/wiz/ - Wizardry

Help with what?

Also therapy cost money. NEETs generally don't have money.
Public services are limited both in quantity and quality. The wait list are extremely long in places with social welfare for such services and if you don't have a actual reason to go then you will keep being put in the back of the line.

So again, the question needs to be asked.
Help with what exactly?

>>221020
There is no Therapy because the Problem is Society itself, Society is extremely anti Wizard and engages in heavy wizcism.
Maybe Brainwashing or Hypnosis could turn you into someone who enjoys the jewy education system and the low wage shitjobs.
Like whats the point to be in "Employment, Education or Training" when none of this shit will ever get you anywhere anyway? shits a waste of time.
To be a NEET is the only reasonable thing to do, the only way to live your life pozz free.

no, therapy is practically useless in treating any kind of real mental disorders. if you read deep enough into the literature, you'll find out about a little thing called the "dodo bird verdict" which shows that all psychotherapies have the exact same effectiveness, despite having different methodologies or doing the opposite thing. how can that be? well, they interpret it positively as "everyone is a winner", there's something common in all therapies that "works", but in reality, it means that all therapies are equally garbage and that what you do in therapy matters very little, an equal amount of people report getting better, either due to placebo or essentially random chance. coincidently, the same amount that only get treated by drugs or therapy+drugs. it's like none of it makes a difference lol

here if you wanna read up on it:
https://coherencetherapy.org/files/dodo-bibliography.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_bird_verdict

for neets, probably the best help would be just giving them a job and then helping me them learn to be competent at the job. if you can't give them a job outright, then maybe help them with a cv and drive them to interviews, put in a good word for them. no therapist is going to do that lol, maybe a father or uncle, but if they had one of those, they wouldn't end up as neets.

>>221024
>for neets, probably the best help would be just giving them a job and then helping me them learn to be competent at the job
More like raising them in a condition where it's made in them a clear and concrete imprint that there is a reason to get a job.

>>221025
Yeah. I'd assume you need to be raised the correct way, because just having a job after years of NEETdom must feel like hell.

>>221020
I began therapy about a year ago in attempt to alleviate the emotional emptiness/numbness that I've been dealing with for a few years now. It started to affect me very negatively since I can't bring myself to care about almost anything.
>it's your responsibility
That's like saying if you're poor it's your responsibility to gamble until you get rich. Finding a decent therapist, in my experience, is almost impossible. The therapist I saw for almost two years during my teens was useless, if inoffensive. Then about three years ago when I first started searchign for a therapist for the dead inside thing I was assigned to some quack weirdo who would try to interpret what I said in weird ways, felt like he was just trying to twist the words in my mouth to weave some narrative of his own. The therapist I'm with now is okay, she's helped me some but I'm tired. I realized that I'm more closed off than I thought and at this point I'm thinking that my 'condition' is just an inevitable side effect of seeing too much in this world. Not a sign of good health to be adjusted to a sick society and all that.
At the end of the day, who knows if a therapist could help you. A good one probably but finding those is already half the battle.

>>221023
this
therapy can give you rose-tinted glasses at best, but the problem is with society and what it rewards, not with individuals who opt out of the rigged game
this world is ruled by emotions and feelings, not truth and merit
the problem is that we have lost the fairy tale and we see the world for what it is, and people don't like having such "creepy crab" reminders of reality around them
career, family life, children, all of this is just a different, more aggressive and more competitive, form of escapism
normies get horribly depressed when their fantasy is taken away, so they distance themselves from the unpleasant sides of reality as much as they can, and exclude the unfortunate from their circle-jerks

I've been to a few and I can safely say that they're a waste of time and money.
I'm not even autistic, just shitty childhood and trust issues, and still they weren't able to do shit other than 'take the fucking pills'

Like the other guy said, most issues lie in the premise of wanting to be competitive and ambitious, in order to be part of the system.
Since we no longer get shit from it, there is no reason to play their stupid games.

I've gone to therapy almost all my life, and I still see a psychiatrist. No it doesn't help. I'm still a mentally ill perma-neet and most of the time the therapy just makes me feel like shit cause I have to bring up shit I'd rather just forget.

>>221029
Just a short update. Had to make the decision last session of whether or not to continue therapy for another year or stop and I stopped, telling my therapist that I was tired of going there. She then told me that she agrees and that she doesn't think anything about my mental state will change unless I make a big change in my life, i.e. move out etc. Told her that wasn't going to happen, so I guess that's that.

Therapy or psychoanalysis could be helpful in theory- it's basically just paying someone to give a different perspective on problems or point out thinking/behavior patterns that aren't obvious to you. The problem I've encountered is that it's nearly impossible to find a "good fit". The personality and life experience of people who become therapists and people who become NEET/freeter/hikki are so far apart that they can form an ocean that can't be crossed. Therapy is also expensive, and it takes a lot of effort for a depressed or socially anxious person to reach out and make appointments to try out different therapists, so the process of trying different therapists to find the right one is quite difficult or even impossible. I've seen a few in my life and never really got much benefit out of them besides the temporary emotional catharsis of complaining to someone in person about my problems for an hour.

Also, as >>221024 points out, the scientific basis for a lot of psychology/psychiatry is controversial at best. I wouldn't go quite as far as to say the Dodo Bird Verdict proves beyond a doubt that all psychiatry is nonsense- but there are certainly a lot of problems with their research data. I used to read a lot about the Replication Crisis: a phenomenon where many psychology experiments could not replicate the reported results when repeated. There are also several Anti-Psychiatry arguments from various philosophers, stating that psychiatry is a psuedoscience, a waste of taxpayer money, or a tool to pathologize and discipline people who aren't useful to modern capitalist society. With all that said, I still don't necessarily think the basic idea of talking to someone in a room and receiving their input or advice is necessarily bad- I would just temper your expectations. It's unlikely that therapy will "fix" you, but it might help a small amount just to vocalize your problems or realize a different perspective on some of them.

i went to therapy once. the guy didn't seem professional at all. he just sounded like a random gay guy. it was about as useful as talking to a random gay guy.

>>221020
It was the worst choice I ever took in my life, and I wasted a small fortune over many sessions, but to be fair, he was so bad, I a sure most therapists are better than him.

>>221101
As someone with severe depression and about 300+ hours of therapy during my lifetime:

The person who benefits the most from therapy is the therapist. His bank account in particular.
It's a conjob that exists to give those people a very cushy living. They can make up to 100 dollars or more per hour just sitting there and giving little to no input.

You may as well just talk to a random drunk on the subway if you need to vent. Therapy is a scam and does not solve the root issues of depression which for many people on this board revolve around lack of money, non-neurotypicality and physical issues all of which are either unfixable or require lots of money to fix.

All you're doing with therapy is giving that much needed money to someone who is already well off.

There's a college in my city that offers free therapy, done by last-year students under the guidance of their professors. I'm unsure if I should go, it seems that all students are either fags or succubi, and I feel that if I were to act honestly in there things wouldn't turn out well for me. If I had money I'd pay for an older man as a therapist, that might at least inspire a sense of trust and reliability.

>>221130
If its free you should give it a try.

>>221192
it would cost his time
if this was 40 years ago, I would do it because people actually took their professions seriously back then
now the young adults will just gossip and make fun of anon behind his back

I hated psychotherapy, whenever I had it in the hospital and now that I'm glad, that I don't have it anymore. I wouldn't even visit my psychiatrist, if I could, but I need to get prescriptions for my anti-psychotics, otherwise I would feel very unwell rather soon. I think everything, that a therapist can, can a real doctor also do, except you don't have talking therapy session or anything like that, just a little 45 session every month or two to get your medication.

As gay as it sounds, I think it's important to see nuance in this. For most people therapy is a scam and won't help much, in particular the crowd, that is chronically sad, because of their looks or because their are a (in their self-perception) a "loser", but I think hospitals, therapy sessions and medication can be very useful for people, who have psychosis and mania. This might sound arbitrarily chosen, but in my experience and encounters with those people (and with myself, as somebody with a psychotic illness) I think those things can be genuinely helpful. I am not pretending it helps everyone with those conditions, but you can see clear improvements in somebody with acute psychosis or mania, when they take their medication. Everyone, who out of principle is against psychiatry or claims those people are in reality not ill and "just see the world differently", or "see reality", or "are different from society and therefor perceived as ill", is completely out of their minds. Go talk to some bipolar 1 person or schizophrenic in their acute phase of their illness and you will see what I mean.

But I digress, in my personal experience therapy, medications and multiple visits in an institution were helpful and I feel much better now, but it might not be for you.

No. Sharing things to professionals get you mocked and scammed (since you must pay like a cuck).

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