rid of the Hindu caste system. Buddhism was largely rejected by India, and its still Hindu today. The Chinese Emperors tried to stamp out Buddhism the way the Roman Emperors did with Christianity.


> life is inherently suffering no matter who or what you are.
Buddhism provides techniques for extinguishing suffering, though?

>being trapped in a downward spiral of self-doubt and cosmic despair.

who? not the buddhists, they are usually pretty content and happy, as that is what their practice is.

>He was told after all, that if he kept thinking about those things, he would rise up to become free of ALL suffering

focusing on your thoughts is an explicit anti pattern for many kinds of meditation. you're doing it wrong.

>a shrunken neofrontal cortex.

au contraire:


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Not different of Christianity, including the quackery prophets (gurus) asking for money or sex exchange for nirvana (eternal life in heaven), besides this mortal life doesn't mattering. I believe that religion is more a thing to solidify folk culture and rules, nothing more and that each people should follow their one folk religion, but European are long run, so it's better to be atheist and focus on philosophy for ethic and moral guide than following other people culture (religion).

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