No.224279[View All]
Since we're all virgins and disregard females I think it would be cool to debate antinatalism.
Antinatalism is the idea that procreation is inherently evil and that we should avoid creating new life (either animal or human) at all costs.
I am a strong supporter of this ideology as I believe biological life is tremendously distressing and forcing someone into existence is violence.
I wish more wizards would support this kind of thoughts, even if you're religious you should kind of agree that bringing new life on this planet is pure madness.
Personally I don't resent my parents as they are basically retarded boomers, but I tell them about antinatalism whenever they point out the fact that I don't have a girlfriend.
If people stopped reproducing all problems would be fixed within a century, pollution, war, famine, diseases, nothing would torture us anymore. But even if implemented partially(less children, less animals) existence would become much more tolerable, no more traffic noise, overpopulation, overwhelmed hospitals, intensive farming, and so forth.
What do you think? Do wizards associate with antinatalism?
50 posts and 6 image replies omitted. Click reply to view. No.224467
>>224463Someone who gets several times my annual salary in dividends just by sitting on their ass all day has lost touch with reality and has nothing in common with me, virgin or not.
No.224472
>>224462same
I wouldn't be surprised if they make up weird schizo beliefs in which they are somehow special and deserve the wealth which they didn't really earn
I mean some kind of solipsism
No.224477
When a worker makes a mistake, his boss does not whip him because there are more efficient ways of correcting and preventing mistakes than pain. But when life causes you pain for making a miatake, that's supposed to be good?
When someone does something to a retard that he does not like, the retard reacts with violence, he causes pain. His reaction is called retarded and stupid, but when life causes you pain, it's supposed to be purposeful?
That's why life is not a miracle, it's inefficient, retarded and stupid.
No.224482
>>224477>His reaction is called retarded and stupid, but when life causes you pain, it's supposed to be purposeful?on top of the pain the world has to offer innately, you can add more pain.
if you identify with concern over being called retarded and stupid, you add more pain to what was already there.
incidentally, when you drop self concern like that, you also feel no need to react to anything in the world. you'll be free.
No.224484
>>224461Overpopulation is a racist dog whistle. You don't need riches and consumables to lead a fulfilling life.
No.224485
>>224484>Overpopulation is a racist dog whistle.Haha. No.
No.224487
>>224484I don't care about riches I just hate crowded spaces.
No.224488
>>224461> If there were less people, there would be more goods per personyeah and who is going to produce said goods? who is going to provide you with security?
66% of the US male population isn't fit for military service. but that is okay since the US have a population of 330 of which about half are men.
which means you still have a pool of around 55 million fit men to conscript from. this is the benefit of having a large population. if Switzerland had a obesity rate similar to the US it would be far more devastating for them. Due to their lower population. this also means less people suitable for work, god forbid anyone fit get injured or die, now you have a hard time to find replacements. think also about the less number of smart people as well. if IQ deviation is something to go by assuming the average IQ is 100.
If you have a population of 100, you should have around 15 individual capable of becoming doctors and engineers, 150 if your population is 1000, 150,000 for 1 million. A large group of high IQ people can accomplish more than a small group.
You need a large population in order to have sufficient producers to produce said goods! ofc not everyone can live in luxury. It will be a privileged reserved mostly for the elite.
with less impoverished people to exploit for cheap labor or high IQ nerds to do the paperwork in their cubes, isn't going to increase your material wealth.
in short, you need a large number of cogs to be sure the machine can always run at max efficiency. yes they consume more, but you forget that they are also capable of producing more.
No.224489
>>224488I'm one of the poor people exploited for cheap labor. We get exploited simply because there is many of us, so replacements are easy to find, actually we queue up for shit jobs that barely pay enough for survival. We don't get to dictate the rules of employment. Most of those jobs don't satisfy any needs, but wants of people richer than us. But the costs of living are so inflated that we have no choice but to serve the rich. If there were less of us poor fucks, our work would be more valued.
Are you rich? You sound rich and privileged. How did you become rich?
No.224490
>>224489>our work would be more valued.True but will it be enough to increase your standards of living?
Wages also rise during the black plague. But everyone still experience a net loss regarding material wealth.
Mainly due to decrease of total production and inflation.
No.224491
I think this makes sense, specially these days, the system we live in is entirely satanic and most people don't have purpose in life.
No.224492
The pre birth state is what i perceive god to be. Even God is beneath it. It's the unknown God, the god you can never know. Oblivion. How i can not be an antinatalist? I feel honored the Great Will send me on this path, to know i have not procreated is godlike. But i have no illusions that we have a saying in it. All of us play the script that is written.
No.224520
>>224489If you really truly wanted change you'd have taken up arms and killed a few politicians. But no you whine about how there are too many people in the world and that you aren't special because of them. The shit jobs will always be there, there will always be unmotivated people. Peasants didn't suddenly become knights after serfdom was removed
There are ways to stop the growing population, you can donate to russia because they're fixing the overpopulation in the Ukraine. Or is that wrong because they're not on the other side of the world?
>our work would be more valuedIt sounds like you have validation problems. No one to show off to
No.224521
>>224520>you can donate to russia because they're fixing the overpopulation in the Ukraine. Or is that wrong because they're not on the other side of the world?That's wrong because Ukrainians are White for the most part. The overpopulation issue can be solved by killing only the black and brown humans.
>It sounds like you have validation problemsYou're misinterpreting posts on purpose to make them easier to reply to. Obviously by
more valued he means that he would receive fairer payment and treatment for his work. And even if that's not the case, then yeah you fucking psycho, being appreciated by others and being recognized for our work is good enough reason on its own to wish for the expulsion of niggers from the countries our ancestors built for us.
What imageboard did you save that jpg from? That timecode is pretty recent.
No.224523
>>224486I see a bunch of men who are smiling. Sure it's not safe but it's still a thrill ride. It's probably the same feeling one got as a child standing inside a moving bus
Maybe you should take a leaf out of their book. Thanks to that image next time I'm off work, I'm going to climb a small but steep mountain. A new thrill
No.224524
>>224522So you're admitting the world isn't actually overpopulated and you just dislike brown people?
This is what
>>224484 means by racist dog whistle.
No.224531
>>224524The world IS overpopulated, and retroactively antinatlising all 6 billion sub-yellows would drastically improve Earth for everyone else.
No.224533
>>224523Here's a leaf of that book.
https://asiatimes.com/2024/11/blood-on-the-tracks-of-indias-railways/1000000 people annually fall off those trains and die a painful death. There are cities in Europe which don't even have a population that large.
No.224534
>>224533inb4 it is their purpose to get mangled on those tracks
No.224535
>>224533But why do you care if they die if you don't want them to live in the first place? Your life would not improve by taking away the lives of people on the other side of the world.
No.224536
>>224535And to top it off, they are dying, yet they're still whining about the Indians rent free
No.224537
>>224536I didn't say I want anyone to die. My only point was saying the planet is not overpopulated is delusional. The entirety of the Roman Empire spanning one and a half continents had around 40 million inhabitants.
That's around the amount of people who live in Delhi in a 500 square mile area. Which is roughly the size of Hong Kong. There are TOO MANY PEOPLE.
No.224538
The only solution to antinatalism the same as the one for nihilism, and it's to kill yourself. Antinatalism is an abhorrent ideology based on systematic murder. They keep going on about reducing the future population, yet complain about the now, which leads to violent attacks. A wizard is a wizard, no matter where he lives or is born
No.224539
We should start with the entirety of america and then work our way west
No.224540
>>224538>Antinatalism is an abhorrent ideology based on systematic murderAntinatalism is not pro-mortalism, we want to prevent new life from being born we don't kill anyone. On the other hand, breeders systematically kill children and animals directly and indirectly, they torture their offspring with poverty, diseases, slavery, etc…
No.224541
>>224521> more valued he means that he would receive fairer payment and treatment for his workToo bad it will be undeserved. Bet if he was the only doctor in a village he could be a bad one, behave like a swine and get away with it.
Meanwhile if he worked in the city and had to compete with tens of thousands of other doctors, he better be humble and good if he wants any clients.
I agree people should have a livable wage. but these people who bitch about fairer pay, think they are owe a fortune for mopping some floors.
YOU are a manual laborer, your wage is suppose to cover your rent, bills, groceries and a few luxuries. Not allowing you to live like a noble with a personal maid and cook!
No.224542
>>224540Having children is not 'murdering children' by virtue of those kids inevitably expiring. That's like saying that building a house is also the same as being someone who destroys peoples' houses because that house will inevitably fall.
No.224543
>>224542If you have children you KNOW that they will be harmed one day or another, so yeah you deliberately choose to torture life. Houses don't have consciousness.
No.224544
>>224543>that they will be harmed one day or anotherSo? Pain and struggle is just one facet of life. Most people will acknowledge this and not care enough to wish to have never been born when the encounter hardship, or are reminded of the inevitability of their demise.
This is why you antinatalist retards are laughed at. YOU start crying and shitting yourself at the slightest inconvenience, but you can't understand that you're a nutcase in the extreme minority, so you think any time anyone else has a hiccup in life they also experience existential dread (and don't forget: if they don't, they're only COPING or LARPING as someone who doesn't). Go back to /dep/.
No.224545
>>224544You only prove that the majority of people are evil narcisists. Nobody asked you before being born if you wanted to experience the hardships of life (be it cancer or hiccup), it seems hard for you to understand this simple concept. Imposition IS torture.
No.224546
>>224544Why don't you reproduce if you're so pro-life?
No.224547
>>224545Nobody needed my permission to bring me in to this world, and I don't need anyone's permission to leave it. Transactions between two consenting parties is a very new societal construct and to regard it is the moral baseline is sickeningly modern.
>>224546because I get enjoyment out of reading manga, watching My Little Pony, playing video games, and listening to thrash metal. Having children and/or a wife would take me away from those things. It's a simple case of choosing two paths and seeing that one is more fun to walk on than the other.
No.224548
>>224547So you chose not to have children.
You act according to antinatalism, but you speak against it
wut?
No.224549
>>224548I chose not to have children because I want to watch anime. "Antinatalists" like these faggots pretend they CAN have children (they're all uggo goblin crabs) but chose not to and say that everyone else should chose not to because "The children didn't CONSENT to being born. They will SUFFER in life. They will DIE. It's not FAIR to put anyone through this hell world and having kids is literally MURDER". It's Hindu/Buddhist nonsense in which life is treated as an objective bad, and if you can't have fun 100% of the time then it is an injustice so you might as well LDAR.
>You act according to antinatalism, but you speak against itwut?
I don't speak against not reproducing. I speak against the kind if antinatissm I described up there, in which the arguments against children are based in the delusion that life is awful. I'm seriously against the subhumans on this planet reproducing because the planet is past its capacity for such life, and these third-world hellspawn demon children will inflict pain upon every other living thing. I'm very pro-natal for people of my own stock to have children if they believe it will fulfill them in life. It's like, I own guns because I like to target shoot and hunt. Niggers have stolen guns so they can kill and rob Americans. It doesn't mean I'm "acting in accordance with niggers robbing people at gunpoint" because I own guns, while speaking against it hypocritically. You can enjoy cake while disliking when it is thrown in your face.
Are you Eastern European? Filipino? You're not too receptive to these abstracts I've laid out in a way common of those ethnicities.
No.224550
>>224549Life is objectively awful, the amount of pain you can experience is tremendous. But even if it was neutral, meaning you won't receive any pain, you still force consciousness into a body and that's immoral because it is imposition, being born is like being thrown into a prison.
No.224551
>>224550>Life is objectively awfulNo it's not you crybaby.
>life = prisonYou're free to stop living anytime, Buddha boy.
No.224553
>>224551People are not free to leave, suicide is hard, stop being an asshole.
No.224554
>>224553Suicide is easy, and obviously life isn't as awful as you're making it out to be if you're still clinging to it. I'm not the asshole here. The dweebs trying to spread their brand of despair and bring guys down with all of this talk about life being objectively bad are the assholes.
You obviously have some resentment towards your parents, the people in your life, and anyone who is happy with life in any way. Keep that to your depression echo chambers. Not every thread needs to become the half-ruled diary of some nihilistic teenager.
No.224555
>>224551Yes life is awful you moron.
It may be a little better for you personally, but there are countless living beings who go through torture all the time. This planet should be blown to pieces, all life should be erased.
But yeah, let's pretend other beings aren't conscious or something, you fucking solipsistic idiot.
No.224556
>>224555No life isn't awful you faggot.
It may be a little inconvenient for you personally, but there are countless living beings who experience joy all the time. This planet should be protected, all anti-life manbabies should be spanked.
But yeah, let's laugh at those who insist life is objectively torture while continuing to live, you underage wrist-cutting fatty tattie.
No.224557
>>224556if you take the total sum of suffering of all beings, and the joy of all beings, the ratio of suffering to joy is near infinite
only incredibly lucky individuals enjoy life, and want to perpetuate it at the expense of others
No.224558
>>224557I don't take the sum of anything and compare it to anything else, because instead of looking at numbers and videos of animals eating other animals to justify to myself that life is objectively shit as a scapegoat for my own decisions making my life shit, I do things that make me happy. This is because I am not 19 years old and gay like you.
You're perpetuating suffering at this expense of this website by acting like such a fragile little boy. It's at the expense of all of us here, so please leave.
No.224559
>>224558 🙈
you're defending life with all of its suffering, I hope you get what you defend
No.224560
>>224559You're lambasting life with all of its joy, I know you will never be a real succubus
No.224561
>>224554>Suicide is easy, and obviously life isn't as awful as you're making it out to be if you're still clinging to it.If suicide is easy then why jails and hospitals are full? Should be easy for suffering people to overcome the survival instinct according to you.
>>224556>but there are countless living beings who experience joy all the timeNot even billionaires experience joy all the time. Like he said
>>224557 the amount of suffering on earth is near infinite if you sum it all.
>>224558>because instead of looking at numbers and videos of animals eating other animals to justify to myself that life is objectively shit as a scapegoat for my own decisions making my life shit, I do things that make me happyYou're mentally incapacitated if you can't comprehend how privileged you are to spend time playing videogames. Ignoring others suffering doesn't make it disappear, it just makes you unprepared for when it will be your turn.
Not worth further discussion with you, you're living in a bubble.
No.224562
>>224561>If suicide is easy then why jails and hospitals are full? Should be easy for suffering people to overcome the survival instinct according to you.Because people in jail and jail in hospitals will eventually be released to enjoy life again. Where do you get this idea that anyone sick or imprisoned wants to die?
>Not even billionaires experience joy all the timeNot ALL the time like 24/7 you ESL idiot. If a man who is happy, healthy, and fulfilled stubs his toe, he will feel pain and regret his decisions leading up to him hitting his toe. In this moment he's not joyful, but when the pain subsides he will once again be happy.
>Ignoring others sufferingNobody is doing this here. Suffering exists in all areas of life, just as joy does. Those who can't handle their suffering should either escape it by making their lives better, endure it until some joy comes his way, or kill himself. Those are the only options. Whining about how you want to kill yourself but for some reason you can't (because you don't really want to) isn't an option, it's a joke. You're ignoring the objective reality that there is happiness in life to be felt by all, and are painting the world as some black hole of fire and lightning because of it.
You're an edgy teenager ESL who broke out of your containment board.