/wiz/ - Wizardry

Help with what?

Also therapy cost money. NEETs generally don't have money.
Public services are limited both in quantity and quality. The wait list are extremely long in places with social welfare for such services and if you don't have a actual reason to go then you will keep being put in the back of the line.

So again, the question needs to be asked.
Help with what exactly?

>>221020
There is no Therapy because the Problem is Society itself, Society is extremely anti Wizard and engages in heavy wizcism.
Maybe Brainwashing or Hypnosis could turn you into someone who enjoys the jewy education system and the low wage shitjobs.
Like whats the point to be in "Employment, Education or Training" when none of this shit will ever get you anywhere anyway? shits a waste of time.
To be a NEET is the only reasonable thing to do, the only way to live your life pozz free.

no, therapy is practically useless in treating any kind of real mental disorders. if you read deep enough into the literature, you'll find out about a little thing called the "dodo bird verdict" which shows that all psychotherapies have the exact same effectiveness, despite having different methodologies or doing the opposite thing. how can that be? well, they interpret it positively as "everyone is a winner", there's something common in all therapies that "works", but in reality, it means that all therapies are equally garbage and that what you do in therapy matters very little, an equal amount of people report getting better, either due to placebo or essentially random chance. coincidently, the same amount that only get treated by drugs or therapy+drugs. it's like none of it makes a difference lol

here if you wanna read up on it:
https://coherencetherapy.org/files/dodo-bibliography.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_bird_verdict

for neets, probably the best help would be just giving them a job and then helping me them learn to be competent at the job. if you can't give them a job outright, then maybe help them with a cv and drive them to interviews, put in a good word for them. no therapist is going to do that lol, maybe a father or uncle, but if they had one of those, they wouldn't end up as neets.

>>221024
>for neets, probably the best help would be just giving them a job and then helping me them learn to be competent at the job
More like raising them in a condition where it's made in them a clear and concrete imprint that there is a reason to get a job.

>>221025
Yeah. I'd assume you need to be raised the correct way, because just having a job after years of NEETdom must feel like hell.

>>221020
I began therapy about a year ago in attempt to alleviate the emotional emptiness/numbness that I've been dealing with for a few years now. It started to affect me very negatively since I can't bring myself to care about almost anything.
>it's your responsibility
That's like saying if you're poor it's your responsibility to gamble until you get rich. Finding a decent therapist, in my experience, is almost impossible. The therapist I saw for almost two years during my teens was useless, if inoffensive. Then about three years ago when I first started searchign for a therapist for the dead inside thing I was assigned to some quack weirdo who would try to interpret what I said in weird ways, felt like he was just trying to twist the words in my mouth to weave some narrative of his own. The therapist I'm with now is okay, she's helped me some but I'm tired. I realized that I'm more closed off than I thought and at this point I'm thinking that my 'condition' is just an inevitable side effect of seeing too much in this world. Not a sign of good health to be adjusted to a sick society and all that.
At the end of the day, who knows if a therapist could help you. A good one probably but finding those is already half the battle.

>>221023
this
therapy can give you rose-tinted glasses at best, but the problem is with society and what it rewards, not with individuals who opt out of the rigged game
this world is ruled by emotions and feelings, not truth and merit
the problem is that we have lost the fairy tale and we see the world for what it is, and people don't like having such "creepy crab" reminders of reality around them
career, family life, children, all of this is just a different, more aggressive and more competitive, form of escapism
normies get horribly depressed when their fantasy is taken away, so they distance themselves from the unpleasant sides of reality as much as they can, and exclude the unfortunate from their circle-jerks

I've been to a few and I can safely say that they're a waste of time and money.
I'm not even autistic, just shitty childhood and trust issues, and still they weren't able to do shit other than 'take the fucking pills'

Like the other guy said, most issues lie in the premise of wanting to be competitive and ambitious, in order to be part of the system.
Since we no longer get shit from it, there is no reason to play their stupid games.

I've gone to therapy almost all my life, and I still see a psychiatrist. No it doesn't help. I'm still a mentally ill perma-neet and most of the time the therapy just makes me feel like shit cause I have to bring up shit I'd rather just forget.

>>221029
Just a short update. Had to make the decision last session of whether or not to continue therapy for another year or stop and I stopped, telling my therapist that I was tired of going there. She then told me that she agrees and that she doesn't think anything about my mental state will change unless I make a big change in my life, i.e. move out etc. Told her that wasn't going to happen, so I guess that's that.

Therapy or psychoanalysis could be helpful in theory- it's basically just paying someone to give a different perspective on problems or point out thinking/behavior patterns that aren't obvious to you. The problem I've encountered is that it's nearly impossible to find a "good fit". The personality and life experience of people who become therapists and people who become NEET/freeter/hikki are so far apart that they can form an ocean that can't be crossed. Therapy is also expensive, and it takes a lot of effort for a depressed or socially anxious person to reach out and make appointments to try out different therapists, so the process of trying different therapists to find the right one is quite difficult or even impossible. I've seen a few in my life and never really got much benefit out of them besides the temporary emotional catharsis of complaining to someone in person about my problems for an hour.

Also, as >>221024 points out, the scientific basis for a lot of psychology/psychiatry is controversial at best. I wouldn't go quite as far as to say the Dodo Bird Verdict proves beyond a doubt that all psychiatry is nonsense- but there are certainly a lot of problems with their research data. I used to read a lot about the Replication Crisis: a phenomenon where many psychology experiments could not replicate the reported results when repeated. There are also several Anti-Psychiatry arguments from various philosophers, stating that psychiatry is a psuedoscience, a waste of taxpayer money, or a tool to pathologize and discipline people who aren't useful to modern capitalist society. With all that said, I still don't necessarily think the basic idea of talking to someone in a room and receiving their input or advice is necessarily bad- I would just temper your expectations. It's unlikely that therapy will "fix" you, but it might help a small amount just to vocalize your problems or realize a different perspective on some of them.

i went to therapy once. the guy didn't seem professional at all. he just sounded like a random gay guy. it was about as useful as talking to a random gay guy.

>>221020
It was the worst choice I ever took in my life, and I wasted a small fortune over many sessions, but to be fair, he was so bad, I a sure most therapists are better than him.

>>221101
As someone with severe depression and about 300+ hours of therapy during my lifetime:

The person who benefits the most from therapy is the therapist. His bank account in particular.
It's a conjob that exists to give those people a very cushy living. They can make up to 100 dollars or more per hour just sitting there and giving little to no input.

You may as well just talk to a random drunk on the subway if you need to vent. Therapy is a scam and does not solve the root issues of depression which for many people on this board revolve around lack of money, non-neurotypicality and physical issues all of which are either unfixable or require lots of money to fix.

All you're doing with therapy is giving that much needed money to someone who is already well off.

There's a college in my city that offers free therapy, done by last-year students under the guidance of their professors. I'm unsure if I should go, it seems that all students are either fags or succubi, and I feel that if I were to act honestly in there things wouldn't turn out well for me. If I had money I'd pay for an older man as a therapist, that might at least inspire a sense of trust and reliability.

>>221130
If its free you should give it a try.

>>221192
it would cost his time
if this was 40 years ago, I would do it because people actually took their professions seriously back then
now the young adults will just gossip and make fun of anon behind his back

I hated psychotherapy, whenever I had it in the hospital and now that I'm glad, that I don't have it anymore. I wouldn't even visit my psychiatrist, if I could, but I need to get prescriptions for my anti-psychotics, otherwise I would feel very unwell rather soon. I think everything, that a therapist can, can a real doctor also do, except you don't have talking therapy session or anything like that, just a little 45 session every month or two to get your medication.

As gay as it sounds, I think it's important to see nuance in this. For most people therapy is a scam and won't help much, in particular the crowd, that is chronically sad, because of their looks or because their are a (in their self-perception) a "loser", but I think hospitals, therapy sessions and medication can be very useful for people, who have psychosis and mania. This might sound arbitrarily chosen, but in my experience and encounters with those people (and with myself, as somebody with a psychotic illness) I think those things can be genuinely helpful. I am not pretending it helps everyone with those conditions, but you can see clear improvements in somebody with acute psychosis or mania, when they take their medication. Everyone, who out of principle is against psychiatry or claims those people are in reality not ill and "just see the world differently", or "see reality", or "are different from society and therefor perceived as ill", is completely out of their minds. Go talk to some bipolar 1 person or schizophrenic in their acute phase of their illness and you will see what I mean.

But I digress, in my personal experience therapy, medications and multiple visits in an institution were helpful and I feel much better now, but it might not be for you.

>>221192
>>221193
My fear is that as soon as I inevitably reveal that I'm a 30+ year-old virgin they will just think "he is one of those school shooting crabs, we need to let the authorities know".

>>221225
yeah I hate that stigma too
interesting how media put a lot of attention to the crab aspect of school shooters

>>221020
anyways, let us know if therapy had any better guides than Human Design.

>>221721
Hello again, Violence-kun. Burst-fire as usual, I see. I will add Human Design shilling to your file.

>>221735
In time you did, moddess.

>>221249
You are right in a way, but that obviously only works for unintelligent people with no self-awareness. Though that seems to be a decent amount of people.

Ethically there is a serious issue with the fact that the "rational thought processes" are culturally defined. For example, I read a textbook for therapists, and it said that patients must get a job and have interpersonal relationships. It was stated as an absolute requirement. If they disagree and resist, then your goal is to teach them (manipulate them) to see how they are wrong, or even drop them as a patient because the therapy is pointless otherwise. I see that as a cultural wageslave belief. It is at the core of therapy that they want you to be a normie with a job and friends and relationships; it is not going to help you be happy as a neet wizard. I don't want to be manipulated by people that have a different culture and morality than me.

>>221249
It doesn't work for sleeplessness because only melatonin can induce sleep, and if your endocrine system is messed up, it will not happen no matter how much you relax or meditate.

>>221738
that must be an outdated manual, because the new post-modern therapies can't even agree on the definition of mental illness anymore. they ask you what you want to achieve in therapy and they don't push any kind of value system on you, they're just there to serve as a mirror for your own self-exploration. it's why you're seeing trannyism on the rise because the therapist can't deny your subjective reality, that would be unethical, if you say you're a gurl, it's everyone else that has to accommodate you and sex change surgeries (glorified body mutilation) are now the preferred treatment.

ultimately, i think there's needs to be a balance between societal values and the individual values, many people go to these schmucks for life guidance but they're not even trained to give you advice, for that you need a different type of grifter called a "life coach" who is much more concerned with practicalities of life.

>>221741
It was written in 2017. Wageslavery, sexhaving and integrating into society isnt seen as a value system to them or is seen as a practical requirement for living in society.

>>221738
It doesn't apply to the elite who farm people like you financially either. They can live off their dividends carefree on a yacht and not talk to anyone but their personal chef over whatsapp for months.

In fact the therapists suck up to these people and believe they are just fine, despite having no job or interpersonal relations.


Do you now see how it's just one huge game of hierarchy and trying to shoehorn you into being a slave for those who do not work, yet collect the fruits of your labor?

Ancient civilizations were no better. Spartan citizens were banned from working. It was seen as demeaning. 90% of the population consisted of illiterate non-citizen slaves who did all the work.

Therapy is only useful for uber normie you-know-who to "unpack" their romantic relationships and vent about toxic exes and be prepared to jump head-on towards a new dick. I'm not exgregating.

>>221748
this
usually therapy goes like this
>normie goes to therapy
>therapist does pic rel with eyebrows and asks "inquisitive" questions
>normie releases emotional diarrhea
>normie mental state: gosh the therapy helped me so much fr fr now i found myself and know what to do
the therapy is really just for normies to get external confirmation on what they already know, they just want a stamp of approval from an official professional

Some therapies may work, but usually if you're have something mild, now many NEETs suffer from form of genuine mental illness that only medications can help, medication that actually change your brain workings, also there are other NEETs that don't have mental illness, more like a personality thing, and personality according to modern evidence is mostly stable through people life, your personality change very little, so therapy really doesnt help too.

>>221748
>>221750
True, and that's why the dodo verdict problem exists (all different types of therapy statistically produce equivalent outcomes)

Therapy helps but you have to be in a certain bare minimum mental state for it to work. If you aren't in touch with your feelings and aren't receptive to be malleable enough to get in touch with your feelings then therapy is going ot be useless

>>221072
She was right. Your environment does have a large impact on your mental state. If you are too stubborn to even try to move out then yeah, nothing is going to change.

>>221761
In Sweden we call those small unrepaired apartments with decaying 1960s kitchens as "suicide cubes".

Nobody exists in a vacuum, everything you look at and spend time daily within, taxes your mental being or nourishes it.
There is a reason why rich people filled their homes with beautiful architectural elements and furniture for thousands of years.

>>221763
beauty is a distraction and a lie
in decay there is truth about entropy and the nature of this world
I'd rather accept the ugliness of life than throw glitter over it

>>221020
If you work and get money or benefits to go to therapy, or someone pities you enough to pay for it, it just becomes a form of humiliation and mockery for you. A therapist will tell you everything is fine when it clearly isn't, they'll try to convince you of various feel good lies, they'll give you a framework to perpetuate all the systems that failed you in a way that benefits them and not you, all while draining yours or someone else's resources.

Therapy is a waste of money and time, at best they will give you normalfag advices like "eat healthy" or "exercise more", at worst they call the police and you become a psychiatric patient for life.

>>221764
It's a distraction, but it's not a lie. Even old beautiful furniture from the 1800s has shapes and curves found only in nature. No ugly bulky boxes and MDF.

What you see daily, directly affects your mind no matter how much you try to visualize a better reality.

I tried therapy once, and went in and saw my doctor was a strong, black succubus. I just left immediately. How can such a person possibly help me?

>>221020
probably not, if you speak about anything serious youre going to get medshilling

Honestly, it depends, if you have just a mild form of maldaptive thinking process, then probably with some good therapy you can change your behavior, or more accurate, you can change your thought process. Now, if you have a genuine mental -organic- disorder, a illness that is born -because- your brain doesn't work well from the get go, then no, no amount of therapy will cure you, may help you cope better with the illness, but only medication can actually change your brain biological process in a way that fundamentally effect how you brains works.

I've been in and out of therapy for about the past 10 years now. Therapy helped me when I had the right therapist. I was able to finish and go to college with one therapist, and I think what he helped me with was preventing me from spiraling further down the pit of despair.

Getting a job made the state take away my benefits so he had to cut off the therapy and I went without one for a while. The next therapist was some Japanese guy who barely spoke English and every session was him telling me to stop drinking. It wasn't productive. A few years passed and I decided to try therapy again and I was assigned an older female in her 40s. She wasn't terrible but obviously couldn't relate to anything in my life even though she tried. She was helpful in the sense that she helped me learn how to be comfortable talking about myself.

After she quit I was forced to find another therapist, this one I picked myself. He is by far the most helpful one I've seen. He was the only one who managed to get me out of the house and doing things outside of my comfort zone.

>>221986
I forgot to mention my first therapist. It was some jew psychiatrist who was a terrible therapist. He gave me pills that made it hard to orgasm and fell asleep during a few sessions. Dude was by far the worst.

>>221020
Being NEET is my therapy. Some of us need it desperately

>>221020
No, therapy is a scam.

Autism/schizo no, everything else yes

>>222622
This. Not being forced into a hellhole normie job and having enough neetbucks to live on is why I still bother staying alive.

Therapy kikes want to gaslight you into becoming a tranny or trying to coax you into taking the covid jew jab.

>>221020
I'd say therapy has been moderately helpful for me overall. It does 100% depend on your therapist though. It's cliche but most are only in it for the money and will just try to make wild interpretations about your state or assumptions. The good ones mostly listen and nudge you into self contemplation whenever you're falling back into bad routines and thinking patterns. A good therapist will not try to tell you specifically what to change. They might give suggestions, again, nudge you to break your mental patterns but from your own initiative. That's why it's often said that therapy also is dependent on how much work you are willing to put in.

I did find it useful to get me out of the NEET hole.

Found the most useful kind was essentially improved adulthood; i.e. isolating and adjusting the bad habits I grew up into that due to different circumstances no longer made sense.

Needed psych intervention a few times post-NEET when things went to shit and it wasn't quite so helpful. Meds were more useful by letting me *sleep* instead of stress out about everything and wear myself out with nightmares, which in turn gave me the physical strength to reduce the stressors.

If your head is on straight and your life strategies are both sane and without dysfunctional delusions, therapy probably won't help much. If you're involuntary NEET because you never really got past the tipping point of required skills and strength as an adult, it might be useful.

>>221020
I am a former neet who went to therapy and found it very helpful, so yeah it can be helpful, but it depends and not everyone's situation is the same. I took my therapy very seriously and I feel that I had a pretty good fit with my therapist. I actually am still going but we are probably ending soon.

>>221020
In general I'd say no, but I have a disorder that requires a specific form of treatment (OCD). I tried it on my own, but I must've been doing something wrong because the thoughts just didn't stop. The only reason I went to a "professional" in the first place was so I could do it "the right way". In the end it was all up to me anyway, I either choose to engage in compulsions or I don't. But I will say, there's something mildly cathartic about dumping all your problems on an "expert" and having him sort them out for you.

>>221020
I tried therapy and they just threw antipsychotics at me. The side effects were so bad it ruined my career for two decades. Worst decision I've ever made and I absolutely despise anyone who suggests that I do it again.

No, the only thing that will help NEETs is a federal job guarantee. Therapy would be a waste of time for all parties involved.

>>221020
Therapy only works on NPCs with no capacity for self-reflection. If you can already self-reflect, the therapist will probably just tell you what you already know.

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/men-will-literally-have-completely

>If you have no ability to systematically think about and solve your problems, you should probably tell all your problems immediately to someone who does, and maybe this person could be a therapist.

>But also: people vary really widely in their ability to do something sort of like hold a conversation with themselves - for example, some people totally lack an inner monologue. Nobody has ever checked if those people benefit from therapy more, and I don't want to actively predict that they would. But I know that I talk things over with myself a lot. Does this help me stay emotionally stable? Not sure; seems plausible. If I didn't have an inner monologue, maybe the only way I could get that same effect would be by talking them over with another person.

>Other people obsessively seek external reassurance. I talked here about the phenomenon of hypochondriacs who go to their doctor to be told that their latest concern (maybe the 25th time they had a certain symptom) isn't worth worrying about, same as the last 24 times. They're not even asking for an x-ray or something! They're just happy to hear the doctor say the words "given that your last 24 symptoms were nothing, I'm assuming this one isn't anything either". Then they are delighted and go home! I sometimes think about this by analogy to "you can't tickle yourself" - some people can't reassure themselves either, and are very happy to hear thoughts they could have easily generated themselves coming from other people's mouths. Are these some of the people who benefit from therapy? Seems plausible.

>>223299
you could've told them it didnt work and they would've given you another option

>>221024
Therapy is just an extremely overpriced way of getting to talk to a physical person for a bit.

only money can help you. therapy is thowing money away.

I'm not seeing a well meant therapist saying the LDAR NEET lifestyle is going to be okay.

>>221020
>to become something better?
So a wageslave?
Well this is wizchan 2025, what the fuck did i expect.

>>223355
>he doesn't know
In anno domini 2025 you can be both a wageslave and a kissless hugless handholdless virgin crab with no hope on either front

You NEETs are basically a privileged elite.

>>223359
My obvious point is that being wageslave is not something better.

>>221020
It depends, not everyone is a NEET for the same reason. for example therapy might work if you're a NEET because of some trauma, but If you're a lazy faggot who just doesn't want to work then all the therapy in the world won't help you.

>>223378
What I disagree with is the implication that a wizard cannot be a wageslave or that it is even implicitly an upgrade.

If you're a NEET in a sustainable manner (i.e., not leeching off your aging parents), you're ahead of someone who has to wagecuck to survive.

I tried therapy for a few times when I was a crab and I always wondered why it was useless for me. I had a realization after two experiences.
First, I was in a therapy session with that succubus. I was venting to her how I was feeling lonely. She just laughed at me and said that I have it good compared to her succubi clients who were in abusive realtionships.
My second experience was when I was looking for a therapist on a big online plaform in my country. Looking for a therapist that specializes in my disorder, I noticed one thing… They all deal with some sort of a relationship problem. Trust issues, past abuse, conflicts in realtionships, you name it. Rows and rows of succubi therapists who deal with some vaiety of relationship drama.
Then it dawned on me.
Therapy is not for wizzies. It's also not for mentally ill people. It's ONLY for partnered people and ONLY for already established interpersonal relationships. If you have some sort of mental health issue and you are not a succubus daiting a bad boy, good luck finding something helpful.

>>224375
well said
I think therapy is not meant to make the patient's life better, but to make the patient a more functional member of society, and to teach the patient to draw some kind of satisfaction from being useful

also it's no coincidence that so many therapists are succubi
they get off on drama, they are in that business not with the intention of helping anyone, but to hear the drama

therapy is a fucking joke
I'd rather go to a shaman, have him feed me some fucked up mushrooms, and rearrange my mind

>>224376
>I think therapy is not meant to make the patient's life better, but to make the patient a more functional member of society
It's not even that. Therapy nowadays is not a mental health treatment, it's a commodity or a service within mental wellness industry. Kinda like you pay for a crocheting class or something. And it's a service for already well-adjusted people who are already memebers of the soceity.
Therapy doesn't mean to heal mentally ill people lol. It's more like a luxury serivce at this point. A spa salon for your brain, except at least spa does make you feel better.

>>221098

Kek

>>224378
I met two succbi in such sessions that conveyed this to me as such while trying to get meds. The first pointedly noted how expensive therapy was if I was already in dire financial straits. The second was while I was unemployed and on medicad. I hated wait for like 4 hours for an appointment and the lady confessed how poorly funded her clinic was she'd see guys just sleeping in the waiting room for 8 hours and never get an appointment. Government claims to give a fuck about you, but only if you are suicidal. It's like treating a long term illness with an ER visit.

>>221020
Depends on the causes of being a NEET. If it's depression and [social] anxiety, sure, pharmacological treatment has potential to be quite effective. There are three catches however:

First, you need to have a treatment selected, which is nearly impossible to do in sensible time (less than decades) on ambulatory sessions. Initial treatment must be formulated for a patient stationed at medical facility with all resuscitation equipment at hand, since some drugs can be rather potent and not entirely predictable in combinations and individual reactions, which in ambulatory setting cannot be prescribed at required dosages without endangering the patient immediately, but have to be gradually ramped up. Even then, it won't be perfect and will have a ton of side-effects that would need constant corrections and adjustments, but that can be done ambulatorly on weekly/monthly visits.

Second, is the length of the process. Even initial selection of treatment in ideal stationary conditions would take from several months to a year, since most drugs have accumulated effect and changing treatment may require several weeks to purge old ones from the system (still much faster than months or a year in case of ambulatory sessions – for just one iteration). Then main therapy with tolerable pharmacological scheme is likely to take several years to yield major results (i.e., actually getting a job) and may not be terminated until results are finalized, which may take on the scale of 5 to 10 years.

Third, this is naturally a rather major undertaking, which someone in depression and without source of income has negligible chance to pull of by himself, so someone must walk patient through it, invest their mental and material resources for patient's benefit and be persistent enough over the years to make sure meds are taken on time. Maybe a parent or some other kind of meaningfully concerned relative is required.

>>221020
I can recommend it, it helped me a lot. Resolving some parent issues and some paranoia I've been having. I went for a little over a month, like five session tops.

Though I've heard some bad stories, I definitely recommend the therapist to be a man, not a succubus. Also do not admit illegal shit, do not take expensive pills, that alter your neural chemistry.

talking NEETs into feeling good?


>>221031
And then your parent SHATTERS your pink glasses of positivevthinking ahaha. "Sonny, WHO you were talking to? What kind of sectantic info have they dropped on your ears?"

>>221098
holy shit I relate to this so much LMAO

>>221026
>just having a job after years of NEETdom must feel like hell.
it does

>>221020
>become something better?
a wageslave?

Anyway, "NEET" doesn't mean shit. It depends on what mental illness you have (if any). Not specifying this can only lead to generic answers, which is not a big deal though

>>224475
wtf is this nonsense copypasta
that's not how psych drugs work

>>221020
No, lol

Why would it? Can anyone explain the deification of therapy?

>psychotherapy help?
It could, if you have just kind of wrong mindset, psychotherapy can help you change your mindset. Now, if you have a genuine mental illness like schizophrenia, psychotherapy won't help you if you don't take medications.

It won't cure autism or ADHD
Maybe it can make you find ways to go around it but you could ask chatgpt instead of paying money to some bitch

Therapists come with an additional perspective so they can help.

They won't cure permanent conditions but they can help spot if something can be improved.

If there's help, just take it. You can choose whether to use the advice in the end.

>>226008
I believe that therapy mostly works for normal people with normalfag problems. Schizophrenia and the like cannot be cured by it. Also depressed wizzies without such hardwired mental illness but still outliers of society rarely profit from therapy I suppose. The problems are too severe. A combination of medication plus therapy might be more promising but the thing is it won't solve the problem at its core only extend the perseverance of how much shit you can endure to hold down a job and not violate social norms. Eventually all therapy is designed to reintegrate you to the job market and make you a (economically) valuable member of society.

>>226006
Must be a bot and/ or copy pasted from ai with misleading inputs from the user.

Imagine you were the therapist for a second. Then the patient is your primary source of income. The patient becomes your working material, and you want to have material from which you can make money. Say, a dentist would have no base to exist, if there were no teethes. And unhealthy teethes means that there’s more to for the dentist and that means he has more tasks which he then can cash up. For the therapist this means that he needs to have unhealthy psyches to have more tasks which he then can cash up. It’s kind of important for the therapist that the therapy does not end after the first few settings, its systematically not in his interest to cure the patient ‘too quickly’. In the case of 4 sessions, let’s say 100 $ per session per week, the therapist makes 400 $ from a single patient, but if he can extend the therapy to 24 sessions he makes 2400 dollar from the same patient.

Now let’s take this a step further. The therapist profits from an increasing number of mentally ill persons on the ‘market’ as potential clients for his business. There are incentives to make people feel mentally ill so they go to a therapist. Also, he’s not alone in this, there are other therapists out there, so he has to prevail against the competition. Now, how would the therapist increase his chances to prevail? Collusion and cartel structures between therapists, but obviously not as straight forward as actual business cartels but in a much more covert way. There are not only therapists out there, there’s a whole industry built around mental illness – psychologists, psychiatrists, neurologists, clinics, rehabs, significant parts of the pharma industry (production, distribution, apothecary), research facilities (psychology, neuroscience), health insurance funds, institutions of the state, journalism. All these players need a right to exist and this is given to them by the human psyche capable of being ill. Now what’s happening is that increasing parts of the human psyche are pathologized. That means, that more and more behaviors, thought patterns, emotions, psychosomatic symptoms etc. are classified as part of mental illness. The ‘healthy’ parts of our overall spectrum of inner experience which our consciousness can theoretically display and produce become narrower through this classification while the pathological parts become largely extended. Same goes for the observable external expressions which we physically display (behavior), increasing parts of become pathologized and healthy parts become narrower.

Now, the individual is not unaffected by this. They will start to see these mental ill aspects in themselves and identify with it. There are at least three important mechanisms to name here: 1. For the normal person it’s important, that having a mental illness is socially acceptable and that he’s not treated as a misfit in his social circles if he goes to the therapist. And this is what happened over the last decades, the normalization of mental illness and therapy and even psycho pharmacy. The medial depiction of it has a big part in this. Now not only are they not despised or excluded in many social settings, they might even be applauded when they talk about there mental illness and therapy. 2. Also the typical depressed wizard kind, or people of the autistic spectrum, and other very self-aware introverted people more likely will attempt therapy. What I mean is, in the past only the extreme, severely cases would receive psychiatric treatment, but now it’s open to people who think, there might be something wrong with them, and it’s much easier to just seek treatment, the thresholds are lower. 3. The internet gives access to quick and easy research about the topic of mental illness. So everyone can find never ending lists of symptoms of countless different mental illnesses and will likely find something where they find themselves represented in one or multiple of these checklists. Additionally the anonymity of the internet combined with trannyism, glorifying female attributes, streamer culture, reddit, social media and so on is very approving of mental illnesses. The inhibition to admit a personal mental illness is low. It could even be argued that today you kind of have to have some kind of mental illness to fit in, to be accepted in the community. Some might say, it’s weird if you never have had a mental illness in your life and that there’s probably something very wrong with you. Also, a fancy mental illness makes you interesting and people might value you for it. So the premises for social acceptance in some cases are flipped.

All of this concludes that the person finding clues that he might have mental illness will sooner or later attribute this to themselves and then go to the doctor or therapist. This is where the circle closes.

There is more to say about this surely, there are other social movements and technological advancements that contribute to the whole psychiatrization of society. There’s also more to say about how the development of consciousness and language in the first place made it possible that the human mind could be described as ill. But that’s for another day.

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The more depressing and depraved the real world is for the 99%, the more profit therapists and pharma companies can reap off depressed people.

The quarterly growth and increased stock valuation of these companies relies on millions of new people systematically becoming depressed.