/wiz/ - Wizardry

>>223570
>I'd disagree that it's the most important and basic impulse. Self-preservation is much more basic if anything, I mean by this getting food for yourself, acting on self-defense, etc. Sex isn't really the central moving force of the universe, despite lots of intellectuals in the previous centuries claiming that it is.

Yeah, when it comes to nature in general it really is just a bunch of randomness that is pushed into occasional order based off of physical laws.

I learned a lot about goal oriented behavior in my addiction recovery process and based on what I learned, I dont think sex is any sort of base instinct. Neither is hunger. The only thing we come equipped without of the womb are basic reflexes, like sucking on a titty and the processes involved with food digestion. Actual goal seeking behaviors like searching for food and sex are things that the brain has to develop over time. There is one notable experiment where researchers examined dopamine deficient rats and they wouldn't eat food that wasn't fed to them directly. They would literally choose to starve to death over move a few inches to pull a lever to get food because their brains didn't have the ability to release enough dopamine to spur action.

That is pretty much why wizards like >>223550 feel the way they do. Since we never had sex our brains literally never built those dopamine pathways to motivate us to take the steps to engage in it. We may experience sexual arousal but over the years we trained our brains to satisfy that urge in ways that didn't involve sex. So there is a huge disconnect where normies would risk jail for pussy while virgin wizards just see their behavior shameful and illogical.

While there are some baseline tendencies based on genetic and hormonal influences, the complex behavior involved in fulfilling the desires isn't really baked in our genes, it is mostly shaped through experience. I think 30 is a pretty good age to define wizardry because if you make it through the gauntlet of your 20s still a virgin then you likely have trained your brain to be very wizardly and wont change without significant effort.

>>223550
same
I don't get how people can enjoy watching romantic scenes in movies

In 4th grade I stubbed my wiz toe on a witchies desk and she laughed at me. Even since then I swore to destroy every last witchie and make them apologize for what they did. I am going to find that witchie who laughed at me and make her pay.

Being autistic and hearing bluepill bullshit

>>223589
I know how frustrating it is to keep being told to do something despite being unable to do it. Like another anon said, it's like telling someone with Tourette's to just stop cursing. Sadly, some people even on wizchan can't understand what it's like to have a differently wired brain.

>>223581
>I think 30 is a pretty good age to define wizardry because if you make it through the gauntlet of your 20s still a virgin then you likely have trained your brain to be very wizardly and wont change without significant effort.
Idk, I have a feeling lots of people leave places like this site behind after they just "suddenly man up" in their early 30s.

I've been reading a lot about violent criminal behavior lately, criminal psychology, serial killer study, that sort of thing. Most serial killers and/or lust murderers are in their late 20s-early 30s. Not to say that people here are necessary like that but I found lots of similarities between the wizard outsider life and the life of serial killers. My point is just that people change, sometimes very suddenly and seemingly out of nowhere. I don't believe 30 is early enough to tell that someone will be a virgin for the rest of his life or that there is even a universal age for this. People are different, here too. Some will just norm it up one day when their circumstances will change drastically, like they will be forced to wageslave or to go among people, stuff like that.

>>223605
Anger and testosterone spikes at 14-16, lowers, then stays very high from 21-30.

There is a very clear hormonal link.
As you age, you just become less of a nutjob if you were predisposed to violence.

Most serial killers are very angry involuntarily celibate nutjob guys between 20-30.

>>223606
It's not just about testosterone. What you say about angry teenagers is accurate since many go on school shooting sprees and what not because they got rejected by some female. I think it has something to do with aging and social expectations in the case of serial killers. Seeing younger guys than you going out with beautiful succubi and society making you feel like crap for not having done that ever, plus as you age you are nearing more and more death and you start to perceive the first signs of decay around your 30s.

>>223612
Yeah, people mellow out for a variety of reasons after around 30. The most dangerous people in society are around 16-25 and male especially if they are ugly, high libido and got rejected by lots of succubi.

>>223612
>many go on school shooting sprees and what not because they got rejected by some female
no, it's literally only singular cases among countless crabs
they commit murder because they are psychopaths, rejection is only an excuse
crab school shooters are no different from other kinds of homicidal maniacs
you and >>223612 >>223605 should stop spreading "angry crab school shooter" propaganda

>>223620
PS testosterone is not a hormone of anger, but of activity, confidence and creative energy
>>223605 >>223606 >>223612 >>223619
you must be either succubi or frustrated low T manlets if you think testosterone makes men angry

>>223621
It does both. Roid rage isn't a myth. It's something perpetuated and warned against by bodybuilders themselves.

>>223620
>psychopath
That's just a buzzword, though. If we went by the strict definition then most people, at least males, would be considered as psychopaths/anti-social personality disorders. These definitions were invented to demonize the culprits and so that society can put distance between itself and these people. "We are the sane ones, moral ones, healthy ones, etc. You are the crazy, immoral, unhealthy" That's the logic behind it. The only genuine difference between psychopaths and other people is in being reckless and not caring about the consequences of your actions. The so called psychopaths just suffer from impulse control, basically. They have a harder time suppressing their emotions and instincts and act on their impulses even if they get them into trouble.

>>223621
T level isn't the only factor in these things, I agree on that. Many high T people live out their frustration in competitive sports or find job in law enforcement, military, stuff like that. Having high T levels can make you more violent though if you don't know how to handle it.

>>223634
>That's just a buzzword, though
It's not and I'm already tired of responding to you because it's like throwing peas at a wall. I know you are the guy who keeps saying autism doesn't exist, and you're the one who made the thread about serial killers. You're either a troll or actually schizophrenic, with your own world and your own truths in your head, never considering another point of view.

Anyway, what matters is that pain and suffering are bad, it doesn't matter who feels the pain. Between the victim and the perpetrator, the sanity, morality, healthiness and motifs don't matter. The goal of any society should be to minimize pain and suffering, without discriminating. Your pain is just as real as my pain, so I should act as if your pain really is my pain, and I should refrain from causing pain to you. Psychopathy is when you fail to understand the reality of other beings' pain.

>>223640
Same as that one poster in 2024 who kept saying vaccines do nothing and are useless then simply vanished. On a chan with 15 daily posters it's pretty easy to tell the person fixated on that single subject is indeed the only person posting about it.

Or the guy who spent all of early 2025 talking about how he can't parallel park a car in India while succubi can. And this went on for months.

Hyperfixation people are nothing new to wizchan. Today it's the guy denying autism exists and in late 2025 it'll be someone claiming eating meat will give you covid.

>>223644
Actual schizophrenic delusions of conspirators. Maybe "all the guys" claiming to be autists are really just one dude hyperfixating on his perceived ailment.

>>223649
everyone who turns out a 30 year old virgin in a society where the average male loses his at age 14-16 is on the autism spectrum and has schizoid/avoidant personalities

succubi are very very good at weeding out non-nt males.

>>223651
>Only retards decide to not have sex
Fuck you

>>223652
As if the ugliest males like myself have any choice in the matter no matter how hard we try.

>>223653
Well keep that to yourself

>>223654
I do. I'm just frustrated by normies who think it's a "choice", as if a homeless bum "chooses" not to live in a Trump Tower 5000sqft penthouse.

>>223656
>>223653
I just googled and it costs about 100 euros in the Netherlands. I could easily go do that but i dont. Do you live in the middle east or something and cant get a visa anywhere?

>>223638
Yes, I'm that guy. I don't have to hide it. I'm not trolling, just stating my own opinions. Is that bad?

>The goal of any society should be to minimize pain and suffering, without discriminating
Says who? If you look through history most societies don't fit this narrative at all. What you think society should be is basically what communists want, some ideal world that won't ever exist.
>Psychopathy is when you fail to understand the reality of other beings' pain.
That's not psychopathy, just the way of life. In order to live and prosper any kind of organism needs to do to other organisms what it doesn't want done to itself. Exactly the opposite of your moralizing, over-sensitive logic. Like I said, you can consider most males as psychopaths if you really stick to the definition. It's just a buzzword, like I said.

>>223651
This is a funny post. Many guys lose their virginity way past 14-16, the only guys who lose their virginity that early are little Chads. You don't have any connection to reality despite accusing me of this earlier.

>>223658
I don't mean paying someone to touch your weewee because every cell in your body knows that's fake and sye loathes you.
I mean someone voluntarily doing it because they find you hot.

At this point I enjoy being a wizard and embrace it. I couldn't care less if succubi are repulsed by me. They don't exist to me.
My life is all about hobbies, self-sustenance, small business and health now.

>>223659
Depends on which society we're talking about.

In the US, most males by age 16.8 have lost their virginity.
Less than 30% before age 16
https://www.inverse.com/article/32446-sex-first-time-virginity-age

>>223662
How do you even conduct these so called objective researches? Obviously most guys will lie to whomever is asking things about them being virgin or not. And even if it is anonymous supposedly, like really, how? You ask 100 guys this question and then project it onto the general population. Statistics are never trustworthy.

Untreated selective mutism still affecting me to this day (it is normal for me to get a classical "why are you so quiet?" from strangers). I lived isolated in a small apartment with no meaningful connection besides my parents (isolated from extended family and even from neighbors next door). I was never encouraged to learn or try something in life, my parents were content with me having good grades and using the computer the whole day. No life skills nor charisma or self-esteem so I got bullied and eaten alive in high school

>>223659
>If you look through history most societies don't fit this narrative at all.
Right, that's the difference between is and should be.
>What you think society should be is basically what communists want, some ideal world that won't ever exist.
Life will never be free of suffering, but we can do things to reduce it. We can't reach perfection, but we can strive towards it.
>you can consider most males as psychopaths
Most normies are psychopaths. Not only males.

>>223671
It's not constructive at all to discuss 'should be' scenarios. Might as well talk about fantasy movies or books as if they were real.

We can strive towards reducing suffering indeed but should we? I mean the general population deserves to suffer. I would go farther and say that to implement a system where everyone is treated equally would be the end of humanity. Yeah, you can call me a Nietzsche fanboy, I kind of like him, not agree with him on everything but I think he is infinitely superior to Schopenhauer or communism and similar bleeding-heart false pretentious ideologies like Christianity.

>Most normies are psychopaths. Not only males.
Females are much too careful and cowardly to be proper psychopaths. They like to manipulate people but that's it. They are no risk takers and so that's why most violent criminals are males.

>>211629
autism and STPD
Also I have ugly polish face and weak frame
However, I don't feel insecure about my looks + a few normies told me I look good, idk if they lied or not

>>223667
You conduct enough of them with good randomlzed sample sizes to create a scientifically valid peer-reviewed study.

Regardless of which country you look at (with the exception of India and Saudi-Arabia), men generally lose their virginity between 14-17. Northern Europe being the most promiscuous. succubi roughly two years earlier.

>>223722
>You conduct enough of them with good randomlzed sample sizes to create a scientifically valid peer-reviewed study.
That doesn't mean it reflects reality accurately, though. These statistics are always bullshit, whether it comes to politics or anything else. But some people want to make money by making these statistics so whatever, everyone needs to earn their daily bread.

>Regardless of which country you look at (with the exception of India and Saudi-Arabia), men generally lose their virginity between 14-17
Extremely doubtful. Most guys I knew in high school were still virgins when we finished. There were only a couple of guys who had gfs or had sex while still in high school. I trust my own experiences better than some random statistics.

>>211629
Because fapping makes sex obsolete. Why would I want to bother?

>>223261
I recently uncovered a final piece of repressed memory. You ever had a nightmare you can't wake up from and it just keeps getting worse?

My childhood screwed me up for life, since I was very insecure in middle school when the other guys started flirting/starting at succubi for the first time. Me? Well, let's see…
I was a fun, easy-going child till I was like six. Then, my alcoholic dad started cheating on my mom. She has BPD so you can imagine what it was like: dad beat the shit out of my mom, then they took turns beating the shit out of me. Dad wasn't present, and my mom was more concerned with that other broad who cheated on her with my dad than me. So, I was left to my own devices. She didn't cook so I resolved to eating plain sugar abd white bread everyday and also school meals. I also didn't knew how to clean myself and my clothes. I also started wetting my bed till I was ten, so since I didn't knew how to clean my underwear, I always smelled like urine. My personality took a 180 and I became distant and awkward. I also had shit grades in school. My teachers were concerned and wanted me to see a child psychiatrists but my parents didn't want me to be seen as mentally ill. Anyway, this whole cheating saga ended with my mom attempting suicide in front of the whole family: she slit her wrists and gobbled down some pills. I was shocked and helped her to the hospital. Then, my parents divorced and mom was clinically depressed and just LDAR in her room for years. I was alone for the whole time. When she got outside though, she used to rummage through my stuff and especially my drawings and she liked to pick on them and tell me I was shit in drawing. I also gained weight during puberty and she always hit me and told me I'm a disgusting pig.
As you can see, I developed that meak and shy personality, I was scared of everyone and spent my time coping with video games. Not very attractive to succubi. And J didn't hav the looks since I wore dirty and torn clothes and smelled bad.
It all took a cumulative effect and I never recovered. I'm more lean now, and I can communicate a bit and hold down a low stress job, but I still struggle with hygiene and mantaining my looks, and keeping my weight in check is a life long struggle. That, and my personality. I'm also not very facially attractive in the first place, so it doesn't help too. With time though, i learned being alone.

>>224464
Don't let how a succubus (even your mom) treated you as a child negatively effect who you are as an adult. Hit the gym and wash your pants.

>>224464
good, now you wrote down your personal history once and for all.
moving on, let's leave it behind. every moment lives for itself.

>>224466
Tbh, I was referring to my lack of affecction and sex and I think my childhood is the culprit. Otherwise, I feel quite comfy with my life. I prefer to think that this whole childhood trauma rubbish is just that, rubbish. Even though I'm a permavirgin, I still think I'm more well-adjusted than most people in some ways. For example, being self-sufficient is a very good thing on itself that actually most people struggle with.
Idl, anecdotally, I was diagnosed with CPTSD by some bitch shrink, and she told me to "educate" myself on trauma. I looked up what the hell it was and found a subreddit full of slutty succubi moaning about not being able to secure a Chad due to their bitchy personalities. I immediately undiagnosed myself and decided to stay off shrinks for the time being.
>>224465
I already learned most of that stuff by myself later in life. Unfortunately, I can't lift since I'm disabled. I do small home workouts though.

>>224468
in day to day life, do you sometimes feel intense fear, intense uncomfortability or times where your mind goes blank or very blurry/foggy?
do you sometimes feel that you are not in control over your mind or actions in certain situations, like talking to someone specific, or being in a specific place, or seeing or hearing something specific?

>>224469
Yes to all. Why? Excelt the specific part, it happens at random.

>>224470
people with untreated trauma often report it being random.

traumas can be thought of as ungriefed past selves.

let's say a wizkid is at a store and really wants a chocolate bar.
mom says no.
the wizkid COULD throw a little temper tantrum, cry, do a little rebellious act like stomping the floor and not immediately following wizmom. but the wizkid would be over it soon.

another thing can happen, and this obviously doesn't happen with something as inane as getting a chocolate bar.
the wizkid starts dissociating with reality. the reality of not getting the chocolate bar is so painful, that reality is not tollerable. not even stomping the ground or crying could mend reality in that moment.

when the wizkid grows up, an ungriefed past self exists in his head. he could be 30 years old, but his 7 year old wizkid self not having gotten the chocolate is still in his head, refusing to accept some inputs of his senses.

when such inputs (a thought, a smell, a sight, a sound, ..) happen, the ungriefed past self evokes fight or flight, or just plain shuts down the brain. reality is not an option.

you can force a past self to grief. triggers would no longer put you in fight or flight.
you cry and afterwards you feel a bit more free. one whiny little kid lashing at you to remove yourself from a certain situation less.

>>224471 (cont)
the ungriefed past self doesn't live in your memory. personal history is useless in resolving trauma. you can't talk about your past or think back to your past, and expect that to do anything for you. succubi get this wrong.

men don't usually talk about trauma because they just identify with their impulsive actions and dismiss the trauma response as "nerves", and they just gotta toughen up coz that's part of life.

most succubi never resolve their traumas and instead identify with them, and cherish "trigger warnings".

a truwiz meditates three times daily for at least 5 minutes each, then identifies when and where (generally) trauma response happens (maybe in the break room), and pays special attention to what happens inside him as it happens.
he relaxes and breathes and doesn't do anything in response to any intense feelings that pop up.
back at home, he writes or audio-records about what happened.

I meditated, looked deep inside myself, and found EVIL.
I am the antagonist in the story of this world.
I am literally hitler.

>>224478
ARE you evil?

>>224478
>I am literally hitler.
Hitler didn't have an evil bone in his body.

I'm an ugly manlet.
Simple as that, really.

>>211629
I just lived my life and nothing ever happened.
>went to school for 11 years and in that time no succubus has ever shown any interest and they didnt even want to befriend me at all
>after school I worked a bunch of shitty jobs and there were also no succubi there
>then I was a NEET for many years and as one might expect, no succubi there either
>then I had a few more shitty jobs for a couple months and nothing came out of that
>then I became a NEET again and have been one for the last 10 years and here of course once again no succubi of any kind

so school and employment and neeting didnt yield me any succubi.
I had some friends over these years but they were mostly losers like me and didnt know any succubi and through family I also never got into contact with any succubis.
eventually, I think that was around my early to mid 20s I had fully given up on succubi because if it didnt happen up until that point it obviously would never happen so any further attempts or trying to fit in with the normalfags was an obvious waste of time and I stopped bothering.

of course I been wondering like why? and to this day I have no real answer for that because am I really that ugly? I'm certainly not the elephant man and I have seen uglier and shorter men than me having girlfriends and normal social lifes, I'm not rich but also not THAT poor, I seen poorer men have girlfriends and social lifes.
is it my personality? how could it be if never anyone even got close enough to figure out what mine is?
so I guess the reason I'm a wizard is because I'm meant to be one and was always meant to be one, it must be destiny or shit like that.



>>211629

>>223670
Same.