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>>310060
>Any small steps towards a positive outlook
Except that it isn't.
No matter how many walks one takes or how many positive thoughts one thinks, absolutely nothing of actual substance will change. It's like going ham an exercise bike and expecting to make a trip across your state.
Suicidal ideation is causes by lack of material success.

>when you personally think they should just go straight to the employment agency and ask for a job
"Material" does not mean "money". Retard.
A Wizzie can gain The Material by being a pure NEET.

>>310075
well you just proved that yes indeed your definition of depression is something like 'depression is when no money, no nice clothes, no tendies".

a rotten mind will always have rotten thoughts. the first step to healing the mind is by healing the body, which is done through exercise and sunchine

>>310076
>depression is when no money, no nice clothes, no tendies
Yes. It is as simple as that.
Keep doing your self-improover superstitious magic rituals, one day you will hit 25 and realize that you have wasted your life for a "mindset" that isn't even there. Material is permanent, the mind is fickle.
t. casualty of improoving towards no end for a decade

>>310078
Bwaaaaaka!

>>310075
>Suicidal ideation is causes by lack of material success.
WTF? lol

I always thought that the image of God as an old man with a beard was very primitive, and preferred to think of God as a bright light. Like OP's image for example.

But isn't that just Sun worship? And is it really more higher and philosophic than the Old Man? The Sun is just another natural phenomena like Man is. But at a lower level. The Sun creates light and heat from which plants and animals emerge and at its highest is the Human Mind. So to worship an Old Man with a Beard, is to worship the highest level of matter in motion. While a Sun is just raw material for plants to grow on. Worshipping a blade of grass is a higher being than the Sun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_the_Father_in_Western_art

>>310748
you are saying god as an old man with a beard is very primitive

you are also saying god as the sun is primitive and literally a blade of grass is greater

>>310749
i'm critically reconsidering my assumptions. maybe i was wrong

Why does the catholic church need food donations when they are so well off? I always noticed monks have to grow their foood but nuns dont?

>>310751
Do the Priests eat the food?

From The Genius of Christianity, or Beauties of the Christian Religion (French: Le Génie du christianisme, ou Beautés de la religion chrétienne) a work by the French author François-René de Chateaubriand, written during his exile in England in the 1790s as a defense of the Catholic faith, then under attack during the French Revolution.-

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In man, virginity assumes the character of sublimity. When, in the fierce rebellion of the passions, it resists the invitation to evil, it becomes a celestial virtue. "A chaste heart," says St. Bernard, "is by virtue what an angel is by nature. There is more felicity in the purity of the angel, but there is more courage in that of the man."

Plato, without wife and children, seated on the steps of a temple at the extremity of a cape lashed by the waves, and there lecturing to his disciples on the existence of God, exhibits a far more elevated character. He belongs not to the earth; he seems to be one of those spirits or higher intelligences of whom he speaks in his writings.

Thus, virginity, ascending from the last link in the chain of beings up to man, soon passes from man to the angels, and from the angels to God, in whom it is absorbed. God reigns in a glory unique, inimitable in the eternal firmament, as the sun, his image, shines with unequalled splendor in the visible heavens.

We may conclude that poets and men even of the most refined taste can make no reasonable objection to the celibacy of the priesthood, since virginity is among the cherished recollections of the past, is one of the charms of friendship, is associated with the solemn thought of the tomb, with the innocence of childhood, with the enchantment of youth, with the charity of the religious, with the sanctity of the priest and of old age, and with the divinity in the angels and in God himself.

>>305988
When questioning my former childhood mummy gut ma, Ahmed about it i was packaged Saint Bernadette: The Song of Bernadette Movie

>How has God helped you in your life?
Helped? I don't know… I'm in a botomless pit of suffering where I'm constantly humilliated and treated like shit everywhere I go. I can't even get a job because of my looks and my mental issues and there are no neetbux where I live, so poverty and the threat of starvation are always present. I'm still alive and I'm eating well at the moment, so I guess He's """helping""" me. Yay, thanks God. Please keep throwing crumbs at me. I hope I can continue to amuse you with my suffering.

I've never really been able to believe in God. I can understand the rational arguments for a God, but I don't really agree with them, and on a spiritual level, there's nothing. I wouldn't call myself an atheist, because I'm still open to the idea of there being a God, but I'm 90% sure God doesn't exist.

>>311564
>I can understand the rational arguments for a God
lol, none

>>311665
>Sage
>Lol.
>Athiest

Hahahah

>>311666
>666

Satanic post

this site already is a shanty town for seamen strolling around with sörvyer

>Men were not ushered into being for the purpose of being saved or lost! God-manifestation, not human salvation, was the grand purpose of the Eternal Spirit. The salvation of a multitude is incidental to the manifestation, but it was not the end purpose. The Eternal Spirit intended to enthrone Himself on the earth and, in so doing, to develop a divine family from among men, every one of whom shall be spirit because born of the Spirit; and that this family shall be large enough to fill the earth, when perfected, to the entire exclusion of flesh and blood.

Recently I came across this interesting viewpoint. In a way, this perspective solves the "Problem of Evil", doesn't it? Because, from this standpoint, humans exist for the purpose of making the world into what the Deity wants. Humans are essentially Spirit-machines, or a highly-advanced tool. Much as a human makes a specific tool for a specific purpose: he designs the tool of a hammer for the task of smacking a nail; the tool of a pogo stick for hopping into the heavens. So too did God design the tool of a human for the purpose of shaping the world to His liking.
God did not create the world for humans to have happy-go-lucky lives free of suffering and pain, so the fact that suffering and pain happens to exist in our world isn't necessarily His fault or even His concern (as much as accepting such a truth may hurt). Ultimately, the "Problem of Evil" ends with the final question of "Why call him God?" The answer is a simple, not-so-comfortable truth: YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

>>311940
Yes tis Q1 in the westminster catechism

Question 1: What is the chief and highest end of man?
Answer 1: Man’s chief and highest end is to glorify God,[1] and fully to enjoy him forever.[2]

what are your thoughts on the book of enoch?

>>305804
Long read.

I was a devout christian most of my life, about roughly two decades. To give you an idea I prayed every single time I went to eat just about anything, including drinking water, every single time. Avoided temptations, etc, etc.

Then I became a gnostic for what lasted unironically one week, before i reverted to some weird mix between protestantism and catholicism as it always was (minus clergy and pope bullshit, then, which in themselves are aberrations according to the bible, none should represent God, even less promote degeneracy if you catch my drift, as well as pedo stuff etc).

Then, I realized not too long ago that, being someone who value objectivity, rationality, and critical-thinking and seek truth no matter the cost, maybe i'd need to actually reflect on my 'beliefs'.

So I thought, what's the origin of christianity. The Bible, so let's study it, let's find if there are any pitfalls, inconsistencies. Turns out there's only that, after all it was written by men. There's a PDF online which lists a lot of them, but i'll refrain from posting it since you can find it yourself if that's something you're willing to study.

Although the PDF is indeed in a sardonic/slightly condescendant tone, a lot of the counter-arguments from it are actually very right.

>fug.jpg

So, here I am, thinking 'Well bible is useless then. What about god?'. So I thought, let's review why do we believe christianity. Because of generational faith transmission, because of natural selection (faith provided a survival advantage because it improved group cohesion, moreso because heretics and non-believers were killed, meaning genes that would diverge from religious beliefs would be far less spread and less common than the ones who cause people to be more religious, inherently).


Okay, so it means that people believe faith mainly because their parents teached them to (excluding NDEs, drug trips because while important they're way less common, debatable, and because i need something widespread for my example). They didn't really 'see' anything, they just believe what they grew in.

Alright, then it means we must go to the origin of that generational faith. Hell, let's not limit it to christianity, but to all religions.

So, the first person who likely sparked religions must have 'seen', things, right? Otherwise how would he make something so elaborate, and so boastful as to say that such a grand thing has been revealed to him and that he 'knows'?

Well, philosophically, very improbable. If he did 'see' it, other than cognitive biases, a need to alleviate the fear of death, of observing simple pareidolia (i.e seeing faces in clouds, objectively there's nothing it's just the way our brain perceives things), then, surely, all religions would agree on the same thing, right? Everyone's god would be completely the same, same for the laws, and if that first man saw what he saw, why aren't we able to replicate that despite light-years technology of improvement compared to that guy? If he saw something that was real, we'd be able to see it, right. No? Then it means it's purely imaginative, and speculative.

And if it's speculative/imaginative, is it real? No, not quite. Even if you're persuaded that the color you see in front of you is green, if you're daltonian (having a perception different than others) and everyone else isn't and sees blue instead, then your perception is wrong because the consensus on what they see brings us closer to a more objective way of perceiving that same color. And that applies for anything. A single perception is always subjective.

And the problem is that this original faith person was alone, and that includes prophets, so it's subjective, what they saw, we cannot see it with science, hell, even religions all disagree on what would actually be god, or the after-life, if it had any reality to it, there wouldn't be a difference of interpretation, because we'd see the same thing. And then if we add the 'need' for religion, to alleviate the fear of death, of meaninglessness, of the lack of objective justice (because if no punishments exist, what stops people from murdering everyone without consequence), lack of guidance and evolution, and because it helps cope a lot with hardships of life. And drugs don't help either, they're mostly perceptions made INSIDE the brain, because that's precisely what drugs do, they rewire the brain more or less temporarily, creating those perceptions, but it doesn't make them real, no matter how real it 'feels'.

So, those are all of the reasons that led me to believe that there is no God. And possibly not an after-life either.
Do know i'm not trying to convert anyone to atheism, or spark a heated debate - although i have no problems with a calm and rational one -, but just sharing what became of christianity with me. However I do think that faith is indeed a core part of a functioning society, even though I do not believe in it (anymore).

>inb4 tl;dr
Understandable, but you're missing on an interesting train of thought, in my opinion.

wizardry is disregarding females and acquiring magic

archwizardry is disregarding the world and acquiring holiness

>>310060
Based and pragmaticpilled

>>314095
What a mix of conclusions to arrive at. Sounds Finnish for some reason

God helped me to stay away from impure acts during 4 months. The moment I started to neglect prayer, I fell back into it. Be careful. In a minute you can lose it all.

>>305804
God is cunning. If you try to fight with him, he will fight with you. As saint Michael said: Who is like God? God showed me that being a "loser" in modern society can be a best thing. There is a special kind of ssatisfaction and dignity in not fitting in to a modern specimens of human animals.

>>305804
Jesus saved me so many times now.

I want to quit porn, get rid of this poisoned mind that wants to die. Go back to school. Help me Jesus. Yes, i've sinned and i still sin by crushing my enemies with the arts. But i need to do this, once they are dealt with i can walk the path. Thank you.

no matter what somebody believes everybody in the whole world is agnostic because nobody knows if god exists, but i will say science in search of the truth has disproven the bible, so the abrahamic god is obviously a mythology, is is safe to assume all religions are man made & based on god myths

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iep4gnmJeRE

zionists are nazis disguised as jews

>>318643
Looking forward to 2030. Fuck Muslims.

I don't know if there is a God or not, but it is obvious that our own brains have created the world we see. We will never be able to observe existence as a single entity because our senses create a distorted reality (often split into duality). So what if there is only one fundamental substance and the changes in this substance are visualized in our minds as different elements? For example, I have several applications open on my monitor right now, almost all of them look different from each other, they look different to the eye, but they are all basically programs made up of 0s and 1s.

Is that too /schizo/ wizards ;__;

>>318655
We might all see the world differently, but we can all tell when one thing changes.
Two people in separate rooms observing a screen will push the control button at the same time as soon as the scene changes.

>>318655
I think you would like Descartes's Meditations

https://nftevening.com/luce-surges-80-after-pope-francis-passed-away/
It sure was nice of the church to help out all the NFT investors out there in this time of deep uncertainty.

>>318876
>the Church issued an NFT
lol

>>318881
The Church is against IVF
And anyways you have the example of St. Paul

>>305804
He gave me life, I was thirsty and he refreshed my soul in a desert. It took a long time for me to ask for that water, as I constantly kicked the can down the road whenever I thought of death and eternity. But eventually I felt him draw me near and feel like I was going to miss out on the next big thing honestly, so I read the new testament and accepted Christ.

However, I will air my fucking grievance. Which is that he tests like a mother fucker and allows Satan to have so much mother fucking power. Satan is a fucking nigger. I will say that again, Satan is a fucking nigger. I can't stress that out enough Satan is a fucking nigger. The niggers who worship Satan just don't know how good they could have it, God hates religion more than the people worshiping Satan. Satan is the nigger who loves religion but has convinced the world that his vision is "Do What Thou Wilt", when in reality he just wants his set of rules instead of God's. Satan is a fucking nigger.

>>318881
Same way that those sworn to religious celibacy do.
By becoming Fathers in the church and having your flock be your spiritual children.

The pursuit of happiness in this life falls within the domain of science and is relatively straightforward to evaluate using empirical evidence. The evidence shows religion is not needed for happiness in life.

In contrast, assessing the likelihood of happiness in the afterlife requires a different approach. If a particular religion is strongly associated with greater happiness in this life, that offers scientific support for its practical value. However, when empirical data is inconclusive or the afterlife remains uncertain, we must turn to other criteria - such as coherence, consensus, and risk management, to guide our reasoning about what may follow after death.

For this reason, the afterlife, we must follow God.

I'm at complete bottom right now. God is my only hope and my only friend. If he does not help me right now I'm finished

Love! if thy destined sacrifice am I,
Come, slay thy victim, and prepare thy fires;
Plunged in thy depths of mercy, let me die
The death which every soul that lives desires!

I used to bash the KJV to be contrary to the low iq KJV-only who think God should talk like Shakespeare. But now I've gotten more favorable to it. Its very literal which is good. And poetry and literary beauty is part of the everyday enjoyment of the Bible. Its true it has some archaisms and mistakes, but that's more for academics and theology than daily use. If you care about the archaeology of the ancient near east use the NRSV, but the KJV is so much more relevant for the last 400 years of english-speaking culture.

>>305804
I Study Western Esoterism as hobby and Christianity is in all places in same way with Judaism, and Islam sometimes.
I dont read the bible but sometimes i like to read the no-faith academics of the bible and atheists.
I like the critical theory method scholars and the orange-german school of the bible.
>So you're a atheist
No, maybe a agnostic.
I dont believe the modern church of the pope or the modern protestant churchs are the true and original ideas of jesus, if that dude existed as the book portray him (or various jesuses, ignoring that people have genuine belief that the guy existed like its a historical perfectly portrayed guy or just have faith)
To me jesus was a human that supersticious humans divinized and make a too magical history to turn his life more epic, later in life of the cult the romans turned this into a memetic weapon.
To me the modern Christianity its a invention of Paul of Tarsus group, the trinity dont make sense to me, a lot of things in modern Christianity to me are superfluous and dont make sense for the original jewish ethos of the jesus to me, too much greek and pagan to me.
All of the Jesus followers died in a city siege in a war, the people that existed after this war are the pagans and non-jewish related to traditions of tarsus.
>So what church…
i like the non-trinitarian sometimes and the universalist, i find oddly that these guys sometimes make contact with secular humanist and deists and go away with dogmas.
I dont believe in the tribalistic jewish hero king-priest and son of god history.
To me the logic of son of god is a error of the jewish ethos based on the pagan gentile ethos of the hellenized people, all are sons of god in the jewish mystical logic.
>But you re too much jew
I dont remember that jesus destroyed the old jew laws in any way, even his brother (let say it existed as his portrayed) still keep praying to the temple and do a lot of jewish things after he died.
The separation of judaizant practices are a later thing, thing that at times make me dude if primitive christianity its not just a died thing and the modernity its juts a political mask of a old dead religion.
Sometimes in the bible history are neoplatonic and symbolics thing that make me dude if are real or just made up for political purposes.
To me jesus wanted to even change the Jewish religious ideas but all ended creating another religion, some jewish scholar and student of mysticism say that the human side of jesus is mystical related in a jewish sense but the later books ruined this image.
>But…
I not saying all are flowers, the dude says nothing about end slave trade and a lot of normal things in the age he lived.
>Also
I learned to do the Cross learning the Cabalistic Cross ritual… lol.
>>311667
There's another jewish numerological alternative to 666 and its 616, you know that?

>>322856
I liked message of the stars by max heindel

>>305804
Friendly reminder that the ONLY actual evidence for resurrection of Jesus is that the bible said so. There is no evidence from his time of that happening outside of the bible. And if Jesus didn't resurrect, then it's all just a scam and placebo effect.

>>322870
they dont need evidence, lad. They conveniently have this idea that just having faith is all you need. its like a mind virus that lets them resist any challenge.

Teaching someone who is inherently evil, someone whose morality is dictated solely by laws and the fear of being caught rather than by any internal sense of right or wrong, presents a unique challenge. Such a person will commit wrongs whenever they believe they can avoid detection, and conventional methods of moral instruction are often ineffective. The key, it seems, lies in instilling a fear that transcends mere human consequences, a fear of divine justice, of a higher, holy authority that observes and punishes wrongdoing regardless of earthly oversight. By introducing the concept of God’s justice, an all-seeing and all-knowing force that smites transgression, one can create a moral framework that extends beyond the confines of human law. In theory, the awareness that one cannot escape divine judgment might curb their impulses, forcing them to reckon with consequences that cannot be circumvented, even if human authorities are absent.

Yet this approach carries a perilous risk. In attempting to instill the fear of God, one may inadvertently trigger delusion rather than conscience. A person so morally twisted and cunning might interpret divine sanction as a personal endorsement, convincing themselves that they are chosen or favored by God. In this warped perception, the very concept meant to constrain their behavior becomes a justification to act without limits, cloaking their misdeeds in the guise of divine will. What was intended as a tool for restraint could become an instrument for further corruption, producing a delusional individual who believes that their actions, however evil, are not only permissible but ordained. The irony is profound: in trying to teach holy justice to someone who ignores human law, one risks creating a person who sees themselves as untouchable, wielding morality as a weapon rather than a guide.

By blaming God for atrocities, people often sidestep assigning responsibility to other humans, choosing instead to view suffering as the result of divine will rather than human action. This reframing can reduce the immediate impulse to direct anger or resentment toward those who are actually responsible. When individuals focus their frustration on an abstract, omnipotent force rather than on other people, they may be less likely to retaliate or seek vengeance against fellow humans, even in moments of profound outrage. In this sense, attributing blame to God can act as a kind of moral buffer, diffusing personal animosity and preventing the cycle of immediate retribution.

Surprisingly, this dynamic can have a constructive effect on society. By redirecting blame away from humans, it may prevent further sins or acts of violence that would arise from retaliatory impulses. When people avoid escalating hatred toward one another, they reduce the risk of perpetuating ongoing conflicts and destructive cycles. In this way, the act of blaming God, rather than being purely avoidance or denial, can serve as a safeguard against the spread of harm, tempering human impulses that might otherwise exacerbate suffering and deepen divisions.