/dep/ - Depression

The frightening part is everyone mistaking the rationalization of this irrationality for it "getting better". Because when you see it like that it becomes clear that as the organisms we are, we can and do come up with elaborate coping mechanisms to prolong life no matter how painful it becomes: see boomers for a perfect example of this.

Meanwhile young people take risks or kill themselves with relative nonchalance. My only answer for this is that we grow attached to life, again, no matter how bad it becomes. Really bad news for the wizard crowd, man.

I think I am in an interesting situation, a lot of outcasts and loser types have freely indulged for decades non-stop their hobbies, pleasures and interests. But I always refrained from these because I thought it would be wiser to save these things for bad times, this was before I realized this rationalization of irrationality action. Should I finally indulge in stuff I like or pull the trigger already?

>>304293
After Scott Adams said he would have to murder his son to prevent him from being a crab shooter

>>304297
Epictetus? He was a stoic, right? My favorite stoic idea is the "premeditatio malorum", that is, envisioning worst-case scenarios so as to be mentally prepared for them. However, worshipping "rationality" is inhumane. you have to acknowledge the influence "irrational" (that is, primitive, instinctual, emotional or even "unexplainable") drives have. Maybe it's something that's easier to understand if you are unrestrained or disinhibited, or at least know or knew someone like that.

>>304301
Indulge in stuff. I am not going to tell you to suicide. But in the end it's your choice. I sadly can't just cast a spell that makes it impossible for you to suicide no matter what.

Have you ever seen the Robert Crumb documentary? His brother Charles was a wizard. He still lived with his mother when the documentary was made. But he offed himself before the documentary was even released. He was 49 years old. That decision - suicide - it was just tragic, not "logical"..

His other brother Max, currently 80 years old, was in the same documentary literally speaking of raping succubi hahah. And he didn't off himself

>>304301
>The frightening part is everyone mistaking the rationalization of this irrationality for it "getting better". Because when you see it like that it becomes clear that as the organisms we are, we can and do come up with elaborate coping mechanisms to prolong life no matter how painful it becomes: see boomers for a perfect example of this.

>Meanwhile young people take risks or kill themselves with relative nonchalance.

I think it's the other way round: young yobs have no idea how to handle situations that aren't even that bad for an old chap.

>>304294
>>304294
it's the other way around, isn't it???

>>304020
Any examples of how it should be practiced?

>>304105
>>304020
>How to meditation
There's a thread about this topic here with a lot of things >>303398
Just do it often.

no matter what you say, death is always an answer. i'm just too cowardly to go through with it.

>>303985
I think you mean Rosenfeld.
"Roosevelt" is an invented public title made in the facultative purpose of de-jewing a namesake; no different really to "Kennedy", which is an another invented surname standing in place of the older and original Venetian-Jewish (((Cavendish))).

>HAVE A SHOWER AND GO OUTSIDE!
I live in a shithole and i'm surrounded by people i hate. I'm a foreigner in my own country. I hate everyone. No matter how many jobs i get or people i talk to i will still be a complete outsider. The normalfag can't comprehend this. I haven't had a conversation in around 6 years that was even small talk everyone i've ever liked killed themselves or is in jail.

>>303241
Are you saying you believe in true love?

>>303243
I think so, like you(?) describe in >>303238. It's a kind of metaphysical thing, like some souls are just linked or something.

bumping good thread yur chicken is cool

>>302193
7. Actually living in a remote location/off the grid/in a place where less that a half of your building has electricity outlets

>>302003
As a child, yes. A cat and an oddly affectionate one at that. He's dead now so there's no point in grieving. Grief should be reserved before the act of death and released afterwards. When death happens suddenly it shocks us to our core, that's why sudden deaths are traumatic.

>>304289
>preferences in phones after he promised me to gift one
I think it's a generational thing, I get used gadgets from the parents all the time - I just stick them in a pile in the closet and cycle them into the trash when there is room. Old cell phones included - what anyone would want with a 5 year old cellphone (besides an ad fraud farm) is lost on them. It still turns on and loads facebook so it's a 'good phone right there!'

>>304289
>>preferences in phones after he promised me to gift one
Imagine being a young geek and being gifted a modded keitai from Japan. If only.
>>304295
I think the #1 use for old phones is MP3 player.

>>304295
>I think it's a generational thing, I get used gadgets from the parents all the time - I just stick them in a pile in the closet and cycle them into the trash when there is room. Old cell phones included - what anyone would want with a 5 year old cellphone (besides an ad fraud farm) is lost on them. It still turns on and loads facebook so it's a 'good phone right there!'

I understand you, old celles are only good for limited online activities or useful for offline activities like downloading some calming music and playing it throughout night. Or some other DIY like haha funny living wallpaper/clokky

https://www.relaxingclock.com/

https://flipclock.online/

https://bestonlineclock.com/

>>304295
>what anyone would want with a 5 year old cellphone (besides an ad fraud farm)
Oh, my AI helper steps in :)

Haha, hey man, as a gadget whiz who's tinkered with more old phones than I can count, your friend's question is spot on—5-year-old cellphones (think 2020-era like iPhone 11 or Galaxy S10) aren't trash; they're gold for clever hacks. Besides shady ad fraud farms (yeah, those bots churning clicks for pennies), here's what folks actually want 'em for in 2025—practical, low-effort repurposes that beat recycling:

1. *DIY Security Cam*: Slap on apps like Alfred or AtHome—mount it overlooking your door/garage. Wi-Fi streams live video to your main phone, motion alerts, even night vision if the camera's decent. Perfect for renters or cheap home monitoring; no need for pricey Ring setups.

2. *Baby/Pet Monitor*: Apps like Dormi turn it into a remote nanny—audio/video feed, two-way talk. Stick it in the nursery or by the crib; beats buying a $50 dedicated gadget. Parents swear by this for peace of mind.

3. *Dedicated Media Player*: Load it with Spotify/YouTube Music offline, or use as a car stereo via Bluetooth. No ads interrupting your drive…

4. *Universal Remote or Smart Home Hub*: Apps like Unified Remote control your TV, PC, or lights (works with Alexa/Google Home). Or donate it to vets via Cell Phones for Soldiers—they refurbish for emergency calls abroad.

5. *Webcam or E-Reader*: Hook it to your laptop as a wireless cam for Zoom (via EpocCam), or sideload Kindle app for distraction-free reading. Battery life's still solid for desk use.

Bonus: If it's got a good screen, make it a digital photo frame with apps like Digital Display


(not to mention his idea to "sell it on eBay")

>>302683
>>304289
>>304295
Phew!


My father called, somehow we made peace, somehow we talked that through.


Turns out he was generous enough to get me a FRESH cool device (on a black friday sale?) and not an old one. So I pretty much felt it and apologized profusely for geeking out like a 13-something kid I used to be after reading a bunch of magazines

>>304280
I want to be a natural blonde and blue-eyed person with paler skin, from a Germanic tribe, and mainly from a 1st world country.

>>304292
That wouldn't be you. You are what you are on an ontological level.

the only thing that gives life meaning is strong emotional experiences. maybe you're not going to experience romantic love and being respected by your peers, but you could enjoy the feeling of progressing in a skill, satisfying your curiosity, experiencing beautiful things in general, not just people but in nature. you could go to a casino and experience the thrill of putting everything on red. you could get in a fight and win. you could post actually funny and interesting threads on the internet and make someone laugh.

>>304299
>the only thing that gives life meaning is strong emotional experiences
nope, just hedonistic cope.

>>304282
>Are you the guy who only wants to do math and draw?
Nope
I liked to draw as kid but now no. I studied some piano and music theory but i abandoned it.
I like to read but i have too much digital hobbies, maybe i need more non-computer related.

What do fellow wizzies here think of the /fringe/ reading list? petsonally ive only read the kybalion so i can't really comment on it, not to mention that it's getting a lot of bad rep lately in hermetic circles for not relating to hermeticism, but otherwise there's the arcane formulas, and the science of breath, and bardon's exercises that i want you anons opinion on.

>>304190
Stick with the reading list. It’s really good. Also I would recommend the book hatha yoga by the same author of the Hindu yogi science of breath, kybalion, arcane formula, etc (the author in question is William Walker Atkinson). The book hatha yoga delves into obscure methods of staying healthy that the elites don’t want you to know about. Highly recommended.

>>304190
>What do fellow wizzies here think of the /fringe/ reading list? petsonally ive only read the kybalion
They Kybalion is a re-made up of another book of Atkinson (arcane formulas? Or some tittle with mansonry in it i dont remember) with more hermetic aesthetic, i dont like it. I enjoyed it at my first entrance in supposed western esoterism (its not western esoterism but its kinda into modern religious esoterism pre-new age like teosophy) but now I know its kinda lame, its like a new age book.
>not to mention that it's getting a lot of bad rep lately in hermetic circles for not relating to hermeticism
It have a lot or new thought ideas, its not truly hermetic philosophy with greek-egyptian lore rituals and etc.
New thought its more like a offshot of Mesmerism-Hypnosis with Christian Science with some light indian beliefs or aesthetics with some universal metaphysics. If you enjoy it as a chaoist or it make thing for you work for the paradigm its ok, In ME personal case, dont work for me.
>and bardon's exercises that i want you anons opinion on.
Suppusoedly Bardon stealed some secret book and paper of a magic lodge or something (sound like crowley) but i dont know.
Bardon intro to hermetics its like a Raja Yoga with a lot of techniques focuses on breath, visualization and correspondences and etc. Its very technical at first not to focused on ritualism (he have other books focused on that topic)
I enjoy bardon and some techniques are from Indian Yogas techniques and maybe chinese and others from western ideas, I see it more focused on itself esoteric system than a Hypnosis or belief like new thoughts guys.
This book its more internal (like a qi gong as example) than external focused on rituals or invocations evocations, etc.
>Its true hermetism?
In bardon sense, yeah, but in a hermetic philosophy and practices of western greek-egyptian-alchemy OG lore, nope. Go read hermetic philosophy and religious books of hermetism for that.

>Fringe reading list
If you want some books of magick of personal, post-modern, maybe lodge tradition or new age fluffbunny and wicca there're some books here Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>304192
>if you don't have a middle ground between absolute belief, dogma and agnosticism you can become a asshole.
always stay humble in your beliefs. i really enjoyed the kybalion for what it was the first time ive read but i obviously was a bunch of snake oil bullshit from the get-go, empty promises with no real hermetic background. Hells he even failed to describe hermetic philosophy properly. that leddit jew was right in regards to him, because when i read the arcane teachings he also somehow created a new occult order out of the blue from supposedly ancient chaldea called the arcane council, with the same recycle "hermetic laws" and manifestation/unmanifestation phaes of creation. im kinda pissed off i wasted my time for nothing. thank you /fringe/. Might have better luck with other books tho.

>>303398
Read this book, very useful as a start for knowledge of anxiety and how to fix behaviour.

>>304236
This.

I can't stand people, I live in a overpopulated european city and every time I leave the house I have to endure crowds of people driving cars, talking to each other and forming queues in shops.

Now that winter is coming they also spread viruses and illnesses. It's intolerable how selfish and shallow humans are, they don't care if we get sick.

>>304257
Can't tell if a troll or just the general mindset on this chan. We got covid measures, because niggers like you went along with them, retard.

>Hurr durr other selfish
Meanwhile lives in an already overpopulated city

>>304275
>B-but people have no choice about where they live
Yeah, I bet the rest of those assholes are saying the same thing, yall deserve each other

>>304275
I'm forced to live with my parents and I'm immunodepressed, so yeah these selfish assholes meeting with relatives for christmas spread all kind of diseases. I truly despise this time of the year.

>>304275
>covid was bad
That was one of the best years of my life as an actual 30+ wizard. Life actually paused, the whole of life paused, any guilt trips from my parents, from my coworkers, from MYSELF were on hold. As a working wizard I got to reexperience life as a NEET again.

There are a lot of niggers complaining about people being sheep. Those people are fags who think they're smarter than they actually are since they were deaf and blind to all the other stuff had been going before covid hit.

>>304241
There are surprises you left for yourself still

I'm not going to say don't give up, but I will say have a tiny little bit of curiosity, maybe.

>>304248
look at this bitter wagie trying to rationalize his misery

>>304256

Are your days filled with uninterrupted bliss?

>>304277
I am bipolar (not I), I don't give a shit. I just watch the pattern of my mood repeat itself year after year and eat popcorn.

>>304288

>(not I)

So you're just a succubus then.

Being a murder victim could cause that disorder. Thanks for the info! Had issues with that for all of my life.

Fucking hate people who think they have the right to murder.
Fucking hate absurdity, always.

>>303912
oh, soma killa tried to whack me over a 35$ celly.

Good thing I had a knoife m8, they woulnt rob a elementary school boy, they would do some psycho stuff, good thing I had a knoife m8

>>303906
Oh and the road is equipped with a traffic light so had he whacked me, he would be responsible for a murder and not a manslaughter becaue he was driving at the red light and not an unregulated crossing

>>303053
>never had an autist-tier hobby to treat as own safe haven
Why autist with hobbies can have a own safe haven? I ignorant about autism, sorry.
I dont have hobbies bacause I poor and dont have money to do things, I just read or pirate things or try to learn something thanks to internet if i can.
>Also
The truth is, I'm not very successful socially, so I don't think I can do much about that.
Only an idiot who doesn't know how to use money would say that money doesn't bring happiness. That excuse about simple things and living simply for happiness is true, but it's also partly a lie. Money makes absolutely everything easier.
>"Adaptation disorder"
Sound like a term when they cant alienate you to a shit society of abnormal people fucked by hyper-socialization and other problems.

>>304208
>I dont have hobbies bacause I poor and dont have money to do things, I just read or pirate things or try to learn something thanks to internet if i can.

Digital hobbies are hobbies too

>The truth is, I'm not very successful socially, so I don't think I can do much about that.
Only an idiot who doesn't know how to use money would say that money doesn't bring happiness.

Oh I used to be such a person… Now I am kinda wiser with modey.


>"Adaptation disorder"
Sound like a term when they cant alienate you to a shit society of abnormal people fucked by hyper-socialization and other problems.

Or when they need to mark down your "not like them" is cause by outside stress - OUTSIDE e.g. not some inner split-o-phrenia

there's no magical solution. it really is just about sticking with something long enough to see results and let your brain automate some parts so it becomes effortless. i've surprised myself quite a few times by just sticking with something, enduring the initial suckage, ignoring the shitty results and at some point something *clicks* and it's a whole different experience.

just give yourself a goal of spending /at least/ a 100 hours in the activity before you give up. it gives you a simple metric to focus on i.e. time spent, and you only have to show up. if you fail to make progress (unlikely), you can say you gave it a serious shot and you can move on emotionally. if you succeed, then… yeah, congrats, you have a new source of enjoyment in your life.