/wiz/ - Wizardry

>>221020
In general I'd say no, but I have a disorder that requires a specific form of treatment (OCD). I tried it on my own, but I must've been doing something wrong because the thoughts just didn't stop. The only reason I went to a "professional" in the first place was so I could do it "the right way". In the end it was all up to me anyway, I either choose to engage in compulsions or I don't. But I will say, there's something mildly cathartic about dumping all your problems on an "expert" and having him sort them out for you.

>>221020
I tried therapy and they just threw antipsychotics at me. The side effects were so bad it ruined my career for two decades. Worst decision I've ever made and I absolutely despise anyone who suggests that I do it again.

No, the only thing that will help NEETs is a federal job guarantee. Therapy would be a waste of time for all parties involved.

>>221020
Therapy only works on NPCs with no capacity for self-reflection. If you can already self-reflect, the therapist will probably just tell you what you already know.

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/men-will-literally-have-completely

>If you have no ability to systematically think about and solve your problems, you should probably tell all your problems immediately to someone who does, and maybe this person could be a therapist.

>But also: people vary really widely in their ability to do something sort of like hold a conversation with themselves - for example, some people totally lack an inner monologue. Nobody has ever checked if those people benefit from therapy more, and I don't want to actively predict that they would. But I know that I talk things over with myself a lot. Does this help me stay emotionally stable? Not sure; seems plausible. If I didn't have an inner monologue, maybe the only way I could get that same effect would be by talking them over with another person.

>Other people obsessively seek external reassurance. I talked here about the phenomenon of hypochondriacs who go to their doctor to be told that their latest concern (maybe the 25th time they had a certain symptom) isn't worth worrying about, same as the last 24 times. They're not even asking for an x-ray or something! They're just happy to hear the doctor say the words "given that your last 24 symptoms were nothing, I'm assuming this one isn't anything either". Then they are delighted and go home! I sometimes think about this by analogy to "you can't tickle yourself" - some people can't reassure themselves either, and are very happy to hear thoughts they could have easily generated themselves coming from other people's mouths. Are these some of the people who benefit from therapy? Seems plausible.

>>223299
you could've told them it didnt work and they would've given you another option

>>221024
Therapy is just an extremely overpriced way of getting to talk to a physical person for a bit.

only money can help you. therapy is thowing money away.

I'm not seeing a well meant therapist saying the LDAR NEET lifestyle is going to be okay.

>>221020
>to become something better?
So a wageslave?
Well this is wizchan 2025, what the fuck did i expect.

>>223355
>he doesn't know
In anno domini 2025 you can be both a wageslave and a kissless hugless handholdless virgin crab with no hope on either front

You NEETs are basically a privileged elite.

>>223359
My obvious point is that being wageslave is not something better.

>>221020
It depends, not everyone is a NEET for the same reason. for example therapy might work if you're a NEET because of some trauma, but If you're a lazy faggot who just doesn't want to work then all the therapy in the world won't help you.

>>223378
What I disagree with is the implication that a wizard cannot be a wageslave or that it is even implicitly an upgrade.

If you're a NEET in a sustainable manner (i.e., not leeching off your aging parents), you're ahead of someone who has to wagecuck to survive.

I tried therapy for a few times when I was a crab and I always wondered why it was useless for me. I had a realization after two experiences.
First, I was in a therapy session with that succubus. I was venting to her how I was feeling lonely. She just laughed at me and said that I have it good compared to her succubi clients who were in abusive realtionships.
My second experience was when I was looking for a therapist on a big online plaform in my country. Looking for a therapist that specializes in my disorder, I noticed one thing… They all deal with some sort of a relationship problem. Trust issues, past abuse, conflicts in realtionships, you name it. Rows and rows of succubi therapists who deal with some vaiety of relationship drama.
Then it dawned on me.
Therapy is not for wizzies. It's also not for mentally ill people. It's ONLY for partnered people and ONLY for already established interpersonal relationships. If you have some sort of mental health issue and you are not a succubus daiting a bad boy, good luck finding something helpful.

>>224375
well said
I think therapy is not meant to make the patient's life better, but to make the patient a more functional member of society, and to teach the patient to draw some kind of satisfaction from being useful

also it's no coincidence that so many therapists are succubi
they get off on drama, they are in that business not with the intention of helping anyone, but to hear the drama

therapy is a fucking joke
I'd rather go to a shaman, have him feed me some fucked up mushrooms, and rearrange my mind

>>224376
>I think therapy is not meant to make the patient's life better, but to make the patient a more functional member of society
It's not even that. Therapy nowadays is not a mental health treatment, it's a commodity or a service within mental wellness industry. Kinda like you pay for a crocheting class or something. And it's a service for already well-adjusted people who are already memebers of the soceity.
Therapy doesn't mean to heal mentally ill people lol. It's more like a luxury serivce at this point. A spa salon for your brain, except at least spa does make you feel better.

>>221098

Kek

>>224378
I met two succbi in such sessions that conveyed this to me as such while trying to get meds. The first pointedly noted how expensive therapy was if I was already in dire financial straits. The second was while I was unemployed and on medicad. I hated wait for like 4 hours for an appointment and the lady confessed how poorly funded her clinic was she'd see guys just sleeping in the waiting room for 8 hours and never get an appointment. Government claims to give a fuck about you, but only if you are suicidal. It's like treating a long term illness with an ER visit.

>>221020
Depends on the causes of being a NEET. If it's depression and [social] anxiety, sure, pharmacological treatment has potential to be quite effective. There are three catches however:

First, you need to have a treatment selected, which is nearly impossible to do in sensible time (less than decades) on ambulatory sessions. Initial treatment must be formulated for a patient stationed at medical facility with all resuscitation equipment at hand, since some drugs can be rather potent and not entirely predictable in combinations and individual reactions, which in ambulatory setting cannot be prescribed at required dosages without endangering the patient immediately, but have to be gradually ramped up. Even then, it won't be perfect and will have a ton of side-effects that would need constant corrections and adjustments, but that can be done ambulatorly on weekly/monthly visits.

Second, is the length of the process. Even initial selection of treatment in ideal stationary conditions would take from several months to a year, since most drugs have accumulated effect and changing treatment may require several weeks to purge old ones from the system (still much faster than months or a year in case of ambulatory sessions – for just one iteration). Then main therapy with tolerable pharmacological scheme is likely to take several years to yield major results (i.e., actually getting a job) and may not be terminated until results are finalized, which may take on the scale of 5 to 10 years.

Third, this is naturally a rather major undertaking, which someone in depression and without source of income has negligible chance to pull of by himself, so someone must walk patient through it, invest their mental and material resources for patient's benefit and be persistent enough over the years to make sure meds are taken on time. Maybe a parent or some other kind of meaningfully concerned relative is required.

>>221020
I can recommend it, it helped me a lot. Resolving some parent issues and some paranoia I've been having. I went for a little over a month, like five session tops.

Though I've heard some bad stories, I definitely recommend the therapist to be a man, not a succubus. Also do not admit illegal shit, do not take expensive pills, that alter your neural chemistry.

talking NEETs into feeling good?


>>221031
And then your parent SHATTERS your pink glasses of positivevthinking ahaha. "Sonny, WHO you were talking to? What kind of sectantic info have they dropped on your ears?"

>>221098
holy shit I relate to this so much LMAO

>>221026
>just having a job after years of NEETdom must feel like hell.
it does

>>221020
>become something better?
a wageslave?

Anyway, "NEET" doesn't mean shit. It depends on what mental illness you have (if any). Not specifying this can only lead to generic answers, which is not a big deal though

>>224475
wtf is this nonsense copypasta
that's not how psych drugs work

>>221020
No, lol

Why would it? Can anyone explain the deification of therapy?

>psychotherapy help?
It could, if you have just kind of wrong mindset, psychotherapy can help you change your mindset. Now, if you have a genuine mental illness like schizophrenia, psychotherapy won't help you if you don't take medications.

It won't cure autism or ADHD
Maybe it can make you find ways to go around it but you could ask chatgpt instead of paying money to some bitch

Therapists come with an additional perspective so they can help.

They won't cure permanent conditions but they can help spot if something can be improved.

If there's help, just take it. You can choose whether to use the advice in the end.

>>226008
I believe that therapy mostly works for normal people with normalfag problems. Schizophrenia and the like cannot be cured by it. Also depressed wizzies without such hardwired mental illness but still outliers of society rarely profit from therapy I suppose. The problems are too severe. A combination of medication plus therapy might be more promising but the thing is it won't solve the problem at its core only extend the perseverance of how much shit you can endure to hold down a job and not violate social norms. Eventually all therapy is designed to reintegrate you to the job market and make you a (economically) valuable member of society.

>>226006
Must be a bot and/ or copy pasted from ai with misleading inputs from the user.

Imagine you were the therapist for a second. Then the patient is your primary source of income. The patient becomes your working material, and you want to have material from which you can make money. Say, a dentist would have no base to exist, if there were no teethes. And unhealthy teethes means that there’s more to for the dentist and that means he has more tasks which he then can cash up. For the therapist this means that he needs to have unhealthy psyches to have more tasks which he then can cash up. It’s kind of important for the therapist that the therapy does not end after the first few settings, its systematically not in his interest to cure the patient ‘too quickly’. In the case of 4 sessions, let’s say 100 $ per session per week, the therapist makes 400 $ from a single patient, but if he can extend the therapy to 24 sessions he makes 2400 dollar from the same patient.

Now let’s take this a step further. The therapist profits from an increasing number of mentally ill persons on the ‘market’ as potential clients for his business. There are incentives to make people feel mentally ill so they go to a therapist. Also, he’s not alone in this, there are other therapists out there, so he has to prevail against the competition. Now, how would the therapist increase his chances to prevail? Collusion and cartel structures between therapists, but obviously not as straight forward as actual business cartels but in a much more covert way. There are not only therapists out there, there’s a whole industry built around mental illness – psychologists, psychiatrists, neurologists, clinics, rehabs, significant parts of the pharma industry (production, distribution, apothecary), research facilities (psychology, neuroscience), health insurance funds, institutions of the state, journalism. All these players need a right to exist and this is given to them by the human psyche capable of being ill. Now what’s happening is that increasing parts of the human psyche are pathologized. That means, that more and more behaviors, thought patterns, emotions, psychosomatic symptoms etc. are classified as part of mental illness. The ‘healthy’ parts of our overall spectrum of inner experience which our consciousness can theoretically display and produce become narrower through this classification while the pathological parts become largely extended. Same goes for the observable external expressions which we physically display (behavior), increasing parts of become pathologized and healthy parts become narrower.

Now, the individual is not unaffected by this. They will start to see these mental ill aspects in themselves and identify with it. There are at least three important mechanisms to name here: 1. For the normal person it’s important, that having a mental illness is socially acceptable and that he’s not treated as a misfit in his social circles if he goes to the therapist. And this is what happened over the last decades, the normalization of mental illness and therapy and even psycho pharmacy. The medial depiction of it has a big part in this. Now not only are they not despised or excluded in many social settings, they might even be applauded when they talk about there mental illness and therapy. 2. Also the typical depressed wizard kind, or people of the autistic spectrum, and other very self-aware introverted people more likely will attempt therapy. What I mean is, in the past only the extreme, severely cases would receive psychiatric treatment, but now it’s open to people who think, there might be something wrong with them, and it’s much easier to just seek treatment, the thresholds are lower. 3. The internet gives access to quick and easy research about the topic of mental illness. So everyone can find never ending lists of symptoms of countless different mental illnesses and will likely find something where they find themselves represented in one or multiple of these checklists. Additionally the anonymity of the internet combined with trannyism, glorifying female attributes, streamer culture, reddit, social media and so on is very approving of mental illnesses. The inhibition to admit a personal mental illness is low. It could even be argued that today you kind of have to have some kind of mental illness to fit in, to be accepted in the community. Some might say, it’s weird if you never have had a mental illness in your life and that there’s probably something very wrong with you. Also, a fancy mental illness makes you interesting and people might value you for it. So the premises for social acceptance in some cases are flipped.

All of this concludes that the person finding clues that he might have mental illness will sooner or later attribute this to themselves and then go to the doctor or therapist. This is where the circle closes.

There is more to say about this surely, there are other social movements and technological advancements that contribute to the whole psychiatrization of society. There’s also more to say about how the development of consciousness and language in the first place made it possible that the human mind could be described as ill. But that’s for another day.

>>226119
The more depressing and depraved the real world is for the 99%, the more profit therapists and pharma companies can reap off depressed people.

The quarterly growth and increased stock valuation of these companies relies on millions of new people systematically becoming depressed.

>>226119
Not everyone is a scammer out there to take advantage of you.

If someone wanted to scam money out of people there is are far more effective ways then becoming a therapist.

>>226119
Don't listen to this dude, he bitter and probably pathologically paranoid, of course there are grifters out there but not all therapist are grifters.

>>226127
>If someone wanted to scam money out of people there is are far more effective ways then becoming a therapist.
damn nigga you are dumb. the scams are fucking everywhere, are you really that fucking blind that you dont see them or are you just retarded?
the therapist jew is just one of many jew faggots that take advantage of you im every way imaginable.

Lets look at nutrition, jew companys like Monsanto (owned by Big Pharma Bayer) create toxic goyslop "food" that makes people deformed and retarded.
when they grow up deformed and retarded they get all kinds of diseases. these diseases need treatment so now you are hooked up to medications, medications that make you even more crippled and retarded.
damn now you are a drug addicted cripple, you also get scammed by the therapist with more pills and you also need a trip to the dentist to fix your fucked up teeth, thats more $$$ they extract from you.
of course you pay health insurance which in some places is mandatory, the health insurance scams even more money out of you.
but you also go to wagecuck work and the money you earn is taxed, then you take your taxed money to buy fuel for your car or the goyslop food and on these purchases as any other you pay taxes on your taxed money too. you get double and triple taxed.
you also pay rent to a jew so you are allowed to live in a shoebox apartment that keeps getting smaller and more expensive.
rich investment jews import 3rd worlders to pump their gay and fake economy, niggers that want to rape and murder you and steal your shit and eat you alive, they commit the most disgusting crimes imaginable and if they commit crimes against you, they walk free because the judges are all jewish and bribed.
there are pointless laws and rules that apply for some people but not for others.
on top of that taxed money of yours, whatever is left of it is hyperinflating and losing value so jews are scamming you again.
maybe you get unlucky and drafted into a jewish war where you have to fight pointless unwinnable battles that only create value for jewish shareholders.
eventually you die and the jewish run government steals your organs, confiscates your possesions etc.
or maybe you end up in prison for some bullshit, in prison they force you to wagecuck for free, another scam.
life is overall a fucking scam, I didnt even mention all of them, the shitty world these jew boomers build is disgusting hell and trust me a jew will have no problem to find a scam for you they always do because everything is a scam.

Dear GOD/GODS and/or anyone else who can HELP ME (e.g. MEMBERS OF SUPER-INTELLIGENT ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS):

The next time I wake up, please change my physical form to that of FINN MCMILLAN of SOUTH NEW BRIGHTON at 8 YEARS OLD and keep it that way FOREVER.

I am so sick of this chubby Asian man body!

Thank you!

- CHAUL JHIN KIM (a.k.a. A DESPERATE SOUL).

>>226130
so?

you will be stuck with a "miniature body struggles" mandatory psychological support group, that will actually incorporate the idea of being imperfect, layer by layer


boom

you're now lamenting over your nee body

guess you were lamenting in your previous life also, dying of starvation as a starving African kid

>>226128
>>226127
Neither of you understood what I tried to say. Yes, the therapist needs you to extract money you can't deny this. Yes there's an industry which helps to secure income because of mental illness, you can't deny this neither. But what I'm really saying is, and I say this as someone who is depressed and suicidal myself for over a decade, and actually will start therapy in some time, is something else: the pathologization of people through the popularization of psychology and psychiatry got out of hand and it's a serious threat to humans; the capacity of the human mind to make itself sick simply by regarding itself as sick is a risk which has never been there in history. Modern science and medial presentation enhanced this to a whole new level and I believe this is a danger to many. I don't say: the evil Jews, the evil therapists, the evil psychiatric industry -:all that is just a symptom of something more darker, a process of misguided mental energies disconnected from concrete intentions of individuals. People on large scale start to see themselves as psychologically unhealthy and alienated from themselves and their identity and this is not something to celebrate. I believe that we will see a shift in the next years coming regarding the general public merit of psychology, for better or worse.

>>226130
>e.g. MEMBERS OF SUPER-INTELLIGENT ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS
Are you really an alien? Don't bother replying if you're not

>>226136
>all that is just a symptom of something more darker, a process of misguided mental energies disconnected from concrete intentions of individuals. People on large scale start to see themselves as psychologically unhealthy and alienated from themselves and their identity and this is not something to celebrate.

This Gaia-Tay Earth has been converted into a set of "universe-25" menageries aka megalopolices successfully

>>226138
Yea

NEETs exist because society tolerates us with billions of dollars in gibs. If they took away my monthly paycheck I'd probably go get a job at Domino's or something.

>>221020
I have a feeling you need something PRIVATE to avoid going full Michael DeSanta once your soykaf spills out and makes you scream FUAAAAARK


so *maybe* a nice questionnaire and a smol AI running on your own PC will be more helpful.

So… download a modern LLaMa on your computer to chat with


and a funny A.l.i.c.e.-1966 chatbot to feel the 60 years of difference

>>221760
This is some industrial grade anti-intellectualism.

Personally it helped me a lot. I didn't divulge things that I decided to keep confidential and got help from most of my other troubles I could talk about with a licensed professional. Your mileage will vary from therapist to therapist, but most of them will be able to help you in some way. I should stress that therapy will not help you if you do not have a desire to change and discipline to follow through, otherwise it's just a waste of time. I know some of my friends who have been on therapy for many years and I belive that's just complete bullshit and you are wasting your or someone else's money to vent to a therapist. LLMs also give you bullshit advice, validate your delusions that put you in a bad spot in the first place and they record everything you send to them. Don't divulge your deepest secrets to a bunch of evil companies.

My personal advice to anyone on imageboards seeking advice is to consult a person in person that is already doing well in life and willing to lend some help. I cannot understate how many years I have lost listening to bullshit advice I have read on imageboards, and I highly recommend that - if you have a genuine desire to change - you chart your own fate with your best judgment and a discipline and follow the advice of competent people around you.

I don't understand how therapy can help unless you are lonely and need some sense of security that is brought by talking to a trusted person.
Anyway, all people that shill therapy never explain what they were treating and what the therapist did to help them.
It's like that >>227590 anon described: uh, well, therapy helps, but you need to put in le work and shiiiet…
Okay, if it works, why nobody gives me concrete examples.
I want:
>Their diagnosis
>The symptoms they were treating
>What exactly the therapist did
>How it helped in concrete ways
>How their quality of life improved after therapy
But you never hear that.

>>227591
Do you really think you are entitled to my medical information? That's wild.