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 No.308572[Reply]

this down syndrome couple are like barbie and ken within the down syndrome ecosystem and that realization made me laugh so hard but also they don't seem aware of what's going on.
On the one hand, they must not know they can't be normalfag since people get an uncanny v alley reaction the moment they see them, on the other, they are totally unaware of this and have only a superficial understanding of what their actions, words, and clothes convey to the public, so they can't change it. You can see towards the end of the video reporters don't recognize them as normalfags or part of a group and having to deal with them besides what's necessary for tv would be bothersome.
The downies for them are just disabled people in normie costumes and with a lent mindset for general public appeal and nothing the downies do will change that no matter how hard they try. I think something similar would happen if a wizard ever tried to be "normal". People would notice and you will be discouraged because it doesn't come off natural. This is why when autists and aspergers search for friends they tend to look for others like them or risk being the weirdo of the group and even so there's still the risk of being the undesirable of the group.
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 No.310379

>>310376
It's a slang term for vomit.
Both a noun and verb.

So someone could barf.
Or there could be barf on the floor over there where someone barfed.

Get it?

 No.312488

It's rare to see an underclass thriving on life enough to escape their situation and improve their situations. Autists, uglies, short, balds, etc. they remain like that for the rest of their lives.

 No.312492

>>312488
Doing the same things takes you the same place.

 No.314390

downies are norpmaxxin now lol

 No.314402

being accepted in modern society is a form of illusion. people are locusts and when they regard you highly in socitey, then only because they believe they can take advantage of you and gain, thus 'getting ahead'. there isn't more to it. there is not some standard that you can pass and then suddenly human interaction stops being a monetary transaction.

what op implies, this yearning for belonging, is something that modern society can not provide because modern society is a theater serving the elite few with the clear goal of creating losers and winners. and the winners are actually losers too. so everybody* loses.

*everybody who believes in social status that is.



 No.314244[Reply]

How do you think these walls in Peru were built? The only thing I can imagine is they had some way of melting the stone and were able to fit them together almost like clay.

It seems that long before us there was a civilization of intelligent people who had technology that we still don't understand, despite how "advanced" we are.
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 No.314395

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>f it gets destroyed, it's not because it wasn't built to last, it's likely because the people don't want it anymore, for whatever reasons, and they might build something else there instead.

It gets destroyed because our culture is disposable. People only care about money. If anything doesn't serve that purpose then it needs to be destroyed and replaced with something that does maximize profit.


In the case of ancient cultures I wonder how often they demolished things compared to our culture which is constantly demolishing and rebuilding things.

There are some people who try to promote the idea that the dynastic Egyptians didn't build the pyramids because the earliest pyramids were
the most advanced and the later ones were more simple. The older pyramids used really hard materials like granite and had very defined shapes. While later pyramids were more simple and used mud bricks and natural hills. The theory is that the Egyptians inherited the early pyramids from an even more ancient global civilization and later on tried to recreate them with more primitive methods.

But if you compare it to our culture, we are constantly demolishing old structures to build new ones in their place. If our society was to fall, most of our oldest structures would be our best ones, and people would build more and more simple structures as society deteriorated.

 No.314396

>>314380
>There's zero drive among anyone to make anything that will stick around because our culture is such shit and not something we would want to pass on.

i can respect the ambition to build something monumental that is supposed to last a long time as well as planting trees i will never be able to enjoy the shade of as a present to future generations.

but i also feel responsibility towards the reality of how short a human life is and how much tradition can be dead people's garbage weighing the current generation down.

personally i like to build things that are fast to construct AND equally fast to deconstruct so that i can replace them with something i would rather have once i no longer need the thing i have built. to me that is also a form of wise forethought. it reminds me of treating objects like objects and not personify them. i prefer '100% function 0% aesthetic' and to my surprise i end up liking how the stuff looks.

building something that is supposed to last this long into the future i consider slightly arrogant. it implies that current generations know best what future generations want and need while at the same time being tortured by the idiotic anti-human administrative stupidity of the past generations.

also what if you build somethig nice and then comes some evil empire that wants to steal your oil and just conquers the beautiful thing you built and puts a fast food restaurant inside as an insult.

does strike me as odd though that there are such incredible heavy building machines and the ease of industrial productions that would make building something monumental so achievable. it is a surprise to me that billionaires don't do that more. building big ass buildings would be a way better past time then wasting their life trying to influence elections that are mostly theater anyways…

 No.314397

>>314385
maybe they put up gigantic sails that funneled the naturally occuring sand storms so that the sand falls onto the stones in a certain angle. or maybe they put up stones against the sand storms that naturally smoothed, with the sandy wind acting as the sandpaper.

 No.314398

>>314395
>People only care about money

i guess this is the root of it. if other economic models would be implemented and the entire shadow of the money would to collapse and with it the shackles it holds humanity bondage in, culture might be more durable.

i'd still want my stuff to be biodegradable though so that it just melts back into the planet after a few decades. i wanted to build stuff for me, not giving a fuck what was before me, future people wanna build stuff they need themselves based on their dreams. i wouldn't want my old garbage to inhibit what little creativity that wasn't beaten out of future generations, it would feel selfish to me.

if i wanted to have a nice place to skate to spend my life and there was a big area unused because it was some ancient theater that the vain people of today want to keep around even though the bones of the last people who went there have already decomposed, i'd feel disrespected. i am more important then the dead people.

 No.314401

I was looking at some tourist videos of Egypt. The Red Pyramid in Dashur looks really nice to visit.
The Giza plateau is where the Great Pyramid is, but it's insanely crowded, tons of plastic trash on the ground everywhere, and tons of people trying to sell stuff to tourists.
However in this video showing the Red Pyramid it looks very chill and cozy by comparison. It actually kind of looks like an ancient, deserted place.



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 No.312484[Reply]

It's not about how hard you work. Or how much you study.

To win promotions and get better opportunities, you need to be promoted by others who already have opportunities and money.

Those are not awarded on merit - they are awarded by social relations.
As a neurodivergent, you will never forge alliances with those in power or those who can promote you beyond anything other than shift manager at Starbucks or McDonald's.

It's a prison made by normies - for normies. You cannot escape it as a non-NT unless you make massive amounts of money through investments, which is completely unrealistic for 99,99% of the population.

Being neurodivergent is almost the same as a death sentence, it's a poverty trap. In fact, 86% of autists can't even get hired at all let alone get promoted to better positions.
Only 14% have jobs at all!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/86-of-adults-with-autism-are-unemployed-this-job-fair-aims-to-change-that-1.5089780

The cards were always so massively stacked against you, it cannot be said it's your fault at all. You can only curse or blame your parents for giving you these genes.
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 No.314354

>>314353
>"cannot ever" implies that you know what isn't possible; you don't. you're being arrogant

no, it's not arrogance, just truth. Science is not a religion. It is a system designed to study the natural, material world. Using science to understand greater concepts of metaphysics, philosophy, etc. is just silly. It's like using a tape measurer for a job that needs a screwdriver, it doesn't make sense, it was never intended for that purpose, and any attempt otherwise is to try and elevate a system of study into something it's not. Read about the history of science and its origin and not what some new age stoner or atheist talking head. There are, by definition, limits to science if science is defined as an investigative system of studying the material world, namely that by definition, it cannot speak on fully immaterial properties.

People confuse science for formal logic, which is its own discipline, and similary for mathematics, its own thing, both of which are rooted closer to philosophy. Philosophy of course, has its roots in religion and faith, theology the father of all these things.

Stop worshipping science, it is worse than a false god, it's not even a god. It's just a tape measurer.

 No.314357

>>314355
>Science and religion are one and the same.
explain

 No.314359

>>314354

to me it looks like your insistence of strict disambiguation and formally defined terms hinders more then it helps; assuming you are even interested in clearly communicating your thoughts.

words can never be more then signs pointing in a general direction. your ultimate belief in them looks misguided to me.

science and religion may as well be considered languages or habits. in science you publish results. in religion, you preach. you can use the one to express the other to some extend.

when looking at your statement
>science cannot ever explain any of these things
in that light, science can easily be used to explain religion and vice versa. your belief in the validity of limits has limited you from understanding that your limits are invalid.

i still maintain that it is an arrogant assertion to claim that you know what isn't possible. it implies that you have all the information (you do not), ran all the simulations (you did not, how could you with incomplete information) and know all possible scenarios (you don't, it would require you to have run all the simulations). that's arrogant delusion. my guess is you have chosen a very weak definition of 'impossible' the same way teenager say "oh my god" to everything. somebody does a backflip and you cross your arms and croak "that's impossible" even though it clearly is possible.

i guess more generally your assertion that you know what is impossible represents your long relation with limitation.

 No.314363

>>314355
define science and religion in your own words then

>>314359
cease such nonsensical pseudo mysticism, that is the stuff if charlatans. i am certain you can at least agree that words have meaning, and definitions matter, otherwise this conversation in English is meaningless. Formal definitions don't hinder or help, they simply define. That is an apple. This is a chair. I am possibly replying to a troll, that is, someone who argued to get a rise out of people in bad faith online. Words. Definition. Clarity.

Science, if one takes the time to actually study its history, development, or even picking a dictionary, will find in actuality that it is indeed, nothing more than a tape measurer of things in the material world. That is, things that are tangible, and ideally, repeatable in a scientific experimental system. Again, by definition it does NOT explain the WHY behind things, only HOW things happen, and if you asked yet another why underneath that, you are only met with another scientific how answer of chemicals, reaction, PHYSICAL properties either observed or inferred. Absolutely and utterly nothing to do with anything spiritual or metaphysical, that is, above physics, the physics of physics itself, the realm of pure abstraction and reason.

Without this clarity of thought, confusing science and religion, yoi are simply lost. Up is down and down is up, it is just by definition nonsense spouted by cannibas-addled minds pretending to discuss a level of intellectial depth via an inflatable kiddy pool. Bah.

I urge to examine yourself, or at least stop smoking as much weed before posting. Next you will tell me the numbers 1 and 2 are the same thing, just uttet nonsensd

 No.314379

>>314363

thoroughly uninteresting post, i can appreciate you bothered to write a lot, for some people writing does not come easy, your reluctance could be an indicator that you are among those who have difficulties but the foul aftertaste of your words remain. in that case despite me disagreeing heavily, i could still appreciate the effort.

regardless, you are certain in things you have no business being certain of. wise men are full of doubts, they leave room for error and the unforseen.

you can't really prove that something is impossible. you can prove things are possible by doing them. but there is no proof of things being impossible, you can only prove they are impossible for you with your current situation. people can't prove god but neither can they disprove god.

to me this represents a severe lack of humility. the humble wiseman would take the blame and say he did not succeed. but the bumbeling fool loudly and arrogantly declares that things he tried are impossible, like an elephant in a shop that sells fragile porcelain tea cups.

the human eye does not even see the full spectrum, the human ear can only hear limited frequencies and you mean to tell me that you with all your limitation (including the cornucopia of things you don't even know enough to understand how limited you are in even just perceiving them) detected something to be impossible? well that doesn't really say much given how limited you are, compared to possibility.

when i read your words, i don't get the feeling you are someone who has had his mind blown with possibility, i suspect the opposite: you had your mind imploded, collapsed in itself due to lack of utilization…



 No.296675[Reply]

wizards love exercising they love feeling powered out from a hot workout session

when was the last time you exercised
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 No.314232

Finally got me a 50lb dumbbell for some actual weight training, I was cool with doing pushups but I feel like there's limits to what one can gain from that.
This wasn't the best idea perhaps, it's lookin like me doing hammer curls with both hands and just the one weight until I can handle a bit more with one arm? And trying not to bop my balls when I bring that shit down lmao

 No.314250

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>>314101
>CoC is really good for grip training

Thanks I decided to buy it, the No. 1 resistance version.
I like that it has metal knurled handles, seems high quality. Hopefully it'll help build up some calluses. The gripper and dumbbells I have now are rubber handles which are a little too soft on the hands.

>>314232
Nice. Dumbbells are super versatile. You can use them for all kinds of exercises like leg squats, ab crunches, etc… not just for your arms.

 No.314252

>>314251
Well met. I just got back from the gym. Hit 4 sets of 6x120lb tricep pushdowns, 10x10x250lb shrugs, and a bunch of 100lb barbell curls to failure in between. I'm too too heavy to do a pullup (my bones are made of depleted uranium) but I can hang for 30 seconds and growing

 No.314254

>>314250
I was planning to do some squats with it too, just did but had to wait until my upper body felt way less cooked :3
And also did a lot of [that flank workout where you lean to one side with the weight and pull back up to the starting position fuck I wish I could remember what that was called]. feels good man

 No.314374

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My gym's Precor leg press sled is 136lb on 45° rails. Added 400lb of plates for a total 536lb. 45° incline detracts 30% of 536 for 375. That means I can SINGLE calf raise 375 at full range for 10+ reps with no noticeable fatigue. I will try to hit doubles of 850, but after incline deduction that would push the max load of the machine… I am not going to quad press that weight because I will literally shit my guts out.

Here's a kawaii wolfsuccubus



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 No.314075[Reply]

vermis a book about a video game that never exist but it's comfy. don't worry you don't have to buy the books because the volume 1 and 2 are available in pdf format:
>vermis 1
https://archive.org/details/vermis-i-plastiboo_202401
>vermis 2
https://fr.scribd.com/document/721950734/Vermis-II-Mist-Mirrors-Hollow-Press-2023-SCAN-1ji8io
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 No.314274

Reading through the 1st one.
It's interesting.
As a amateur gamedev it seems silly to me to make an artbook for a nonexistent game instead of just making the game because the hardest part about making a videogame these days is the art assets.
I could easily see this being like Kings Field/Lunacid moreso than a Soulslike

 No.314276

>>314274
as soulslikes are in fashion, so I will see the game as a soulslike haha.
>as a amateur gamedev
what game are you working on?

 No.314303

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>>314276
open world roguelike
I haven't touched it in months, I lost motivation

 No.314309

>>314303
looks like you need a lot of work to do it, how much time did it take to make this (actual progress)?

 No.314364

>>314309
I took me a few months, but that is because I effectively enginedevved and nearly everything is my own code.
If it was done in Unity, Unreal, or Godot it wouldn't have taken nearly as long.



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 No.303590[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Fred bought 420chan for $4200 a couple months ago, details of the agreement are here: https://420chan.org/contract.pdf
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 No.314285

Anyone here regularly train with gymnastics rings?

 No.314294

Why even give this traitorous, degenerate attention-whore any attention?

 No.314295

>>314294
that's a past wizchan admin, show some respect

 No.314296

>>314294
Why give him attention? Why call him a gutless dogfucker? Because he is, and his actions continue to afflict the internet as a whole. It's important to keep tabs on people like him and to laugh at such an abomination's expense. He continues to do evil unto us so we shall make sport of him. Believe it or not, but Freddy is a 100% normal person (at least the brain part) so it's not likely he's beating his little midge meat to our words of hatred.

I assure you that on a board filled by adult men, your train of thought is alien. Asking (and Sageing no less) why we give something we dislike any attention is no different than a gypsy succubus mumbling a "just chill, no bad vibes allowed" mantra.

>>314295
>past
Well, as of May…

 No.314817

>>314296
I don't know why you're so unpleasant and rude


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 No.310626[Reply]

Many, many years ago, I think it was 2017 I really wanted to help fellow wizzies.

So I got rich off crypto, yes, one of those early adopter guys.

In 2017 or so Ethereum was just starting to take hold. It cost around 7$ to 14$.

I did some modelling and extrapolated that it has extremely high likelihood of replicating Bitcoin's initial success due to tokenomic system.

I made a post on wizchan back in the day (forgot which domain) and told you wizzies to buy ETH as it will most likely go up 100x and you will all be rich like me.

Guess what happened next? Admin deleted the thread for no reason. I tried to help and admin just deleted the thread and warned me.

Of course ETH did 100x at least. All what I said happened over the course of next few years. If any lucky wizards read the thread before it got deleted you'd be rich right now.

It's really sad and kind of disgusting moderators did this and shot community in the foot. I really wanted to help and nothing more. For wizards like us getting rich is the ONLY redemption we can hope for.
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 No.312524

crypto leeches are the lowest of the low. I have no respect for you or anyone else who lives off of collecting financial arbitrage.

 No.312527

My only complain about mods its because they are now allowing crabs to post

 No.313908

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>>310626
Teach people how to fish, instead of giving them fish.
I think that it would be better if you posted videos and free courses which explain the logic and economic theory behind your calculations. Or just general economic functions literacy.
I know it's realistically even more impossible but at least you'd have a chance to actually hwlp a couple of wizzies out not just with ETH but generally understanding investment.

 No.313910

OP just won the cassino, nothing more or less

 No.314083

>>310668
>monero bad because it has actual use case



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 No.313101[Reply]

wizards itt i try to channel a spell. since i am a legit health wizard, my focused attention can manifest physically. there is surprisingly few magical activity happening in here but i am not willing to take example of that.

the spell i am humbly attempting is healing. these are the magic words:

>may every wizard who wants to be more healthy find a way to become more healthy.


the idea is i keep posting in the thread, having the thread serve as a reminder for you; of your power to create positive change in your life and not succumb to the general direction of decay. i intend to hold high the proclamation that you can be both the architect and the builder of a better life if you so choose, it is up to you. you can just decide to be more healthy, demand it from yourself and watch the gears start to turn as your intelligence comes up with ideas to improve your situation and then your muscles turning the ideas into actions.

i've said this before, don't mind me repeating it: the number one most important aspect of healing is the belief that it is possible to improve. everything starts from this positive expectation, this confidence and if you boil it down and look into why some people have it and others don't, it is that those who have it decided to have it. choose health.
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 No.313552

after a while of putting effort into maintaining a positive habit, it no longer requires the effort. it just becomes normality. everything becomes effortless and quick and suddenly there is space to do other things.

in the beginning making a big change costs willpower, a short duration of climbing up a hill. the hill is never as big as it seems though. after walking up this hill carefully, making small steps, the top is reached and after that it goes downhill and everything becomes easy.

the willpower only needs to be summoned in the beginning. i keep wondering if most people's perception of willpower is just wrong. they think of it as a genetic attribute. an adjective that you are either born with or not. that's idiocy to me, all willpower is keeping a thought in your head. thinking it often. thinking about it, imagining it. that's all it is. achieving something is thinking about it for one minute today and for two minutes tomorrow. it's a verb, it's an action, it's a skill and the more you do it the better you get at it.

every time i completed something using willpower i am left with the same feeling: this was easy, i thought it might be difficult but it turned out it wasn't, had i known how easy it would have been i would not have procrastinated it for so long. complete a few things that way and you are already deep into using your potential and everything seems like it is easy and possible. that's how a positive upward spiral that can lift a person out of depression/ nihilism can begin. just by holding the thought.

i already eat healthy but recently i put a bit more effort in and bothered to get stuff i believe is even better for me and stopped eating a snack here and there once in a while. my father wanted to buy me dinner in an indian restaurant today and i tricked him. i said "sure come over at 11 and then later we can go eat there" and instead of having him buy me cooked dinner in a restaurant, i made a big ass salad with this increadible sauce from sesame paste and raw tomato. been feeling good the last few days, i know i am over the hill now and maintaining eating like this and rejecting all sinful food will be easy now.

 No.313559

time is the only currency. there are other currencies that pretend to be the currency but they are not the currency.

 No.313565

>>313559

time is not money

one thing (which arrogantly insists on being called currency) decides how big and luxurious your bedroom is or how shiny and new your vehicle is. it can be measured in pieces of paper, or variables in a computer. mostly just bytes on a memory.

the other thing (which humbly doesn't advertise for itself) decides whether you will be here tomorrow.

one can be easily regulated, manipulated and stored.

the other one is just and righteous, it is distributed to everyone fairly. similar to the sun who shines on everybody unconditionally. it is so perishable that it can never be stored. it can only be used fresh.

through the theater of 'work' one (the fake one) exists as a desperate attempt of those who don't have the other, to trick people out of their fair share of the other.

money is just a complicated, cruel, deceitful method of holding other people's time hostage.

don't be tricked into giving your fair share away. you can not hold it, only slightly bend it in your favor. keep it and use it while you have it.

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 No.313561[Reply]

I don't know whether this has to do with me being a virgin bro, but I've always loved the trope in shows where a serious, angry female fighter, attacker, villain, or any upset and belligerent succubus blushes after being randomly kissed by the guy she is trying to physically hurt, or after receiving some form of affectionate treatment, whether by accident or on purpose.
I like that it shows more depth to the character, revealing that she is a vulnerable human, and has a softer feminine romantic side. It's also hilarious as well, seeing that a kiss can break her concentration and make her feel infatuated for a moment. I've enjoyed this trope ever since I was a kid. It’s a masculine idea that you can quell a succubus’s ire with a kiss, even if it's just for a mere second, and I think it works really well in fiction. It is a male fantasy I suppose but it is a funny and interesting one.

This thread is to share all those tropes that you like, virgin bros
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 No.313668

if the two of you were both *really* as satisfied with your respective lives as you claim, there would be no need to come on here and defend your choices, much less belittle the life paths of others.

 No.313670

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>>313668

don't lump me in with someone who may as well put on a vr-headset and stay in virtual reality all day while real reality happens without him. just cut off your body, have your brain be kept in a glass filled with glowing fluid, attach it to usb and keep it alive so you can watch videos in your head.

if you don't think this should be belittled then you defend it, what's so great about a life based on illusion and without substance?. i'm just over here belitteling the concept of illusion and entertainment while you come up with something of substance, in the meantime (assuming you too can not come up with anything that justifies this life) i look down on you.

 No.313684

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>>313683
>you are literally mentally ill lmfao

that's not a lot you have to say for yourself. just some canned, generic, uncreative response that could have applied to just any thread.

you know the penguin holding the tray? here you probably love that meme and you can use it in any situation because that's all you ever have to say. you're just a machine.

 No.313685

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i like the trope of Pinocchio. just some liar who finally understands being a liar sucks and then once he stops lying, he becomes real.

 No.313690

>>313689
then why don't you point out what is mentally ill? probably because you can't.



 No.308982[Reply]

I saw this movie and it is one of the saddest and most decadent things I have seen in a while. A guy who was biologically designed to be submissive and follow orders, with the sole objective of killing his race, where his only consolation is an AI that appears as pornographic propaganda everywhere, at the same time that it is used in the worst possible way to be nothing more than another mercenary, making him believe that he is somehow the chosen one or some shit like that.

I haven't seen such a decadent movie in a while. The characters are dead inside, they are simple machines for killing and following orders, they lack freedom and are nothing more than puppets used for other people's interests.
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 No.312121

>>312120
I feel you, imagination is somehow better than all the crap that you can find online.
Sometimes I just lay in bed and use my imagination only, and it beats all my past VR experiences…

 No.312143

>>312121
Yeah I have some unique kinks and fetishes. And yet I don't need to seek out a very specific type of porn. I watch very generic porn but just impose my own story on it, like my plot was what lead up to the current events. So power of imagination + 4k production combined its explosive.

 No.312146

>>312143
glad it works for you, my fetishes would require something visual, not just a background story, so I'm a bit more unlucky I guess

 No.313631

>>312120
the media provides you with that, you're meant to self-insert by default

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