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I don't understand what an OS is. why are there several OS? does this mean that one OS is worse than another? Yet each OS does the same thing: start programs. why then create different OS if they all do the same thing? Why is Linux favored by computer enthusiasts instead of Mac OS and Windows? Does one OS do something different that another OS doesn't? why Linux can't launch video games (I hear that often). how different OS; all execute applications in the same way, why create another (OS)
These are questions that I ask myself about OS because it interests me but even after seeing some videos and sites talking about OS to explain it, I still had questions and things to know.
If you know about computers very well, can you try to answer my questions, please?
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 No.318361

question (not about OS), lets say I made a video game and I let it opensource, what are the pros and cons of it? My thought are, it is good because if there's a bug or glitch, players who knows technology can fix the bug themselves, its a good thing isn't it?

 No.318378

David Plummer, creator of Microsoft's task manager, author of "Secrets of the Autistic Millionaire" and reformed cybercriminal, has some opinions about the Microsoft Windows 10 migration and related telemetry data-as-payment model.

Honestly just using this OS-related video as an excuse to complain about the more important OS, Linux. Many years before Windows 10 was launched, Canonical attempted to monetize telemetry gathered from desktop Ubuntu users, particularly by selling user desktop search strings to Amazon. This received a massive wave of criticism from people who do not use Ubuntu, but I do not know of anyone who switched from Ubuntu to Red Hat or SUSE or other peer distros as a result. It is possible that the reputational damages inflicted by that incident hampered their growth, but I don't know of any sufficiently accurate means of charting or measuring that.

Mr. Plummer had a much earlier video about the Crowdstrike crash last year and why API models are generally less retarded for most use cases. Hmm. Imagine an OS so fragile that an update required by some external software will make the system un-usable. Imagine if updating something that requires updates due to updated security measures or somesuch, like the python install, could make your system unusable.

>>318248
I have an incredibly hard time trying to wrap my head around the fact that you find that acceptable. When a user inputs a root authorized command to do root things to the drive root, yeah he can root himself real hard, but that is a consequence of absolute power. This is instead a minimal application of power to a fragile and poorly engineered user system. For some reason people have a habit of accepting from Canonical things that they themselves would find objectionable in Microsoft.

 No.318536

>>318361
I don't really know anything about this subject but I am not going to let that stop me.

There doesn't seem to be much good for a one-man programmer to making a game engine that they scratchbuilt for their own singular game into an open source project. People don't contribute patches to games all that often since the primary audience for games is gamers, mostly using Windows–not people interested in doing anything more than bug spotting, not patch committers. People can spot problems with a game about as well when the engine is closed source as when it is open sourced.

However, that changes when it comes to the question of modifying an existing game engine. Game engines like Unity and Unreal have price and royalty models that can and historically have been changed under developers' feet. This generally targets larger developers and can be an overblown concern for a one man dev with a small niche game in mind. Modification to an existing closed source game engine is often possible but will generally be unsupported by the project. In contrast if someone were to modify some generation of idTech they could probably look at or ask an existing project how they made similar modifications, such as TheDarkMod's npc senses or Unvanquished's npc basebuilding. And for a one-off game I don't really see much disadvantage to making the engine open source, that might even give the developer a way to offload some maintenance burden if a singleplayer or limited multiplayer game gets more popular than expected.

Open source assets and content seems like a different story. Even Stallman said that art assets, game campaigns etc. are a completely different thing from the algorithms and programs that access them even if the latter rely on the former. There are a lot of games that use a multi license system where the engine and assets are licensed separately and sometimes open licenses incl. GPL handle the game systems but the game assets are closed source and nonfungible. At least things sometimes worked that way in the mid-2000s when people were still making some new commercial games with refit idTech 3d engines.

In terms of game content, the biggest reason I can see for an open source release from a solo dev is if said release was set as a Patreon goal. Like if he expected to earn only $40,000 in profit (after taxes, after Steam's cut and after expenses incl. personal expenses such as rent) from steam sales based off of some projection and decided that his existing fans were dedicated enough that he could set a total of $50,000 in donations to release the game assets and contents as CC-BY or CC-BY-NC. Then the audience gets all the stuff and the gamedev more than doubles his profit.

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>>318359
brother I agree with you

 No.318924

>>318359
people on /g/ never have serious discussions about technology. They’re all about consuming the latest tech and about how we can use tech to get rid of minorities.

 No.319144

>>317505
episode 2 dropped
wonder if this story arc is going somewhere specific now, seems like more plot development than typical for this webseries.

 No.319147

>>318378
On the extreme other side of the spectrum you have MacOSX and iOS, which sandbox the system so hard you have to jump through several hoops just to give permission for a third party program to create a folder.

The m-series cpu hypervisor also completely lock off ring 0 access and make it impossible for random css injections to execute arbitrary code at will.

The company sure is run by greedy sons of bitches, but Apples security approach is superior to anything else on the market, to the point they've actually overdone it multiple times over compared to Windows or standard Linux distros.

They also not only block telemetry and selling user data, but make rants against these practices on their blog which is kind of 90s-technerd-cool in a world where everything is monetized.

 No.319148

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>>319147
Man I remember some of the political horseshit after the San Bernardino attack, when Apple was constantly refusing law enforcement demands. When Donald Trump was vociferously refusing to use an iPhone until such time as Apple complied with the FBI terrorism investigators. It seemed like glowboys descended onto every imageboard but especially /meta/ here demanding that apple users get blocked with such compelling arguments as "apple normalfag faggot homo cocksucker trannies."

Also seems kinda like corporate actors want to nudge the early stage or wannabe cybercriminal crowd to populate linux as their alt os of choice.

 No.319161

>>319148
they probably had to threaten apple execs with jail time to make it happen.

come to think of it, apples latest software patch made it harder for LEO to bruteforce passwords, and they added a bunch of anti-law enforcement mechanisms in the ram handler to prevent reading a confiscated phone in real time.

the phones also since 18.3.1 go automatically into secure 512 bit encrypted mode if not unlocked for 3+ days making them deadweight bricks for cops.

android phones in response have done jack shit to advance privacy or remove telemetry

 No.319162

>>319161
I've heard some people recommend replacing Android OS with Graphene.

Linux phones aren't a good answer since Linux is infamously poor with regards to battery life. Plus there's the joke about a linux phone needing to have working wifi, usable audio, and a sane graphical stack, making it fundamentally impossible for any distro provider…

I've heard a lot of people dunking on Purism and the Librem-5, but most of their hate seems due to the way the Chinese production facilities completely fucked everything up during Covid. Or the fact that the Librem-5-USA models cost $1,600 (used to be $2,000.00) with no spec improvement in components vs. the Chinese manufactured $900 model (used to be $600). And that interview in which they revealed there was only a $100 difference in total manufacturing costs incl. labor between the -USA model and the Chinese model. I don't think there are real privacy concerns with Purism, but there's definitely real manufacturing concerns and real price gouging concerns with them.

 No.319353

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In the end it seems likely that the normalcattle's aversion to text input is what's done the most to hold back AI as a general use object for the longest.
When they learn how to use a text prompt they will destroy everything for everyone forever.
So thanks to Mr. Jobs and Mr. Gates for gaslighting them into thinking that text is hard.
I know it wasn't easy, especially since production software such as AutoCAD uses text terminals with predictive prompting specifically to make their interfaces easier to use rather than cheaper knockoff CAD software which is limited by button reliance.

 No.319562

>kernel level anticheat
whats this?

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 No.319566

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>>319562
>kernel level antichrist

 No.319606

its me again, OP
does a hardware works for itself (example printer) or you must do the software to work with a computer?
another question because I waw thinking how hardwares can work on computer, I find it weird.
let's say we have a graphic card and you do the software to work on your OS/computer, will it works for all the others grapphic cards (hardware) or you must rewrite another software to work on your os/pc again???

 No.319607

>>317710
What lv are those guys

 No.319613

>>319606
Printers involve some pretty complicated software solutions, because they are graphical devices. The hardware of the device must be able to translate image data to a set of actions.

There is a chapter of the Unix Haters' Handbook which discusses user frustrations with the X Windows display system that talks at some length about the differences between windowing systems and printer devices. Because this is written in a comedic and sardonic tone it is very simplified, which might help make understanding these complicated things slightly easier.
https://web.archive.org/web/20091111071410/http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html

 No.319614

>>319613
thanks

 No.319618

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https://lwn.net/Articles/1020408/
If you're ever watching a tech youtube personality or reading an OS review article, and they say something that sounds immediately wrong, like "Linux doesn't seem to have any way to just rollback system updates like Windows and MacOS does," or, "Linux doesn't have a coherent system control center for systemwide settings, networking, printers and all that stuff like MacOS or Windows," or "Linux doesn't have any way of controlling its ecosystem fragmentation at multiple levels of user expertise, it's either a drip or a firehose," think of the Germans. Think of 1996. Think of SLES and of SLED, think of the green dvds in the mail. Think of how long it took for mirrors to be set up in North America and how much better things seemed after you no longer had to connect to Erlangen, Germany to zypper up. Think about the ability to not just roll back updates but to roll back system settings changes through a simple rollback interface. Think about the one and only control center that gave everyone both GUI and TUI menus to control everything from audio cards and system fonts to network security and kernel modules and grub overrides. Think of the aardvark.

And remember what they took from you.

 No.319670

what are the things you do/like to do on linux that you can't do or don't like in other OS?

 No.319673

>>314596
> it took Terry 10 years just to make TempleOS
i was skimming the thread to see if someone would mention terry davis. could you tell me more about how smart and gifted he was in terms of tech? before he went on to develop templeOS, wiki claims, he used to work for some company also developing something i dont remember what. is there any info on how good his work was at that company? because he seems like an incredibly smart programmer to me>>314596>>314596

 No.319675

>>319673
He was a literal Torvalds level savant, or even rarer.

His OS even has full rasterized 3d games he animated through hardware level Assembly instructions (including a working flight simulator).
He compiled hundreds of thousands of lines of code completely alone - in a programming language he invented out of thin air.

If you had to have a picture of how rare people like him are, think Albert Einstein or Mozart. People like Davis aren't born even once a century.

Yes, he was weird, mentally ill and quirky in his private life, but many super savants are.

 No.319676

>>319675
thank you

 No.319677

>>319675
It's a sham his intelligence, dedication, and time went to something as useless and redundant as a new desktop operating system. In history when men such as terry Davis emerged, White civilization would find itself on the brink of a new era of existence, such as in the case of the discovery of electricity or the rocket.

 No.319806

will steamOS will save linux gaming? and there will be no more reasons to stay on windows?

 No.319808

>>319806
It probably won't have much of an effect. Single player games you can already play on Linux through Steam with Proton 9.04 or whatever. It's not even clear if Valve plans a full Desktop release of the OS or if it's only for consoles.

 No.319815

>>319806
Considering steamOS just allows you to play windows games on linux, no.

Linux gaming will only really be a thing if devs target that OS and there really isnt much reason for them to do so

 No.319819

>>319815
according to you, what would be the thing that will make people who make games shift from windows to linux?

 No.319825

>>319819
There isn't one. Due to the way the OS market is structured and how it evolved in the last 30 years, Linux will never, ever have any major consumer market share.

Not to mention fewer and fewer people even own PC's in 2025. Gaming studios are now concentrating on mobile games and consoles because that's where the big audiences and therefore money sources are.

 No.319826

>>319825
> Gaming studios are now concentrating on mobile games and consoles because that's where the big audiences and therefore money sources are.
Objectively, factually, scientifically false. Mobile developers from all walks of the world offer PC versions of their games, and the major gripe with consoles these days if that their exclusives end up being ported to PC (often with upgrades and better support)

Linux will never have market share because linux is made by gay communist anti-White LGBTs. Even if everyone on Earth was glued to a desktop PC, All 300+ versions of linux would still occupy less than a quarter of a percent of OS usage.

 No.319827

>>319826
A mobile gacha game can have 200 MILLION daily users.

A PC game that isn't a Moba made by Valve or Riot is lucky to have a few hundred to a few thousand active daily players. Even an AAA title like GTA 5 only sold 5,7 million copies for PC over a decade.

You keep forgetting how poor most of the planet is. Most gamers don't even know what a GPU or power supply is.
They're gaming on a cheap shitty Android phone they bought on a 36 month plan.

 No.319855

I have an old PC (besides my "real" use laptop) ,it still runs Windows 7 and Internet Explorer..is there any way I can use it as a crash dummy for learning ,generally, programming, maybe Linux, tinkering around with pc settings in general?
or is just plain useless trash?

 No.319857

>>319855
Absolutely. Just look up tutorials on how to install Linux and give it a shot, making a backup of all your important data first.
If you install a Linux distribution, you might be pleasantly surprised how well it runs despite your PC's age.

 No.319858

>>319855
What kind of specs are we looking at? Regardles of what you use it for, it should always be operable in case your main system goes down and you need something to download a new OS or drivers or something

 No.319961

OP is either a child or a teen or some kind of an AI chatbot look at the way he talks and the kind of primitive questions he asks that look like google search queries and are too superficial

 No.319962

>>319961
why it bothers you?

 No.319964

This thread reminds me, we should really have a /g/ board here. Maybe call it /tech/ instead.

 No.319972

>>319962
English, please.

 No.319978

>>319972
go back to reddit4chad

 No.319997

>>319978
go back nigger you have to go back

 No.319998

>>319997
no you

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 No.320004

>>320003
you first

 No.320011

>>320004
u first lmal

 No.320012

>>320011
no I said it first so you go first

 No.320014

>>320012
na u first lel

 No.320017

>>320014
just go away

 No.320018

>>320017
go away nigger fucking go away

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>>320018
leave me alone!!

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