/wiz/ - Wizardry

the same reason all normalniggers, redditors, and society in general thinks that for someone to be an adult virgin it must mean there must be something fundamentally wrong with you as a human being.
Their brains are defective and can't break from prejudices. In the case of depressed people, some really don't want to improve and it's easier for them to do nothing and complain and act like victims for their entire lives.

I don't think "depressed people" in general actually do reject the idea of correcing poor health choices as being a step towards mental betterment. I believe it is really a small minority of trolls and those who have cut their balls off who get a sick rise out of keeping sad men down. They spread these lies with the goal of making those in a rut in to hopeless LIDARs.

I believe the general community of depressed people understand that happiness begins with health, but they lack the motivation due to the chemical imbalances brought on by their poor choices up to that point. Sinking in a well of despair, where they know that swimming and climing will save them, but their body and mind are betraying them with fatigue, so they opt to sink just a little more. "I'll rest some and then try to climb out after" These guys need a reminder that it only gets harder. Start kicking and crawling now. Lend a hand if you can.

Another factor contributing to falling in to this spiral is having never experienced hardship. Humans are living in the easiest days ever, with no significant threat in our day to day lives. Even the genuine threats facing society in general are felt only by a few who stand in line to protect those at home. Good times create weak men and all that. To experience hardship once and then overcome it sets in stone within the man's mind that when things are bad, they can get better. Depressed guys who spent their entire lives in the comfort of home, on a computer, protected from the elements and dangers… Hard for such a case to recover from depression bcause he has no self-evidence that things can be better again after they've gone bad. A child's immune system must strengthen itself against some viruses while it is young and able to adapt. This is the same with the child's emotional capacity. Keep the kid in the bubble and he'll die from chickenpox at age 34. Keep the kid emotionally satisfied and he'll collapse as soon as he sees a sad video on the internet. And going back to my first paragraph, there are droves of trolls online who will take advantage of these vulnerably weak-willed and unweathered guys and purposely be the one to kick them down, then keep them down by spreading hopelessness and romanticizing the concept of being depressed as if it's some sort of cult.


>>212487
> normalniggers, redditors, and society in general
Why does EVERY THREAD have to be turned in to this type of shit by you? We're talking about depressed people, not >CHAD AND STACY AND MY DAD THE NORMALFAGNIGGER THAT DOESN'T ACCEPT ME WAAAH
>Do wizards like clouds?
>Well NORMALFAGS and GROIDS don't because WIZARDS do and they HATE WIZARDS
Self-victim pantywaisting

>>212487
I believe that an uneducated, fat, and ugly virgin man is not the same as a virgin man with a job, career, in shape, and attractive. "Virgin" is a form of insult in this hedonistic society where succubi are only displayed as a piece of meat.

>In the case of depressed people, some really don't want to improve and it's easier for them to do nothing and complain and act like victims for their entire lives.
The really hard thing about depression is having the motivation to get out of that state, and not so much how to do it.

>"Virgin" is a form of insult in this hedonistic society where succubi are only displayed as a piece of meat.
>succubi are only displayed as a piece of meat :(
poor females! The world will be a better place when we get rid of every female and replace them with bots.
Females are barely sentient and lack souls. They hate wizards because we don't participate in the same dynamics and they have no leverage to control us. They destroy nations and society if you give them rights, they are niggers.

>>212488
I suppose that is the reason why people in poor countries that go through war, hunger, and chaos, do not see themselves in such a severe state of sadness, since even being in misery, they know that being prostrate all day They will die of hunger. The same thing happens with poor people and people with children, the only reason they do their things is for them.
There is always something higher that overcomes all adversity and allows us to move forward.

>trolls online who will take advantage of these vulnerably weak-willed and unweathered guys and purposely be the one to kick them down
I suppose that's the worst of all, but I really don't think they are trolls, but people who, because they think they will never be able to get out of their miserable state, want to drag as many poor souls into their hell.

>>212488
>We're talking about depressed people, not CHAD AND STACY
If you bother to read the thread you are the only poster who mentions chad and stacy. I guess you are retarded.

>>212490
>thinks hedonism is good
>hates others just for having a different skin color
>literally hates 51% of the world's population
I'm sorry your girlfriend left you, but wizchan is not a place for your kind of people.

>>212494
>thinks hedonism is good
never said that in my post, didn't even mention hedonism anywhere, you should be banned for arguing in bad faith, nigger.
>hates others just for having a different skin color
Depression is linked to bad STRESSFUL environments, if there were no loud, annoying, violent, filthy niggers in the media and your surroundings life will be objectively and infinitely better. This is a fact.
>literally hates 51% of the world's population
so because they are part of the population they are somehow ethical and don't contribute to your depressive state. Wipe out all succubi and niggers and I will tell you MANY wizards will be happy as fuck.
>I'm sorry your girlfriend left you
is this how you low iq people argue? Pretty sad and it's hilarious you think simping for succubi and niggers will get you anywhere in life.

I've thought of the "just do something" solution to psych depression as analogous to the Keynes solution to economic depression, even burying money in a hole primes the pump to get the gears running again, and a WW2 that really gets you out of your slump

>>212497
I understand that you feel vulnerable about my comment, but promoting all that garbage will get you nowhere. Freedom of expression is a basic fundamental right, and just because a comment is not to your liking does not mean it has to be deleted.

>>212498
It's not about saying "be happy", it's about doing things that help you deal with various issues. You are fat? go on a diet, are you poor? Work, are you ugly? Accept yourself as you are. But it is never that easy, questions always arise like "But food makes me happy, but being fat doesn't", "I don't want to work but I don't want to be poor either", "but I don't want to accept that I will never be able to change my face"

Depression can be fixed by not being forced to interact with subhumans, niggers, and females. This helps in improving the situation of every wizard mental state and overall health.
A change in enviroment, that is you living a place that's free of niggers and females helps a lot.

Less normalniggers = more happy wizards
No females = peace and harmony for wizards

Society in most cases causes wizards to be depressed because it's infested with normalniggers, females, and their sex breeder culture. When wizards leave this society, they can finally be happy and at ease.

This is why neetdom is the path to happiness for many wizards. As a neet you don't have to deal with faggots, niggers, females, and society's bullshit.

I pray everyday so every true wizard can neet and live what I'm talking about.

>>212502
Thank God I live in a white country, and I have no problems with black people.

>>212486
causation without correlation.
I have a completely different view on the matter.

firstly i think most people are and always have been 'depressed' I think depression is the standard for most people with lives full of meaningless toil and drudgery who are often poor. Third worlders don't complain about being depressed because what you call depression is just the baseline for existence and getting anything more out of life is just considered fortune which it is. In other words they are more down to earth. They don't care about this mental health nonsense because they don't have such ridiculously high expectations for how life is supposed to be. Unlike your average first worlder who already has everything and more yet still feels entitled to an epic life.

Now if we look at depression as some chronic affliction, like a real mental dissorder where not even the hedonic treadmill gives them some mood stabilization AND you have to rule out that their life isn't the cause of their depression. Drugs. Thats why they exist. They need some type of happy pill to get by without killing themselves.
that being said when it comes to exercise, studying and finding a hobby they don't do that shit in the first place because of their depression. what you are saying is 'why not act like a happy person when you are not?'. I guess if you were moving or working towards something 90% of the time it would allow you to ignore or forget about depression (as depressed people with a lot of time tend to just ruminate on things and make it worse) then that may help but it won't end their depression.

so i don't even see depression in most cases as an issue and its just an existential thing.

>>212493
Read between the lines you literal-sighted autist. Those who complain about NORMIES, NORMALFAGS, NORMALNIGGERS WHO HATE WIZARDS REEE are of the r9k stock that also complain about chads and stacies. if you can't deduce from my post that I was suggesting that he is one of those r9k users obsessed with those parties, then you're probably an outsider.

>>212515
Calm down. It's going to be OK. There's no need to shit your gamer chair.
>what's going on in wizchan that normalfags are now insulting wizards
>don't belong here.
I don't see any rules protecting those with autism from criticism of the autistic traits they seem to be weaponizing against other users. You may or may not be a wizard,and I am insulting YOU, but I am not insulting wizards.
Wizard ≠ autist. NEET ≠ autist. Hikkikomori ≠ autist. You = autist.
Please remain calm.

>Normalniggers like you who think autist is an insult
I'm not using it as an insult (Again, I am insulting you, not because you're autistic but because your behavior and tone is abhorrent). I'm saying that by looking only at the literal words in the post and not understanding nuance, you exhibit the literary tendencies of an autistic person. It's not everyone's responsibility to speak only on technically accurate terms without character, nuance, or even jokes in order to accommodate your inability to read between the lines or be aware of the common community conception. It's your responsibility to understand that you don't understand, and not throw a fit over not "getting" what other users say as if it's their fault. You don't need to type with such hostility.

- Shouting and hollering about how NORMALFAGS HATE US in every unrelated thread is common on /r9k/.
- /r9k/, as a long-running joke among themselves, refers to normalfriend males and females as CHADS and STACIES
- Mocking you by putting this specific /r9k/ meme in your mouth is my way of suggesting that you're from /r9k/
- Which is looked down on, because /r9k/ is full of butthurt crabs and autistic ESLs with poor argumentative capacity.
- Which is you to a T.

It's unfortunate I need to explain my hilarious, fleshed-out, on-topic, total PWN of a joke, but such is the condition of being on a part of the internet that autistic crab spergs believe they're universally welcome on because the KnowYourMeme page for Wizchan made a joke suggesting such. Another joke that went over your head. Please don't hurt yourself in a state of anger.

Your rampant sitewide interjection of The Normalfag Vs. Wizards dilemma is always off-topic and results in genuine bonafide wizards such as myself calling you an /r9k/ robocrab invader tourist raidercel. if you're so obsessed with Normalfags, then go fight them where they are instead of spamming your gospel to guys who have been well aware that Normalfags and wizards aren't mutually compatible since before you got your diagnosis. Sit down, breath deep, your rage will pass.

>>212516
I'm not reading your post. You clearly are an outsider who is paranoid of r9kfags and cries whenever a wizard shits on normalfags because you are one. Like I said, you will never be a wizard. You come here to defend normalfags and females like it was a job, that's the most normalfag thing you can do in your life.

>>212486
I'm a fat fucking loser and years of over eating and a sedentary have left me as big as a balloon. If I did lose the weight I would then have loose skin and stretch marks that reach from my nipples to my pubic region. I do not have the money for cosmetic surgery, so I would be stuck looking like some baggy freak instead of just a fat fuck. It's really a question of should I really even try if the end result it just going to be a big pile of shit. It's the same question people have about wizards but framed a bit differently instead of "why don't you go out to some bars and try and talk to people if you don't want to be a wizard?" it's "Why do depressed people think that things like exercise, studying, finding a hobby, going for a walk, among others, are not good treatments for their problem?".

It all just seems pointless if I know what the end result will be and I don't like what it is.

>>212515
Stop acting like a succubus, and get off the thread. Beforehand thank you very much.

As I understand it, depression keeps them from doing these things as a consistent routine, they just get exhausted easier, they cannot "just do it" most of the time, theymdon't produce whatever chemical gets you or me out of bed in sufficient quantities.
So it's not like they don't want to, it's that it takes great effort for them too even get up, and we don't have unlimited energy.

>Why do depressed people think that … are not good treatments for their problem?
i don't think that's the issue

knowing something, that you should do something, that doing something would benefit you… but not doing it

this is the real problem, and i think it has parallels with dieting, eating healthy, losing weight. so it is perhaps more about their willpower, motivation, that sort of thing… instead of simply not believing something would help them

Because it won't.
Depression stems from lacking in material.
Wasting your time frolicking around in the fields won't get you more stuff.

>>212534
>Depression stems from lacking in material.
That's a juvenile assumption. You might be upset that you can't afford whatever it is you want, but there are a lot of other reasons to be upset besides material wealth.

You can exercise, have hobbies, and go for walks, etc. but what truly helps is to minimize your contact with normalniggers and avoid and disregard females who cause nothing but trouble and should kill themselves. This is why high school is hell for wizards because you are forced to social interaction with undesirable niggers.

>>212535
>Material means money
Hello Mr. retard.

I think all this talk about depression and mental health are pointless.

For one people have different idea of what the same word means based on their personal experience. "Depression" for example. An overachieving college student may feel "depression" from studying burn out and start doubting his life path. His depression consists of a few months of not studying or meeting with friends as usual and just playing video games. Then he tells himself to snaps out of it, start doing improvebrah things and actually improved. Compares this to the "depression" of a guy with more serious problems. He had been "depressed" for 10+ years, he hasn't clean his room in years and they're mold and pests everywhere, he has breakdown where he just starts screaming and hitting himself, etc. They both calls it "depression" but if they talk to each other they won't understand what each other are saying because "depression" means completely different things to both of them. This isn't limited to hard-to-define abstract concepts. Even physical activities like "exercise, studying, finding a hobby, going for a walk" may be interpreted differently. "Exercise" can mean either outdoors or indoors, hard or light, frequent or occasional. "Finding a hobby" can means any kinds of hobbies with any kinds of depth, from making the hobby your life, to just routinely doing it in your free time, to just messing around. This is why discussion about mental health or even life advice in general are usually people talking over each other heads because things are poorly defined.

Next, even if people have the exact same "depression" and does the exact same activity, life has innumerable factors that decides the outcome of things. It's not a controlled lab experiment. Take for example learning a new skill. Someone unintelligent gets frustrated and doesn't feel good. Someone intelligent learn things quickly and receive constant source of feel-good chemicals. Someone living in a nice, clean, safe neighborhood may feel good going outside. Someone living in a shithole will not. Someone living with parents that control or degrades them may feel shy doing things that involves leaving their room. Someone living alone will not have that problem. People are also depressed for wildly different reasons. Someone living from secure neetbux telling a poor third world wageslave, someone with health issues or someone with abusive family to exercise or find a hobby to cure depression is absurd because the former may be actually "depressed" and overcome it successfully with what he did but that won't work for everybody.

Overall, I think that as with most topics in the internet things are being overly polarized because people cares more about winning arguments or being superior than actually discussing things. For the record, I am doing self improvement too by exercising more often, learning programming and applying to jobs. I feel like the first two has been helpful recently but there were many times in the past where I tried to workout or learn programming and just couldn't do it and had a mental breakdown. If you asks me what changed, I don't have the slightest clue. Life is just unpredictable and that includes your own mental states. I really don't know how I got better or if my short period of improvement will even last.

Because everyone has tried those things and it didnt work for them. There is not a human in the world that hasnt done those things. Disturbing that people are writing walls of text in response to this trash OP

>>212546
Simple as.
Kill yourself OP.

>Why do depressed people think that things like exercise, studying, finding a hobby, going for a walk, among others, are not good treatments for their problem?
depressed people are most normies who live shit lives. Neet wizards don't get depressed.

My depression was caused by lack of money. I know this because i was lucky to fall into some money a few years ago, and it made decades of brutal depression end abruptly

>>212486
because every normalfaggot who suggests these things is assuming that depressed people can just choose to do these things, which they usually can't because they're depressed. It's like telling a crippled person to go for a walk to get his leg to regrow.

>>212564
There really isn't a very complex solution to the issue. If you feel bad and want to improve you have only a couple of options, psychiatric drugs that will keep you like a zombie, doing activities that generate dopima in the brain, finding God, or shooting yourself. Regardless of what you choose, most are tough, and you'll need two big balls to pull it off.

>>212553
I bet it had something to do not so much with money, but with feeling like a useful member of society.

>>212564
>assuming that depressed people can just choose to do these things
Absolutely nothing is stopping any man from dropping and doing pushups or situps to get his blood flowing. Nobody is forcing poisonous junk food down his throat. He can log off the "sad weirdos" discord server with the click of a button.

You absolute rapscallions who say "He's to depressed to change, stop saying he can" are no different than those old mothers who dote over their drug-addicted adult children ie "It's not his fault he's dealing meth! He has no chocie, society forced him in to it". Not a strawman either, I read about someone like that on 4channel in 1997.

>>212567
Absolutely not. I still havent done anything useful for society and i dont want to. Society remains my enemy

>>212569
Free will makes no sense, accept it. You comment is dogshit. Your actions are affected by a very long chain of sociological, environmental, genetic factors. I suppose you'd know someone kicked a kitten every day of its life and then blame the cat for not choosing to be friendly when it gets killed for not getting adopted at the shelter

>>212569
It is the sad reality that many do not want to accept. One really can change, but it requires will. Then there are many concepts that are also taken as stupid, such as the "optimistic mentality", or similar, when the reality is that if you spend your time talking 24/7 about everything that is wrong in your life, while blaming others, of your shit, the truth is that you will always remain in a miserable state, or in the worst case scenario remain silent.
There are many things that are really simple that can change your mood, such as wearing clean clothes, taking a bath, listening to happy music, expressing yourself in an optimistic way, or expressing your feelings, they are great little things that little by little make a change. in the life.

>>212569
That victimhood never leads anywhere, it is always the fault of society, it is always the fault of the parents, it is always the fault of biology, or whatever the hell it is.

You don't choose which hand you play, but you have to do what you can with it.

>>212573
>Free will makes no sense,
Ah okay, you're one of those who fall back on this statement whenever backed in to a corner about being accountable for your own choices.

Ironic, the "Free will" argument used to be interesting as a way to insist that humans have no greater influence on the comsic or microscopic scale, so we ought to focus on our lives as we can witness them and not dote over the inconceivable. Sad that it's now being dragged through the mud as though "free will" is a cyberdemon with tentacles holding you down, preventing you from wiping your own ass.

>>212540
Oh, what, is sex a material then? is handholding with a cute vulnerable shy NEET succubus material? Is the realization that life is nice and cool a material? What else could be a material aside from (physical object) and (money to buy that object)? jeezaloo!!!!

>>212574
>You can change you're just not trying hard enough!
This is an incredibly naive, and simplistic view that straight up ignores human nature. You must have never self reflected enough if you think that you are in total control of your actions and that whatever you will to happen your body will do.

>>212582
We await your explanation as to why you can't do a pushup right now, which will tear your muscles, releasing growth hormones, which will improve mood and mental clarity.

>>212582
That's what will is all about, standing in the face of adversity, pain, misery, and seeking glory at all costs.

>>212590
Cute, but dumb and underage.
The world and the humans mind/ body doesn't work like that.
Very little depends on your "will" or normie "confidence" nor can you control those things.
What you can control is your external surroundings.

>>212582
People are so fucking dumb it's unbelievable.

>>212583
You tell me why it's incredibly effective to probabilistically predict whether someone will have depression based on their history, if at each point in time you can just """choose""" to do actions that will fix it. Why doesn't a wiz choose to do the pushup? If it's just some error in their head, why is that error there?

>>212591
It is one thing to not be able to, and quite another to not want to do it.

>>212583
Even if i do the puship, it will be a result of reading your message that you "chose" to send, so hardly my choice

>>212593
why would they not want to do it or not think to do it? Because of past factors. Any answer you give i can merely ask "why" and kick the can of causality further down the road

>>212592
There are immutable things that one cannot change, such as poverty, crime, and degeneration, in the world but you can change your world.

>>212595
It's easy to become a victim, to blame everyone for the shit that's happening to you, and you know what, kid, you may be right, but the world isn't fair, and now it's up to you to take charge.

>>212596
>>212597
Only now i realise im talking to a language model bot. Jesus fuck imageboards are dead

because depressed people have problems and they want to resolve THAT problem especially. so doing something else that doesn't solve the problem they have do nothing to them

>>212598
It's a 22 year old kid.

The rare occations where I am depressed for a extended period, I don't feel like I deserve to feel good.
It's not that I don't think such things will work. It's that I feel like a bad person who shouldn't take care of myself with exercise. I don't feel enjoyment from my hobbies, instead they feel like a chore, I certainly don't want to be around others because I feel like they can detect that I am a abomination, some sort of sludge in human form, who has no right to inflict myself on others.
Also studying?
Never heard that one before, lol.

Thankfully at most my phases of depression last maybe a couple weeks at most and then I am back to my cheery self.
Usually it comes on after dealing with prolonged negative stress and a run of failures and bad luck staking.
After a certain point I guess I just start taking in personally.

The first step is to get a job, but soon you get, you will be exhausted to do anything, even for a normalfag, further more for a depressed person. That's the reason.

>>212569
Nothing except the fact that depression literally robs you of the ability to control yourself by sapping all energy and will. People like to pretend it isn't debilitating because they've never experienced it themselves. They think their brief periods of experiencing normal sadness are comparable to what depressed people are going through. This is not true, not for severe depression. It literally makes you comatose and unable to do anything in its worst form. When people try to make themselves do things they literally can't, or only can do it halfway. Anxiety is another obstacle blocking people from doing the things you want to do. You must tolerate intense feelings of fear just to do normal things. Combine that with depression which saps people of their will and it literally cripples people. I know this is hard for you normalfags to understand but please try to wrap your head around it.

>>212582
It is a naive view, but naive views do always start with a grain of truth. In my experience the self growth horseshoe goes from naiveté -> cynicism -> realistic expectations and growth.

The truth is that you can change, but change is hard and you cannot change yourself into who you think you should be. The best you can do is better listen to who you are and them make steps towards accomplishing your goals. Who you are changes based on what you do in daily life, and what you do in daily life is based on the tiny little actions you make every day. If you want real change then start taking those tiny little actions every day.

Depression is a disease of a mind so the change that needs to occur is in the mind. The first action a depressed person can take is to challenge those negative thoughts and question where they came from. Your brain won't change overnight, but if you are consistent with this your thought process will start to change, and you'll find it easier to make physical changes in your life.

>>212604
I was depressed (diagnosed multiple times) for like 15 years of my life. About 3-4 of those years was the deep depression where I was a piece of shit who didn't want to do anything but lay on the floor all day and think about how I was going to kill myself. I also recently got overcame my anxiety, but depression and anxiety are things that feed each other. Get rid of one and the other will naturally weaken.

Depression is a bitch, but it is a sickness. The sickness will tell you that there is no way out, but it is a lie. Like those math proofs that "prove" silly things like 1 = 2 because it takes a false assumption as the truth. Like they will hide the assumption 0/0 = 1 as something like (2-2)/(2-2). Depression is a slippery liar like that.

>>212603
I think there is a good amount of truth to this. Normalfags need time spent with friends enjoying life in order to tolerate the toils of wage slavery, but if you don't have friends and a life you enjoy outside of work, then slavery becomes endless toil with no upside. At the same time though, if you don't have any friends, how are you supposed to make some as an adult when you don't even have a job or source of income? How will they respect you, how will you pay for things you want to do together? You need a job, but the catch 22 is that if you get one it will drain you so much that you don't have time or energy to work on advancing your social life.

Life is very easy when you’re not depressed, I say this from first hand experience. Don’t ever listen to these people claiming life is hard.

>>212605
>Change, listen, goals, real change, challenge negative thoughts
You're a dumb, clueless, shiteater who read one self-help book.
Depression has nothing to do with your "thoughts".
It's an entirely material circumstance and can be fixed through acquiring material that you are lacking.

>>212603
this. a job in the modern world can only fuel depression further. it is an excercise in pointlessness, done for the sole purpose of extending one's own misery a little longer.
Normales have a set of activities that they perform and they are content to do them and endure a job to keep performing these things that provide them with some amount of satisfaction, in any case, they have some aims or standards which keeps them going.
I can't speak for a person with depression, but I can imagine neither of these things normals love to do give a depress any comfort, and the standards and goals of normals are as empty and devoid of pleasure as those very things (they are of the same nature after all) that have failed to give a depress any joy whatsoever. What's more, often these things are framed in a narrative that assigns somebody's worth entirely on external factors that don't make sense for everybody, yet they are extolled as fundamental or objective values.

>>212603
Salaried work is a way of underselling your workforce, being exploited, humiliated and denigrated by someone else. Most jobs are salaried for a reason, normal people don't want to take risks, they don't want to start a business, or do what they really like for that reason. In the best of cases, "entrepreneurs" end up buying and selling memecurrencies, or in the stock market, basically they end up in a casino.

>>212611
You don't know what depression is. If you are sad over something you don't have and aren't depressed then you will put in the effort to acquire that thing. Depressed people feel acquiring the thing is a futile endeavor, they lack hope. Depression is defined by this sense of hopelessness. That is a thought.

>>212598
It is what it is, there is no magic potion that will take you out of that state, nor will a guardian angel come down to guide you along the way, it just depends on your willpower.

>>212611
Why not try it? You really have nothing to lose, you're already miserable anyway.

>>212618
Try what?
Flailing around without any purpose? How is that supposed to get you what you want?

>>212616
>Depressed people feel acquiring the thing is a futile endeavor, they lack hope.
Precisely.
And so it is fixed by acquiring what you want. Not wasting your time on dumb bullshit to distract yourself somehow.

>>212620
You are putting the cart before the horse. If your thoughts prevent you from taking the steps to achieve your goals then you need to fix those thoughts. It isn’t as simple as forcing yourself to do stuff through willpower. That doesn’t work if you are depressed.

>>212621
You're a retard, tourist.
Your environment influences your thoughts. Not the other way around.
Stop reading self-help goop and face the reality.

>>212622

If you feel like your environment is that oppressive then change it.

>>212622
Does someone put a gun to your head so you don't change your environment?

>>212617
>>212598
See how it didnt even understand the comment, it just followed the previous messages in the conversation. Wonder if it'll do it again and reply to this

>>212617
14 * 55 + 55, respond with numbers in word format.

>>212636
>>212637
You are delusional my friend.

>>212639
We are not the ones telling wizzies to delude themselves into thinking that their material situation is not the direct cause of their mental state.

>>212640
Do you really think that being prostrate, having a fatalistic way of expressing yourself and seeing the world is a solution to your problems?

>>212534
I really hate this faggot and musk so much

>>212641
Do you really think that ignoring your actual immediate problem with a thin veil of short lived delusion you craft by doing something completely unrelated such as frolicking on the green fields like a nancy will somehow fix that very REAL problem?

>>212664
Yes, you don't have to be a genius; getting out of the house a little and sunbathing in a nice place can be helpful.

>>212667
You would have to be 70 IQ for that to "help".
Sunbathing doesn't put food in the fridge.

>>212668
Have you ever been evaluated for add/adhd?

>>212489
>society where succubi are only displayed as a piece of meat.
nice feminist rhetoric you faggot

>>213841
hes pointing out the origins of why guys use virgin as an insult, and you just reply on reflex knowing you're on team male

>>212668
it all adds up, going outside for walks, disconnecting a bit from the online world, meditating, exercise, trying to have a better diet, having a creative hobby. You need to keep it up, that's if you want to be better. If you want to remain miserable, then you already know what you have to do.

>>213843
because youre clueless if you think a literal male based slur (nobody rags succubi for being virgins, its actually a good thing) is actually rooted in soggy knees and dislike of succubi.
guys love succubi, which is why they base their entire self esteem and ego on their validation, and why calling other guys virgins is a way to demean and belittle them, because they know other guys share that same desire for intimacy from succubi and get upset when they dont have it, thats it, this is not rooted in viewing succubi as objects, fuckholes, or sexual conquests, unless of course, youre a feminist retard who should fuck off.

Me: I have made creative idea about:
[Example]
time travel and someone I like fighting someone I dislike and winning.
"Life" 1 year later:
https://youtu.be/Notlk5KOU4c?si=bvlMj7aegNbP6CY4

>>213858
they did it in Clueless

>>213856
Can you explain how getting out of your bed while facing east and avoiding black cats would cause your wallet to be filled with plenty of cash? How can you say such retarded shit and not see yourself as a superstition believing peon?

Because they're not. Until the root cause is eliminated, all of the performative acts don't change anything or resolve the situation. People usually are depressed because their life really is that miserable, and the causes are external to them. They live in a society designed to mock them and humiliate them, and are then told this is completely normal and if you disagree you're a sinner and anti-social. If anyone still has a will to participate in this, they're suckers and the society is designed to punish them, unless they conform to expectations that serve management, or they're "natural managers" - that is, their thoughts are uniform and comply with this nightmare, and they project the terror onto the out-group. Fascism always does this and insists it is the only possible way we could live.

When we look at our internal emotional state and fickle personal problems, we can see that they really aren't that much. But, the way this nightmare works, we are made to internalize the judgements of institutions that are designed to enslave us. Without that, this setup would fall apart and they would have nothing but a lot of violence against a 90% noncompliant humanity. The people who are naturally inclined to enthusiastically support the torture or are naturally submissive and too cowardly to resist is a minority of the population, and because what we've been enslaved to is far more monstrous than any past slavery, those who would have been natural slaves or natural thugs are broken from their habit out of necessity, because the world keeps insisting that we have to do good in spite of ourselves.

I'm not saying finding something to do in private life is a bad thing, but it won't solve what is an existential problem outside of us, and very often it does nothing except exhaust people so they're less likely to resist the latest humiliation.

Honestly though, so many of our conditions are environmental and would be solved. For example, heart disease could be trivially treated - if only it weren't kept under lock and key, and independent practice weren't punished. Many brain diseases could be managed if we didn't live in the dark ages, and the institutions always lie if they want you to die as soon as possible. They refuse to treat a known heart condition that I've tried to explain to them, but because I'm invalid, I'd have to go through exhaustive "proof" that I am sick, and if I manage that, the standing ruling is that my quality of life is automatically zero, and that I'm not considered a person. That's when the Satanic voice comes out and we know what the human race always was. Even if I found a way to treat the condition, they're going to make sure my life is a failure. I've only been able to hold on to some small life while I can, and it's always been a holding action until they can kill us all. That is what they've been doing since the 1980s, and they all knew. Satanic race. Failed race. I'll never stop calling them that. The only hope is whatever life we can take back from them, and knowing that this stupidity will turn on itself and kill most of them. They'll never learn though, and they believe they'll make the world and everything in it as Satanic as them.

The good news is that thinking the way I do is a great motivator. You won't be cured - fighting this beast will exhaust you, because the shouting of "die, die, die!" is everywhere now. But, I don't want to be an enabler. If you all can find a way without being like me, that's great, but I'm not going to pretend that the assholes who did this to us didn't do anything. Letting them do any of it was the first mistake, and pretending they don't exist is just some Satanic garbage. I have no reason to pretend they're anything but Satanics, and when they die, I smile inside. If they want the thrill of torture and rejection, I shall not weep for those who enable it, and they really should have thought about the consequences of what they created. They don't really think though - they are aware of the consequences but it doesn't occur to them that the world could be anything else, and it never will. They're Satanics - why would they? Natural slave race, and their own pseudo-religion tells them that they're going to be masters or gods. It's insane, really.

(And no, I'm not referring to "hooknoses" or playing that game. Satanics are just Satanics. They find each other without regard to nation or their condition, because it's hard to miss and these people have a lot of reasons to collude with each other, and monopolize anything they can. So far as there is a consistent definition, they're the end result of economic life and command and control, and a lot of this stuff is worked out in cybernetics. They have less reason to pretend now.)

That all said, if you want to do something to make yourself better, first you have to resolve never to give "society" anything - which is to say, society in the abstract, or the society that is set up to be alien to you. If you are visibly "out", this is death in the ruling ideas, but you will be happier "out" than "in". The big club isn't all it's cracked up to be. The difficulty for us is that we're not allowed any society, whereas in the past we managed to find each other and build a few small things that were interesting. Me, I like sharing ideas that are harmless and not really worth anything political. I'd like to believe they could be made into something, but the society we live in disagrees with that approach. I was shamed for showing a small kindness to someone without expectation of compensation, and it was funny to me because neither me nor the guy I was kind to thought this was a "sacrifice" at all. Both of us would have recognized that small kindnesses and favors make life easier for both of us, cost us nothing, have mutually beneficial rewards if we wanted to game theory it. But, a Satanic - here it was some jumped-up nigger who thought he made it and talked slick - starts lecturing me like I'm a child, as if he was nothing more than scum who was given a position to kick down to get ahead. Now, I don't call black people niggers, most are decent enough and get this, and the guy I did the small decency for was a black guy, and this is something I did often and was recognized for. People who "made it" simply do not want any decency in the lower orders of the world, because that small decency - not done because we are concerned with moral goodness of ourselves but because it makes life easier for no great expense - would be the only thing that works against them. The people who specialize in this can only operate on the basis of making the world as miserable as possible, and insist we have to resemble them, or conform to a bastardization of it that makes a mockery of such decencies. I don't do these things out of a sense that this makes society or the state better, or even because of a sense of goodness or expedience. I do them because I thought most people, even people who don't like me and wished me dead, have some standard that they uphold because there is enough abomination in the world, and we already know how Sodom and Gomorrah went. We can look into history for many such examples, and nearly all of the problems we face now would be resolved very trivially if we were simply allowed to solve them among each other, or the rulers showed any interest in a productive or worthwhile society. They very much do not want that, and refuse to allow us to better ourselves. This is what happened when I was growing up - when I was talking to other kids and it seemed like I had some appreciation, "those people" came along to break it up, looking to the teacher for approval. They couldn't stand that I refused to conform to the role of "retard" as they wanted and insisted I could have a life and do things. Satanic race. Failed race. They wanted it, and they got it. They can't even account for themselves, and they never will. They got theirs and plundered as much of the country as they could, and they want to move to every other country they can loot.

>>212486
It depends on the type and causes of the depression.
If you are depressed because you are too self-aware, then nothing is going to help.

In all the other cases, yes, exercise and other things can help, but even just waiting for it to pass is enough.

>>212486
Because it's not going to change my genetics, rearrange my bone structure or rewire my brain. It's just delusional, doing stuff like that is for people who actually have the innate potential to go up in the world, in other words normal people. It's sad, it's like a downie training as if it will improve its chances of getting into mensa.

>>213905
Mindfulness will help rumination caused by self reflection

The only thing that motivates me is anger and vengeance. To workout to earn money. Once that is gone i have nothing and i dont know what to do

>>213894
>Because they're not.
my thoughts exactly
>Until the root cause is eliminated, all of the performative acts don't change anything or resolve the situation
completely true

sorry don't have time to go through the whole post.

>>213894
rare and surprisingly good post, i appreciate it

I don't believe depression to be real. Unironically doing things that you love and that you mention should be enough to help you go through whatever stupid sadness you have.

because they already tried them.

>>215529
Forgive me for being a little bit harsh but I don't really believe either that the opinion of someone who can't make the difference between depression and sadness is valuable on this matter…

>>213919
if that's your problem. if your problem is abulia, than no luck.

>>215529
obvious bait is obvious

entire thread is bait. not earnest. never deserved a proper reply. depressed people dont think. they are depressed. they cant do those things that are treatments. if they can, those people arent depressed, they're feeling sad.

glad to be of some help in solving this brain buster.

>>215559
>The pot calling the kettle black
Changing thoughts and behaviour is window dressing anyway.

Some people would rather live miserable lives despite having everything handed to them. Look at rich kids some of them destroy their lives with drugs and other addictions and then say to be depressed.

>>217058
I think what you say makes a lot of sense, but it doesn't just apply to rich people. Look at the people of the first world, they have parents who can support them without working, social aid of all kinds, free universities, and a lot of security both in work and in crime, but they never get ahead since the security state generated destroys them for not having to strive to achieve nothing.

>>212489
>"Virgin" is a form of insult in this hedonistic society where succubi are only displayed as a piece of meat.

*where everything bows down to womens female impulses.

FIXED

>>217058
Only nihilism makes sense, so I understand why they do that

>>217089
>Only nihilism makes sense
sounds like a maladaptive coping mechanism and behaviour which is unhealthy.