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 No.303135[Reply]

The past really wasn't that bad for the people that survived.

Looking into it, famines basically just killed off people under 4, the elderly, and people aged 20-40 almost universally survived. Like even the potato famine has only 2% of the 20-40 year old cohort die, 1/50 is pretty good survival odds for your core productive and breeding population. That's like 1 person out of two classrooms, and it probably hit the really poor and lower classes. It looks bad with 18% of the population dying on paper, but considering people over 50 don't have kids and kids under 4-10 can be replaced instantly with a post war baby boom, it's demographically not that impactful. It's why Ethiopia's population doubled so rapidly after their famine, and India bounced back from the Bengal famine like it was nothing.

In World war 1, 16% of the French male population aged 18-45 died, making it significantly more demographically impactful than the Irish potato famine, because they were at the age where they were supposed to be having families and providing.

Famines weren't even people really starving to death that often. They mostly got killed off by an infection due to having a weakened immune system, or ate some risky food and got a disease that way. Famines seemed to displace people who then go into crowded cities, drink shitty water, and then get an infection. Famines seemed to hit once every 15 years or so, so typically you'd experience two really shit years in your adult life and then finally get dealt to in the third one as an old person. It more fucked up your family planning than anything else.

It seemed to have an economically positive effect for the actually healthy and productive part of the population in that it cleared away dependents. Immediately after the famine there'd be more available land per person and the available resources for a baby boom.
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 No.303152

>>303150
Life extension won't mean shit if people can't physically do work. Already a lot of the physical jobs involving repetitive strain, people can't do after the age of 50. Basically anyone at work in a non-managerial, non-cognitive role is functionally a liability after the age of 65. The way our cells work means you can't just have a magic drug that makes people healthy enough to work, aging and degradation is built into the human experience. If anything our raised life expectancy is exacerbating the issue and causing more dependents.

>You're underestimating how poor the current response is. Antinatalism is common.


This is like 10 times worse than the Irish potato famine demographically and people should care. Combined with the debt and pension crisis, this will absolutely collapse the global economy.

 No.303155

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if your thesis is that population decline is a bigger problem now than it was in history, just look at this chart. if the world lost 60% of the population it would just set us back to 1960.

 No.303158

>>303152
Yeah, I've meant something more like genetic modification to stop or massively slow down aging. Replacement organs for every old person would be another straw on the camel's back, since their aged brains keep them out of the workforce. I'm not keeping up with the life extension stuff, but I think youthful blood, which could be cultured has a rejuvenating effect.

The blasé mages ITT have nothing to say about the dependency ratio issue.

 No.303160

>>303150
>>303151
>Presumably the current human stock will be replaced by ultrareligious high fertility people

>or life extension gets figured out, thus solving the issue


>3rd option. AI taking over.


Option 3 1/2 - all at once.

 No.303568

>>303155
>>303155
>4 million


to low

too small

х DOUBT



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 No.300364[Reply]

I thought I was a hobby guy who like to spend time on his hobby alone but thats not true, all I care is to talk to people, thats why I come here everyday because I want to talk to someone. I am not an autist asperger with countless of niche hobby and a high IQ, I'm just a low temperture IQ monkey who thought he could fool himself and tricks his brain to think he is a genius but Im not. I wish I was made to do something but Im just a lazy parasyte, it sucks
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 No.302076

>>300637
Wizchan 2025
Damn this site is really getting old. Wizchan 2035 won't even be wizchan anymore.

 No.302077

>feels lonely
>starts thinking that maybe the hikkiNEET life is not for me and I'd be happier if I make friends and seek validation from others
>start imagining myself getting a job
>gets filled with so much primordial dread, feelings of loneliness and any other concerns get vaporized instantly
Sorry. Not normifying today either.

 No.302507

>>300364
try psych2go channel - they have videos on stuff like "touch starvation" and "wounded extrovert".


Because you dwell on introverts' den, but now you realize you was an extrover all along. Plz try.

 No.303550

>>300364
I should ask AI what hobbies are… /dep/-friendly

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 No.303370[Reply]

I think I understand something now.

A lot of people on /dep/ have quarter-life crisis and aren't actually 30+ wizards

Some here are 30+ wizards and are in midlife crisis.

So, let me say something. I have exited my quarter-life crisis. Now I think my midlife crisis will be milder than most people have since I have a job I enjoy in *ikigai* sense, not just enjoy the fact "it pays the bills".

 No.303394

The site has never been even close to majority 30+. If you actually hit 30, you've earned your stripes. I turn 29 in 3 days, and I haven't felt the itch to post regularly for years. People forget that the expected lifespan for a male virgin is probably not the same as it is for an average person.

 No.303411

They called it 'crisis' for a reason. Mine also hit at 30, but I was too broke to buy a Mustang or get hair plugs or whatever. I ended up diving back into hobbies from my 20's but found that stuff hollow and unfulfilling. I'm just glad I only wasted $500 on comic books and some car audio nonsense happened.

 No.303547

>>303411
Ah. Sure, I have a similar settis of keeping doing stuff. In fact, I keep "optimizing" my grandma's apartment to fit more small flat stuff like laptops or large amount of books (books are hoarded by my mom despite the fact she won't read them since she's too busy doing chores, lel)



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 No.302319[Reply]

Let's discuss strategies for getting rid of pessimistic thoughts. No negativity allowed in this thread.

I know this is a meme, but taking a shower can completely turn my mood around and make my worries go away, even if it's just for a couple of hours. Listening to uplifting and happy music is also very effective for me. Sometimes I have to force myself at first, but generally it changes my mood.

What are some things you wizs do to minimize depression?
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 No.303386

>>302319
Sleeping helps. Of course, it's major avoidance but my bed is pretty much the only place on this world where I don't feel any sort of negative emotion. Stress, anxiety, sadness, it all melts away once I am under the covers and have closed my eyes. I have even begun enjoying the feeling of drifting in and out of consciousness when I set short alarms for afternoon naps and keep snoozing, like surfing the tide of unreality. Dreams are also usually the only place I actually feel positive emotion and when I do it tends to linger and keep me going for some part of the day after.
I think this strategy only works if you've trained your brain to associate your bed only with sleeping though. I've never been someone who spends any waking time in bed to read or consume content or whatever, so my physiological reaction is pretty robust.

 No.303391

>>303386
>Sleeping helps. Of course, it's major avoidance but my bed is pretty much the only place on this world where I don't feel any sort of negative emotion. Stress, anxiety, sadness, it all melts away once I am under the covers and have closed my eyes.

JEALOUS!!!

I can't fall asleep until some specific conditions (not too hot, not too bright yet not too dark) are met due to being both too fat and too large

 No.303422

The only thing I've found works recently is escapism. I've been watching a lot of movies and playing games where I can really immerse myself in the story like good CRPGs or challenging games like romhacks. It's a delicate balance though because I suck at games so playing something too hard will just make me feel worse.

I used to have other hobbies that helped (different types of exercise) but I've grown to just hate them all. It's a negative feedback loop because now I'm fat and out of shape so thinking about doing those things again just makes me sad because I suck so much.

 No.303532

>>302319
not fapping

 No.303536

>>302319
I take noopept (Russian anti dementia nootropic) everyday for a month at a time.



 No.297753[Reply]

How do you guys fight anhedonia? Do you have any experience with it?
I basically don't feel pleasure from anything except food, maybe. Stories, games, art don't really touch me at all and it sucks because I remember how much I loved escapism before and how it brought excitement, joy, sadness etc. Now it's all blank. I want to bring emotions back, want to bring excitement, joy, even sweet sadness would do honestly, I miss being profoundly sad.

Have any of you managed to revert to your older non-anhedonic self?
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 No.301975

>>297753
I find that missing a night of sleep helps anhedonia. NO fucking clue why. and it doesn't keep working (missing two nights of sleep in a row doesn't continue it). Wouldn't recommend doing it a lot.

Some drugs help but they always stop working once you build tolerance and then they never work well again I find

Other than i don't know. setting goals doesn't help in fact I would recommend against forcing yourself to do stuff you don't find enjoyable. It's like how trying to force yourself to sleep actually makes insomnia worse. You just end up associating frustration with the activity you want to do.

Life with anhedonai feels pointless. No pleasure, no point? Like why do anything. I just end up doing nothing

 No.302012

>>297753
I have found out eating 5-htp sometimes + consuming tyrosine-rich foods (kasha, bananas) helps me.


Context: seronotin is made of 5-htp in body

dopamine is made of

 No.302015

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>>297753
Amphetamines and cold showers

 No.302030

>>302012
>>302012
>dopamine is made of
tyrosine


also, I asked PerPLX AI to rework my text in "Crowdon Londoner" style:
Bruv, you know there’s bare tyrosine in bananas and buckwheat, innit? And listen — buckwheat porridge, slap a bit o’ gravy on, that hits different. Proper jokes though, ‘cause it’s like the stuff don’t even wanna be porridge in the first place!

 No.303369

>>297753
I tried drinking fuckton of coffee ever since. Did NOT work properly. Allows me to function in some half-hearted/half-assed way (aka posting stuff on Wizardchan instead of doing my work… bak to werk methinks…)



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 No.301913[Reply]

I just wanna share my story.


Whatdver I did to exit the /dep/ zone (for now, at least) and the endless sadness, it all was… random


Getting a job that has no colleagues, and only one boss? Random "warehouse worker needed" entry in a random find-a-job type app

Fixing my sleep? Accidentally discovered here and there what clothing helps me to sleep/what temp is comfortable/how to treat my AC/there is "background noise for sleep" technique/accidentally discovered this "despression may be caused by ruined sleep, studies suggest" theory…


…and so on.


(example: pajamas with a blanked in the summer = bad, empty bedsheet, a t-shirt and undies - okay)
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 No.302350

>>301913
>pajamas with a blanked in the summer = bad
orly

 No.302772

>>302350
Context: my apartment has strong heat-insulated walls, which prevent the heat from dissipating quickly. Not everyone live in a home like that, hence the big problem

 No.303057

>>302772
It was 23 degrees Celsius in my room this morning, by the way

 No.303365

Update. Autumn weather + heated apartment = my sleep is good. Unfortunately, I need a proper nightstand lamp and I lack the determination to drill a wall.

 No.303366

>>301927
Also, in some other thread, an importance of good diet for mental well-being was mentioned.

To avoid "dissing" my mom's intentions, I should say she keep cooking *comfort food* - not bad, but it's shouldn't be your everyday food. Yet it was my everyday food.



 No.301426[Reply]

What do people call the belief that the more one suffers in this life the better his or her next one will be?
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 No.303350

>>303349
…oh, wait, "computer religion" is literally a bunch of people who went crazy after watching "The Matrix".

 No.303355

>>303350
I mean of all the stupid things normies have worshipped, a GPT who can write a new Bible for you personally that sounds like KJV, is probably the least stupid.

 No.303359

All religions are always so convenient for humans, proof that they are completely fake. A religion that preached that the afterlife is worst than life and you will go there no matter what would never gain traction even if it were true.

 No.303360

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>>301426
>>301428
>>301486
>Karma
The meaning of karma that I was taught is that karma ends when you decide not to do evil by harming or hurting others or taking revenge, thereby cutting off one of the causes of suffering.
Of course, that doesn't mean you can't respond violently or defend yourself, but if you do nothing, the suffering only gets worse. You can only mitigate or avoid it completely, which is why pain is inevitable but suffering is optional.
>But is egoistic
And no, it's not pure selfishness. I know that if I drink water, I'm being selfish, and in third world countries there is no water, but it's not something I can magically change. Nor can I abandon everything and let myself get sick helping others because then I wouldn't be able to help others. Think of it like when the emergency oxygen masks fall on an airplane: first yourself and then others, because if you're not okay, you won't be able to help others. People forget this, but Buddha spoke of the middle way because he opposed the ascetic extremism and extremes of his time of Sramana practices.
>But nonviolence make you a cope pacifis…
And no, it's not about nonviolence. Do you think there were warrior monks in China and Japan who had no problem with violence and going to war? The same thing happens with activists and charities that start out Buddhist.
>Also
So no, I don't see karma as the law of the boomerang or the three fingers pointing others and two fingers you or an eye for an eye like new agers or wiccans. These are not Chinese social points that will affect your other life, if it exists, but they are likely to affect your only present life because those who live restlessly, with hatred, resentment, fear, shame, evil, and violence tend to get sick, make others sick, and die violently. So I choose to find, make and have peace bacause that turn me free of some causes of suffering. And in this way, I also relieve some of the suffering of others.

 No.303363

>>303359
>A religion that preached that the afterlife is worst than life and you will go there no matter what

Actually, your statement can be "upgraded" with an idea of ASCENSION - say, an ASCENDED person would enjoy … *such a place*, while an unascended person would NOT.

Come think of it, the idea of nirvana is ridiculously close to that



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 No.300441[Reply]

The inability to anticipate pleasure but the ability to anticipate effort, hardship leave me in a state of stagnation.

I'm totally normal except that I never felt like going on a trip overseas. Never felt like going to a concert. Never felt like making friends. Never enjoyed talking to others. Never enjoyed cooking meals. I pretty much never enjoyed anything.
My dick barely feels any pleasure too.

You can be born smart and everything but if the pleasure center is all fucked up, you are doomed to spend a life of stagnation. There is no motivation to achieve anything. Time passes away. Years pass by and nothing goes on. No matter how many gifts nature endows you with, if you have a deficiency in the drive/pleasure center, you are doomed to a life of mediocrity.

A life of mediocrity.
Something I know much about at 43 years of age.
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 No.302773

>>300441
>You can be born smart and everything but if the pleasure center is all fucked up, you are doomed to spend a life of stagnation. There is no motivation to achieve anything.


come to think of it, this is EXACTLY what quackery fans achieve by eating Kellog's

 No.302777

>>300501
>I don't want to praise this stuff but I never understood why people online say this. You only take these kind of drugs when you are already anhedonic, depressed, dysphoric, numbed, apathetic, emotionally dead, a zombie. In that case they can help. When you are not like, and you feel emotions and drive, they might make you anhedonic, but then you wouldn't take them anyways. So this argument makes no sense to me. The worst that can happen is that they don't change shit.
They can work but sometimes they're prescribed to the wrong people.

 No.303272

>>302777
Or, what's worse, a doctor may put a wizard off SSRIs because of this "sexual disfunction side effect" worry.

 No.303291

>>303272
it's no worry. It's very real. Look up PSSD and see how many people ssris destroyed, they killed my dick and they'll kill yours. Never ever take meds, you can feel better without them, it just takes time. never ever take kike meds.

 No.303346

>>303291
>wizard
>it's no worry. It's very real. Look up PSSD and see how many people ssris destroyed, they killed my dick and they'll kill yours.

I don't get it! I don't need an erection by anyway since I am a wizard, isn't that so by default? I don't watch xxx videos though…



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 No.302617[Reply]

Given the existence of the hedonic treadmill, why does happiness matter? Why is the pursuit of happiness at all important? If you're just going to level out to baseline anyways, you might as well just sit and rot, since that requires far fewer resources.
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 No.302767

>>302617
>If you're just going to level out to baseline anyways
This hasn't happened in my case. My baseline happiness level has clearly changed over time and hasn't just been a constant level throughout my entire life as you claim. I had severe depression for years that gradually lessened over time. Your concept of "pursuit of pleasure" that flattens out over time sounds like it's just collecting materialistic crap and consuming media.

 No.302768

>>302617
>Given the existence of the hedonic treadmill, why does happiness matter? Why is the pursuit of happiness at all important? If you're just going to level out to baseline anyways, you might as well just sit and rot, since that requires far fewer resources.
You buy this and you'll be happy, you do that (for me) and you'll be happy. It doesn't exist.

I meditate to try to slow the hedonic treadmill and try to enjoy just being.

 No.303267

>>302766
>
Chasing happiness matters because it affirms the self. If you are sad and someone tells you to cheer up and smile, it's not because they're a hedonistic hylic attempting to trap you in this realm. It's because they want you to actualize even the slightest amount of external energy such that it may affect your mood and ideally make someone else happy as well.

Nah, my paternal grandma was all like "i get it, YOU LOVE SUFFERING"


good think she died of cancer, not a sudden "urGH!" heart failure.

 No.303269

>>303267
also, my English is "utter shite" shit. I misspelled "good thing" as "good think", ugh.

 No.303353

>>303269
very common mistake, not an issue since the intended meaning is very clear



 No.303237[Reply]

during the last months i moved to another city nearby to continue what the productive ppl call a university study . since my city does not have a uni so i was forced to rent with 5 friends of my brother , i really didnnt bother looking for rent so i let the job for more social individuals like him lol , i kind of adapted living here since no one bothers me like my fucking fam used to do fucking hate them , a couple weeks ago a protesting starts to happen because the lack of hospitals and low educational system , i stayed home and watch and i hope everything to fall apart and at least get better things like uhh more chips and comics discounts . or better…. to die


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