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I don't understand what an OS is. why are there several OS? does this mean that one OS is worse than another? Yet each OS does the same thing: start programs. why then create different OS if they all do the same thing? Why is Linux favored by computer enthusiasts instead of Mac OS and Windows? Does one OS do something different that another OS doesn't? why Linux can't launch video games (I hear that often). how different OS; all execute applications in the same way, why create another (OS)
These are questions that I ask myself about OS because it interests me but even after seeing some videos and sites talking about OS to explain it, I still had questions and things to know.
If you know about computers very well, can you try to answer my questions, please?
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[–]  No.317590

>>317588
>Radio Shack, Fry's Electronics and other bare component stores
Those were never bare component stores for cumputer hardware.

[–]  No.317591>>317595

>>317588
>Radio Shack
>Fry's Electronics
what even are these?
you are confusing "white man" with the average american who is too dumb to build his PC and buys a premade with preinstalled Windows
and you are confusing individual consumer "Indians" with… some scam business owners? I guess?

[–]  No.317592>>317593

>>317589
Software piracy in White countries is under-reported in crime statistics on account of the fact the no White country considers software piracy to be a crime.

[–]  No.317593>>317594

>>317592
>the noble negro and the honorable hindu are just more naturally Lawful, more concerned with the value of exchanges and binding contracts, and more oriented towards Order than whites
lol
lmao, even

[–]  No.317594>>317595>>317598>>317599

>>317593
Literally nobody is saying anything like that. I'm saying that us Whites are pirates and that's good because piracy is good. That noob is saying that Whites don't pirate. We both agree that Hindus and Dindus are bad whether they pirate or not. Read the thread before replying.

[–]  No.317595>>317596

>>317591
>what even are these?
>>317594
>us Whites are pirates
Ukraine is not White you slant-eyed cossack. Putting a swastika tattoo on your arm will not make real White men any happier to pay for your war.

[–]  No.317596

>>317595
Literally your post

[–]  No.317598

>>317594
I went to an upper middle class school in North Europe in the early 2000s and every single kid and teen was pirating movies, games, mp3's Windows and bragging about it.

[–]  No.317599>>317600

>>317594
I gave up piracy. I like to challenge myself to only use things I can obtain legally for free or for very little money. Limitations breed creativity. Downloading and hoarding media won't make me feel fulfilled.

[–]  No.317600>>317601

>>317599
>Limitations breed creativity
Don't punish and stifle yourself because you don't agree with the financial goals of a company. Linux users do that and they can barely browse the internet. Punish the companies.

[–]  No.317601>>317602

>>317600
every browser in the world runs under linux what the fuck are you talking about
>punish companies
…ever since Win7 Microsoft's primary operating system monetization innovations involved the sale of search optimization via the start bar's connection to bing, data analysis via cortana, and many others. Today all of those innovative monetization techniques have paid off to the extent that MS now considers the sales price a triviality. Removing the act of the sale but choosing to remain living on the pigfarm and eating at the trough is not the revolutionary act you're pretending it is. Windows XP was twenty years ago.

[–]  No.317602>>317603

>>317601
Pretty sure Microsoft still makes the bulk of their money through licensing to business and OEM manufactures.

Individual home users were never and will never be anything more but extra on top. A bonus that is about as big as a rounding error in their yearly income statements.

[–]  No.317603>>317604

>>317602
Oh yeah, linux user for sure. You're not breeding creativity, you're breeding bacteria.

[–]  No.317604

>>317603
Wut?

I am taking about microsoft's business fundamentals.
Why are you insulting me?

[–]  No.317605>>317607>>317763

I would like to talk about one of the most important software packages of the BSD, Minix, Unix and Linux operating systems.

The X Window System.

X had an ability which I found very useful. By having a small LAN set up with SSH access to a fairly powerful (for its time) desktop, I was able to run high computational cost software on that hardware, but display the results to and control the keyboard and mouse input from a small raspberry pi connected to a television in a separate room. This is a very nice feature for keeping a desktop atop a desk and a small entertainment system in the personal bedroom, or garage, attic, wherever.

It is my understanding that Wayland does not offer such a feature. And that this is not a "does not offer such a feature YET" situation. I have heard that this is the project being morally outraged at the concept of such a feature existing.

And X's development has been discontinued in favor of wayland.

For myself for the future I am looking into full remote desktop solutions, and it seems that Windows is probably the furthest ahead of everyone else esp. MacOS in terms of RD software. It is a pity I think that remote desktop solutions were never necessary for remote graphical applications on Linux before now and that everyone assumed that anything that replaced X would need to be better than it in all practical aspects, and everyone individually thought that their individual practical aspects would surely be THE practical aspects to win over everyone else.

[–]  No.317607>>317763

>>317605
Waypipe exists, but it is a separate project and doesn't seem to work for the things I try. This is probably because:
>The application must be able to run in wayland natively.
And most things that run in wayland seem to use XWayland to shim up some function or another. Especially wine.
Another reason I can think of is that my desktop runs off of an NVidia graphics card, and there are supposedly a lot of issues introduced to wayland when using NVidia instead of AMD. Launching a wayland desktop doesn't cause immediate failure for me but I don't like to live in them for long because I do have some issues. I'm also not about to fork over the money for an AMD card that I'm not sure will solve anything.

Rustdesk, Moonlight and Sunshine seem like they're young enough to have security flaws. ssh -X is network unsafe but was being used locally across a wired lan, I am still looking to see how locally locked down I can get them to be since most remote desktop solutions are internet oriented. The downside of a second-class remote display system vs a feature of the display server itself is that the application overhead is going to be bigger and have more errors, and since I am working off of a pi 3b there is not that much overhead to spare on the client side.

[–]  No.317616>>317624

what would you ad to your OS that others OS lack of? for example, this OS do3sn't have this feature, so I wish It would be done

[–]  No.317624>>317627

>>317616
You cannot currently use 3d models as direct file thumbnail objects in microsoft windows, nor can you embed a rotating 3d model of a tank as a comment in a sourcecode file in a manner transparently understood by OS-native text editors. This is a clear deficiency compared with TempleOS which makes God's Temple the only truly modern OS capable of leading us to the VR interface age, particularly as visual programming becomes an increasingly mainstream methodology. It is pathetic that Terry's 16-bit command line is inherently more visual than Microsoft's "Visual" Studio.

[–]  No.317627>>317628

>>317624
I see, so no OS have this feature?
I was thinking of something like that for my hypothetical ilage board where you could post 3D models and interact with it

[–]  No.317628>>317629>>317707

>>317627
Temple OS does.

[–]  No.317629>>317705

>>317628
>Temple OS does.
that's nice 👍🏻 does templeOS have more essential features other OS donnt have?

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[–]  No.317706>>317709

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>>317509
Bit late for this, but:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25778940
>9Front And Surprise Auschwitz

>a fork of plan9 that used to ship a copy of "Mein Kampf" in their distribution.


http://debu.gs/entries/plan-9-and-inferno
>It’s also, as far as I can tell, the only OS that has built-in trolling. It comes with a copy of “Mein Kampf” in /lib, for example.

9front spent an entire decade doing practically nothing but finding ways of offending jews, libs, faggots and blacks in their official project repository. Putting pics of nazi rallies in their site /img folder and in their official installation instruction documentation. But the only really offended whining I've seen regarding the project, here and elsewhere, was with that token string of libshit blm pridemonth faggotry on their frontpage. That's the only thing that REALLY got anyone mad.

[–]  No.317707>>317709

>>317628
I guess because I'm just as autistic as Terry, the color schemes and icons in TempleOS calm me down and appeal to me despite being ancient.

[–]  No.317709>>317710

>>317706
Yeah real crazy how endorsing right-wing values and common sensibilities like Hitlerism isn't met with any scrutiny, but supporting gay niggers and rapist communist Jews is what gets people talking. Shocker.

>>317707
Neither you nor Terry are autistic. "Autists" don't create operating systems and compilers; they shit in the bathtub.

[–]  No.317710>>317722

>>317709
Idiot. You've been spamming that same thing in every thread here for years.

Autism is a spectrum with very high functioning individuals and people who wear helmets and everything inbetween.

That's why doctors classify it as a SPECTRUM.

[–]  No.317722>>317725>>317730

My Windows 10 boots in mere seconds. Every day I climb out of bed and click my computer's power button and before I can even climb up on to my chair, I am jacked in.

>>317710
>You've been spamming that same thing in every thread here for years.
I myself have just been replying with my beliefs whenever I see someone bring themselves or others down for being "autistic". I've been doing it for a few weeks at most. The fact that there are others on this site who have been doing it for years enough to leave a lasting impression on one of these "autists" is refreshing but not surprising, given how popular my and their opinions are. And these opinions are derived from one simple fact: Autism, by its current "by doctors" definition, doesn't exist as a significant inhibitor to cognition, and as a result is labelled haphazardly to just about anyone who falls for the ruse of getting tested. The label has also been made fashionable by post-ironic self-deprecating memes that young people on the internet (you) took seriously. If anything, you are spamming "I'm an autist" in every thread because really, you and the other groomed young men all bring it up everywhere, every time, as if it's something to be proud of. Newsflash: Nobody makes a thread about computers or hobbies or books and thinks "Gee, I sure hope a bunch of guys come to my thread and list all of their undiagnosed mental illnesses that they feel are preventing themselves from enjoying things. That would be such a good contribution to my thread".

By the original definition, autism is a very distinct set of serious disabilities.
>Autism is a spectrum
>That's why doctors classify it as a SPECTRUM.
According to these doctors, and even yourself by how you describe it, everyone can be placed somewhere on this spectrum if tested on the right day. For that reason, autism has no real defining qualifier any more extreme than just liking one thing a lot or sometimes not knowing the best thing to say to satisfy someone else's emotions during a conversation. In actuality, autism is a severe mental disability with a range of specific affects that greatly inhibit someone's ability to function remotely like a human. "Pants-Shitting Retard" levels of disability.

For example, one of the common traits of autism was the Pants-Shitting Retard having a constant NEED to shit his pants, as if the retard was doing it on purpose and wouldn't make a smiley face unless he shat in his pants and only in his pants. ZERO TOILETS. Some idiot "doctors" over the past few decades made note of this obsession, and decreed that anyone with a similar obsession, a similar NEED no matter how harmles or broad, is also "autistic" but to a lesser degree (further away on the "spectrum"). So little Timmy Tiedshoes is quite the normal and functional kid, but he has developed an obsession for tying his shoes with double-knots. He can't go out with his friends or play out back without making sure his shoes are tied in this way. Even though he's been told that a single knot is just as safe, and that doubling it up just makes it harder to untie later, he still only feels comfortable running with shoes that are double-knotted. Maybe he picked it up from some cartoon, or when he was really young he had a bad slip and fall and now equates the power of double-knotting to wearing a seatbelt, who knows. It's a harmless obsession not likely to cause him too much grief. Now according to doctors, this obsession is the same type as the Pants-Shitting Retard's demand to only shit when wearing his pants. Not different AT ALL. Because of this, normal and healthy Timmy Tiedshoes with his own odd little picked-up quirk of a personality trait is now labelled the same as the Pants-Shitting Retard by virtue of having an AUTISTIC OBSESSION.

Don't be a Pants-Shitting Retard. Don't call yourself one, don't label yourself the same as one, and don't ever fucking try to call anyone else that they are one because they exhibit some form of unique interest or personality quirk. You have nothing to gain besides making yourself and others feel that they aren't accountable for, or powerless to correct, their own poor choices and arrested development. Because "it's not YOUR fault you were BORN on the neurodivergent autistic personality disorder spectrum! You can't do what normal people do and you will never be as good as those filthy NORMIES because you're a special, disabled, little retard boy!" is a lie someone who hates you told you at one point, and you believed it. And now you're spreading the lie like how the Pants-SHitting Retard spreads despair on to his wranglers.

I miss when you fools just called yourself spergs, because at least Asperger's was originally described as a set of inhibitors and quirks that actually do apply to you developmentally-delayed self-loathers.

[–]  No.317725>>317726

>>317722
you have some degree of autism if you posted on wizchan for weeks.
and im not denying i am either

[–]  No.317726

>>317725
>autism is when not going out to bars and parties

[–]  No.317727>>317783

I'm increasingly thinking that Uriel was unironically wrong and that the Suckless philosophy is often misaimed.

The low number of lines of code the surf browser was written in don't make it either performant or secure, the two things people actually care about when they're looking at minimalist browsers, since webkit is already a target for malware and minimizing the codebase doesn't necessarily harden the system. Nor is it made easier to enrich with customized features compared with its fellow webkit browsers. This isn't a knock on surf, not exactly. It does the thing that it is intended to do, but I am not sure that it was a correct thing to intend to do to achieve a presumed final goal of quality.

I think tiling window managers are overhyped for similar reasons. Maybe a few persuasive, charismatic people made a good case for one particular situation and then everybody lost the plot trying to extrapolate that specific to a generality. The best reason for a normal person to use a twm I ever saw was distrotube explaining the case of workspace configurations and launch shortcuts for his streaming, vm, and audio recording setup - but you don't need a twm for that, just a customizable wm.

And the so-called "Unix Philosophy" was built around the idea that all you'd ever be using it for were shell utilities. It becomes extremely unwise if you were to treat all data as plaintext, all actions on that plaintext as a pipeable filter, and all output and input as a file, when building anything like a modern web browser. I've seen people trying to beat up on Xorg or Wayland for violating the "Unix Philosophy" and it's never, ever been criticism worth listening to.

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>>317722
W10 doesnt scale well with pre 2007 spec HW, my netbook which is about as performant as a 2003 laptop would feel like garbage with W10 but is decently responsive on my special ubuntu concoction so W10 is not an option for everyone

[–]  No.317731>>317763

do you have a link on how OS works please? or a pdf

[–]  No.317732>>317733>>317763

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>>317730
I would be using Linux but my PC is 32bit, linux has a bad support for 32bit machines nowadays, lots of key softwares and features are missing for 32bit machines, I am stuck with a light weight version of windows 7 and even then, it's far from being "responsive"

[–]  No.317733>>317737

>>317732
Why do you use it then? People literally give away old 64 bit rigs. For free.

[–]  No.317737>>317739>>317740

>>317733
I am just a poor third worlder NEET, not some tranny teach nerd who enjoys using ancient hardware.

[–]  No.317739

>>317737
Buying electronics in the third world is suicide fuel but not to that level usually.

[–]  No.317740>>317741>>317742

>>317737
I can play Witcher 3 at 1080p, medium details, 60fps on an old i5 4890k gtx 670 machine someone threw away and which has little to no monetary value.

[–]  No.317741

>>317740
The Witcher series is really bad though. You should be playing a batter game.

[–]  No.317742>>317743

>>317740
Feeling so pathetic right now.

[–]  No.317743>>317744

>>317742
If you're in such a third world slum that getting some cash work for a day or two to buy a used Thinkpad isn't an option, then it would suffice that you live in such a place where stealing an entire computer in broad daylight would bar zero consequences.

[–]  No.317744>>317745

>>317743
That would imply entering into other people's homes, an option which I don't have as a friendless social outcast.

[–]  No.317745

>>317744
You don't need friends to commit crime…

[–]  No.317763>>317769

>>317731
https://wiki.osdev.org/Expanded_Main_Page
Ganbatte.

>>317732
I hadn't heard that before. It wasn't that long ago that ARM-32bit was still a vital part of the ecosystem but I've not paid any mind to x86 32bit for a good long while. What are the SBC prices like in your local markets? Not just Raspberry Pi 4, but also stuff like Pine64, OrangePi, etc. Or even a Windows, x86_64 SBC, though those tend to be more expensive where I live.

Not advocating total replacement, just sharing as much workload as can be done before your PC gives up the ghost. Good luck anyways.

>>317605
>>317607
An update -
Moonlight works really well in X, Wayland, and Windows 10, and my setup is now fundamentally OS-agnostic as even a raspberry pi 2 can play a game off of a configured Windows tower on my LAN. It is curious though that I haven't been able to get Moonlight to properly launch from the TTY since that's what it is fundamentally intended to do; I don't think this can be Qt's fault or an issue with my fb config since lmms &c work off of tty just fine. Security is always a big question for anything that operates off of a network and I haven't seen too many security experts talk about GeForce Experience, Moonlight, or Sunshine and I can't imagine that Sunshine in particular has been able to plug all possible holes given that it operates on both NVidia and AMD graphics stacks on both Windows and Linux. Tentatively I'm happy with this setup.

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[–]  No.317781

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I bring some OS news, are games better now on linux?

[–]  No.317783

>>317727
>The best reason for a normal person to use a twm I ever saw was distrotube explaining the case of workspace configurations and launch shortcuts for his streaming, vm, and audio recording setup - but you don't need a twm for that, just a customizable wm.
Yeah tiling wms are really about the customizability. I was really surprised about how barebones hyprland is when I first installed it. But when you set it all up and finetune it it becomes really nice and thats the thing Im starting to mislike about gnome and such. Their defaults are so set in stone and when you build it yourself you know how it works and how to change it but not with those all come inclusive wms. Same difference between arch and ubuntu.

>I think tiling window managers are overhyped for similar reasons. Maybe a few persuasive, charismatic people made a good case for one particular situation and then everybody lost the plot trying to extrapolate that specific to a generality.

To talk about my experience with tiling wms for a bit,
tbh I think tiling wms may be equal or worse in comfortability for me after I got used to it on my laptop. Not looking at the few compatibility problems with some programs that use floating tooltips like idea ide, the managment of my windows is enforced since the windows cant be just hidden behind one another. I have to move my window to another workspace to prevent resizing. This is annoying but searching for windows behind other windows in floating wms is also annoying so it balances out and to be honest it might not make much of a difference to me whether its a tiling wm or not in the end were it not for the customizability advantage.

dwm tackles the issue with being forced to move opened windows to another workspace by having one master window and the rest be slaves, so the ridiculous downsizing to fit all windows only happens on the side of the screen on which the slaves happen to be on. perhaps you could also customize hyprland to do the same though.

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[–]  No.317803

watching some videos about linus torvalds and all the guys who interview him are indians.

[–]  No.317817>>317818

Subscriptions to use Adobe programs suck. Embrace free(dom) with a Linux OS.

[–]  No.317818

>>317817
I don't like the video


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