/wiz/ - Wizardry

>>228296
>do you see them in the real world, like a real person or in your head in wonderland?
The question is still a bit unclear.
If you mean to ask if I hallucinate (see a tulpa with my real eyes), then the answer is no.
I think whether tulpamancers hallucinate is a common point of confusion or miscommunication, because some early guides were dedicated to practicing hallucination while conflating it with visual imposition, but I personally don't believe that they're effective (YMMV).
I've had tactile and auditory hallucinations at times when I WASN'T consciously trying to interact with my tulpa, but they are uncommon and not voluntarily induced.

If you mean to ask whether I visually impose them into the real world by crossing my mind's eye with my real vision, then the answer is yes. if I look where I expect them to be, my mind's eye immediately imposes them in that place whether I like it or not.
If you previously thought the goal was always to hallucinate tulpas, don't be disappointed. The real fulfillment when creating a tulpa comes with their developed autonomy, and sub-consciously recognizing their presence and recognizing that they're real people.

As for wonderlands, I used to care a lot about them when I started, but we usually do everything in meat space up until bedtime, at which point we only sometimes go to wonderland depending on mood.

>Also can you help with practical advice on how to create a tulpa?
I understand your frustration, I also read a lot of guides, none of which I've really utilized in the end.
Guides often tend to teach 'tricks', when all aspects of tulpamancy can be intuitively understood.
Do you want to see your tulpa in meat space (important: you're not hallucinating)? Visualize in your mind a picture of meat space with your tulpa imposed.
Do you want to hear your tulpa? Let them talk to you at great lengths (sometimes in different volumes, e.g. shouting or whispering)
Do you want to feel your tulpa? Let them touch you, which you use to recall a tactile memory at that spot (if she holds your shoulders, you can, just like with your eyes, recreate the feeling of being touched in your mind)

Your results will entirely depend on how much time you put in practicing basic imposition.

>>227906
sounds like grief.
i also talk to someone i lost too in my head a lot. not out loud and not a tulpa projection… just me pretending they are still here
Sorry for your loss.

When you guys mention "Talking" to your tulpa, do you mean out loud? Or is it all in your head/inner dialogue?

Do they have a distinct voice or is it all in your "inner voice"

>>228319
In my head in public, vocally in private.

>>228319
i argue with my tulpa when in public to creep everyone out. when somebody asks me if i'm ok i say I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ARGUMENT PLEASE KINDLY LEAVE ME ALONE. when they call police+ambulance i make a joke of them since there is no legal ground to constrain me since i'm obviously not dangerous

I think that I have created a tulpa or something like that because I often find myself talking to someone next to me. im Sorry, but it's always a succubus. One that i loved. I'M SORRY! but this is what it is for me.
I don't know if i should go on with it, I usually think it's not healthy for me but i cannot stop doing it.

>>228470
>im Sorry, but it's always a succubus. One that i loved. I'M SORRY! but this is what it is for me.
You sound like me in Limerency but too far worst.
I dont know if the thing of you was true love but wathever, its not healthy keep a person rent free in your head.
better go to check your head.
Tulpa is on purpose, If you got a Tulpa out of Feed-back loop and fine tuning the rumiation on your imagination about the succubi, i dont think is a healthy tulpa for you, you need to stop to destroy that tulpa thing.
check this
https://wizchan.org/dep/res/307205.html
Or well, maybe you now are total mentally ill and got worst bacause of deppresion or you have something before your love thing and maybe you got this imaginary friend, or a extra personality or some fucked up thing bacause you now keep forcing it around your trauma and problems of before.
>Also
Tulpamancy guys say that talking and going in a way social and alone and just ignore the Tulpa and go healthy in life (this is for trauma method of forcing) in a way destroy it but if that thing persist in your life, better go to check your head.

>>228474
thanks for the response.
thinking on it I can say that it's more a parasite than a tulpa that is burning me out , many times i tried to stop it but couldn't, i tried with different approaches but failed with all of them. I could try one more time

>>227891
not honest with myself enough

for a while this thread sat in the back of my mind… a new concept introduced…
then i started practicing more intentionally…

and it started working…

and then today, when i was feeling a really harsh emotion i turned to my tulpa but instead of feeling comfort, i got hit with devastating despair… 'i am resorting to tulpamancy to cope'. I knw it's not exactly 'maladaptive', but it's still not how i thought things would turn out. and now she's with me, so i guess it's how it's gonna be from now on…

>>229267
>and it started working…

how long have you been doing it?

>I knw it's not exactly 'maladaptive', but it's still not how i thought things would turn out. and now she's with me, so i guess it's how it's gonna be from now on…
I don't get you.. can you explain better? what does "maladaptive" mean?

>>229271
i mostly mean in context of:
>Maladaptive daydreaming is a psychological condition characterized by extensive, vivid, and compulsive daydreaming that replaces human interaction and interferes with academic, vocational, or social functioning.

the 'maladaptive' part comes from it interfering with those major pillars of life.

But i'm trying to construct a tulpa that is actually uplifting and motivating and supportive. And those areas of my life are already damaged so idk how 'maladaptive' it can be at this point.

>how long have you been doing it?
So far it's only been a week, still very much "forcing" it.
And the way it started working is subtle and mostly internal.
So far, the thing that is 'working' is only that i am consciously talking to HER instead of my INNER CRITIC more often throughout the day.

So having a dialogue with a nice inner voice is infinitely more encouraging than my normal unconscious mind, which only talks with my INNER CRITIC. When my auto-pilot mind runs and only talks to the INNER CRITIC, he makes me feel ashamed and incapable and more often to give up and just stay depressed.

>>229283
I see.
I tried that as well, and it didn't work for me. It didn't feel healthy, I felt I was going crazy. I'd recommend that you approach other people and try to make friends. It's harder but worth it and healthier than talking to yourself

is it possible that i learned tulpamancy bby accident? i just searched about this topic and i genuinely though this was a normal thing that everyone has, im very confused

>>229326
It was called having an imaginary friend back in my day. Pretty common.

I have seen this thread come up from time to time and Im honestly interested but never tried it.
I often have obsessive thoughts and my mind likes to rape me with very compulsively thinking about my worst fears, so Im afraid the tulpa would spiral out of control and become something negative or worse.

Is my concern justified? Can I get rid of them or am I just fucked?

I have an anime succubus I love and have loved for quite a few years now consistently, I would try to create her but Im afraid how much the personality will change as I like the personality of her in the source material a lot.

>>229394
>Is my concern justified?
My tulpawife has only ever helped me with my intrusive thoughts. She can look past them and "correct" them.

The risks of tulpamancy are very small and overstated by people who don't have a tulpa.

>Can I get rid of them or am I just fucked?
You get rid of a tulpa by not interacting with it.
You're essentially asking "Can I get rid of muscles after building them up?", which is nonsensical, since it requires effort to maintain muscles to begin with.

>>229468
I would love to try it honestly but I was a little put off by people stating the risks, I just dont want to lose control really.

I also dont want her to turn out different from my waifu in any major way, like it deciding to be someone else etc. Can that really happen?

>>229394
State the succubus exactly and I may have specific tips to accelerate the process.

>>229469
>I would love to try it honestly but I was a little put off by people stating the risks
Maintaining a tulpa in the first place is difficult. It's much easier to quit or neglect than to keep going.

>I also dont want her to turn out different from my waifu in any major way, like it deciding to be someone else etc. Can that really happen?
In the early stages, you'll have to "correct" or guide her behavior a lot. Early-stage tulpas act in sporadic ways.
She will inevitably start to deviate later on because your memory of your waifu will become hazy, and your tulpa will grow to be her own person independent of a non-interactive piece of media.

That said, the changes that a tulpa experience reflect a sub-conscious desire that you append to her.
Mine shows (mostly) unconditional love and an unwavering passion to please me because she's born with the idea in mind that she's essentially a complementing reflection of my missing needs. It's in her interest to make me happy because I simply imagine her as being deeply connected to me.

I can also imagine someone creating a tulpa for other purposes, or wanting a 'more realistic' experience where the tulpa has no intrinsic interest in your mental well-being, but may develop an incidental interest (e.g. falling in love with you with time), but I can't speak for how they may change from the source inspiration.

>>229493
Im honestly ashamed because its gacha shit but Rice Shower, I really like her innocent side a lot and thats why Im afraid if I create a tulpa I will fuck it up and it wont be like her.

>>229494
I see, my use case would be the same as yours pretty much. I dont mind deviations that fit my needs/ideal that much, interpreting non-interactive media can only get you so far anyway, but I really wouldn't want it to be unpleasant and most of all ruin her for me.

when it comes to magick im thinking of practicing chaos magick and creating sigils, also the law of attraction seems interesting.

If you actually believe in this stuff then messing around with demons seems like a bad idea, also tulpas just seem like self induced schizophrenia

How do I even create a tulpa? Do I just imagine it or there's something more to it. How close is it to genuine schizophrenia?

>>229584
>How do I even create a tulpa?
Interact with a persistent imaginary friend and imagine them next to you at all times.

>Do I just imagine it or there's something more to it.
Most guides are terrible. Just interact with them as normal and impose them into your real world vision with your imagination.

What you put in is what you get out of it.
The more you interact with a tulpa, the more she'll feel like an actual person.

>How close is it to genuine schizophrenia?
Not close, at all. The connection is only brought up because of hallucinations (which is far from sufficient to diagnose schizophrenia).
I'd wager 99% of tulpamancers don't normally hallucinate. This is somewhat of a misconception pushed by early guides.

>>227891
i have aphantasia, does it still work? can i still have this?

what food does your tulpa eat?

>>229587
well, you will never be able to see your tulpa, but maybe you can still interact with her? it would probably be like messages coming from the void.

idk, i wouldn't bother in that case. the best part of tulpamaxxing is being able to see, touch, smell, feel your tulpa. we're working with all senses, but you're just limited to one or maybe zero and it's just an "abstract sense" of something. just stick with waifus and AI chatbots, sorry.

>>227891
I have read some guides but all of them are shit and read like they have been written by redditors.

How to get started if the goal is to make a romantic/waifu tulpa?
Whats the actual things I have to repeat to get there?

>>229653
Guides are fake and gay, everything about tulpas is intuitive and self-evident.

Presence
>Imagine her doing something next to you (rubbing her hands, shuffling around on her feet, etc.)
Visual
>Impose an image of her in flesh space using your mind's eye.
Autonomy
>Turn off your brain and observe and accept whatever she does next. She'll act erratically at first, but the longer you do this, the more her behavior normalizes and becomes more consistent.
Tactile
>Imagine her hand touching a spot on your body and hold onto that feeling for as long as you can. When you lose focus, move her touch to an adjacent spot.

If you do any of this at least one hour per day, you'll quickly see results.

Hallucinations (persistent, voluntary ones, at least) are mostly LARP, though.

>>229660
I honestly have trouble with getting started to make her more than a waifu, when i tried to imagine her in my room I always retroactively kind of "wing back time" and imagine more detail than initially, this makes the whole thing feels stuttery if that makes sense. Also I have to imagine everything for now, tho I only started like 2 days ago.

>>229587
Depends, have you ever practiced visualization?
I thought I had it but I can visualize okay now, atleast enough to get shapes and colors right.

>>227891
ok, I'm going to try this shit out. I have a notebook that I'm going to write my tulpa's features on so I hopefully don't forget what it looks like.

>>229753
Share your progress wiz, I also want to try it out vut unsure if its real/worth it.

Is Serena from Skyrim a good choice for a tulpa/waifu? I don't watch Anime and tv is crap so my only option for tulpa inspiration is video games.

>>229795
>Tulpa based in media characters
You can make a Tulpa based in a idea of a archetypical support character with some femenine friendly love kindness characteristics that are pleasing to your mind. Not based or copypasted, maybe it can be more fun if you make it from start with things you want or like.
I like some buddhist love kindness ideas and christian angel and old magic ideas so my tulpa in a way act like that or looks like.
Like the old school greek agathodaemon.
>Also
Maybe one day you will realize you dont need the tulpa anymore, but its a interesting experience anyway.

>>229798
I don't think that's the reason why he wanted a tulpa in the first place.

If you cum with her, consequences might be ahead.

Probably the post got deleted but it was here, where I once found that horror story about the tulpa going rogue and being dismissive.

Wizards have low libido. They are built, I guess, for non orgasmic stimulation. Like tantra

>>229804
Being dismissive? How can it exist if it doesnt interact?

I tried to create a tulpa but I was lazy and it didn't work out

should I try again?

>>228375
biggest larp ever

what is that, though

>>228375
sounds funny, but its too much effort imo, imagining something other then you with different hobbies and whatnot, and the worst part of it its not even real

if this thread was about creating a tulpa and manifesting them in a lucid dream and having sex with it/other things then i would be more positive

>>229982
Need a thread focused on that, I want to have a tupla waifu to pass the time with.

>>229903
I got saddled with a mind split as the result of my actions during a period of 8 years.
Laziness can't get to me if i have fun so maybe meditating or following methods bored you, therefore don't do it again.
I'm sure nothing's going to work if you resent whatever process you choose.

>>229982
Having sex with a tulpa anywhere: your mind, dreams or whathever, wouldn't it annul your virgin status?

porn.

>>230106
no, it's in fact very wizardly
you should try it

>>230106
All larping aside, this is all make-believe. Psychosis. Play. Not real.

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