/dep/ - Depression

>>293720
>loneliness = depression
For most, but not all.

>>293720
Loneliness is a feeling based on rejection, whether imaginary or real. It has nothing to do with the isolation itself. Loneliness can lead to isolation, but isolation does not lead to loneliness, they are different things even if they seem the same.
That is why it is not right to assume that isolation is.

This video explains it better

>>293724
Even if rejection leads to loneliness, and even if some isolated people don't always feel lonely, you're completely oversimplifying the topic just because you watched a
>kurzgegatz
video. Watching a youtube video doesn't make you an expert on the topic, especially considering the videos by them often have incentives and messages they want to spread, and they do heavy scientific vulgarisation, which is not always accurate or complete.

>It has nothing to do with the isolation itself
Inaccurate, a lot of studies indicate that isolation, both physical and social, is a significant predictor of loneliness. And for once I will link them even if I know very well that you're not going to look for them.
<Hawkley, L. C., & Cacioppo, J. T. (2010). "Loneliness matters: A theoretical and empirical review of consequences and mechanisms." Annals of Behavioral Medicine, 40(2), 218-227.
<Cacioppo, J. T., & Hawkley, L. C. (2003). "Social isolation and health, with an emphasis on underlying mechanisms." Perspectives in Biology and Medicine, 46(3), S39-S52.
<Perlman, D., & Peplau, L. A. (1981). "Toward a social psychology of loneliness." Personal Relationships, 3, 31-56.
<Cornwell, E. Y., & Waite, L. J. (2009). "Social disconnectedness, perceived isolation, and health among older adults." Journal of Health and Social Behavior, 50(1), 31-48.
<Victor, C. R., Scambler, S. J., Bowling, A., & Bond, J. (2000). "Being alone in later life: Loneliness, social isolation, and living alone." Reviews in Clinical Gerontology, 10(4), 407-417.
<Holt-Lunstad, J., Smith, T. B., Baker, M., Harris, T., & Stephenson, D. (2015). "Loneliness and social isolation as risk factors for mortality: A meta-analytic review." Perspectives on Psychological Science, 10(2), 227-237.
<Qualter, P., Vanhalst, J., Harris, R., Van Roekel, E., Lodder, G., Bangee, M., Maes, M., & Verhagen, M. (2015). "Loneliness across the life span." Perspectives on Psychological Science, 10(2), 250-264.
Those studies touch specifically on the fact that isolation does cause for the major part statistically of loneliness. Sure, you can feel lonely even in a crowd, but here one does not equal the opposite, i'm just talking about isolation = high chances of loneliness.
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>>293724
Sounds like hippie fee-fee bullcrap
>>293726
Sounds like poindexter bookworm jargon

If you're by yourself and you aint sad about that fact in particular, then you're not lonely.

>>293726
You can publish whatever studies you want, but this is my thread telling my experiences. And my experiences indicate that being socially isolated doesn't make me feel alone, it makes me socially isolated. So it may be true that most lonely people end up isolated, but I'm not the majority, and my subjective experiences don't fit that.

>And so on. If you somehow still dismiss empirical evidence
I don't need more experiences than mine. You can't come on a thread and treat me like I'm a lonely suicidal depressive.

Why is there so much bullying in the West?

I quit in middle school

You don't have to tolerate it. In the adult world that's called assault and you can go to prison for years for it.

Do you think adults can throw rocks on other adults and kick them without consequences?
Make a police report.

If you're a Yankee, and you're old enough, you can get a shotgun, you can saw it off, and if someone hits you or throws rocks, you can shoot them in the head.

Seriously, you can't let a group start beating you out of nowhere, you could end up dead or paralyzed. Call the police, get a stun gun, pepper spray, or whatever. This is no joke, you can end up dead at their hands.

heeeeeeeyy What's up :D I'm the one in the post, I have nothing to highlight, I already applied the complaint with videos and audios of the subject, even though I'm still alone, they don't bother me anymore, so one less problem ruled out, I'm having downturns because I'm almost I don't even talk to my family so I resort to pure therapy, although we are still mentally screwed, I can assure you that I have no plans to commit suicide. greetings -wky :b

>>293585
can you tell me more? I'm interested in the subject you're talking about

>>293583
And how do you know all that? This is a dead niche forum. How the hell do you recognize someone from here?

>>293583
How is he a crab (in forced celibacy) if he has sex all the time with succubi?

>>293587
I know these shitheads when I see them.

>>293587
Plus he meets certain conditions from his Normitter account; act thuggishly, had some issues with coding exercices (programming career), born in 2002.

>>293551
Yeah but /music/ is not depression

>>293552
What counts as depressions is subjective. What counts as music is objective. So this thread is more /music/ than it is /dep/

>>293553
Good equivocation fallacy here. Past that it doesn't change the fact that /music/ is not about depression, otherwise it would be stated as such, and this thread is SPECIFICALLY about music about/related to depression. Your statement doesn't stand, even with a logical fallacy. Saying X is subjective and Y objective is also subjective to begin with. Isn't that fun now.

>>293550
Definitely. It seems japanese music creators have a knack when it comes to depressive music, maybe out of personal experience idk.

Moved to >>>/music/10344.

>Most parents in the west who aren't complete junkies or obese hillbillies
Or they treat them with immense pressure to succeed and don't let them grow as a person. Or they're ignored because the parents don't have time for them and just give them gifts as compensation. Or they wish they didn't have them and radiate loathing and hatred towards them. Life in the west has its own problems, problems that aren't as evident compared to countries where the average IQ is in the double digits.
>>293379
That may be true but what's also true is that third-world countries are populated by inferior and primal peoples who have no regard for saving or investing in themselves or children for the future. The middle classes in South America are simply people who were smart enough to save their money and develop good work ethic, it doesn't take much effort to maintain a country regardless of how low the IQ is, if manual labor is possible and they can afford grain and beer then everything will run as its supposed to.

>>293484
It's a first-world problem, you wouldn't understand.

>Nobody cares whether the kid is happy or not, or whether they receive a high quality upbringing or not
this is the same in 1st world. most people just put there kids in front of the TV/computer and do not give a fuck. most people in the 1st world is ok with indoctonation from school and LGBTQ+ shit from school

the 1st world and 3rd world is the same, there is just no "animalistic" thing. instead it is a open mental asylum. the more crazy you are, the more socipathic you are, the more you succed. the "western world" is roten to the core. do not know about how it is in other 1st world countrys that are not westner world

>>293447
Ah yes third world family values. Namaste from India.

>>293223
so Are you a neet?

>>293224
Pretty much. I am in the end semester of my retarded college and no company has hired me by now. Most of the people are already hired and the campus placements (jobs) drive is already over. All I do is keep sending applications here and there on LinkedIn and keep on making projects and sending them, sometimes through email and heard no calls back. I will remove my profile picture and try again in July. Maybe my subhumanity repels the IT poojeets in India.

>>293226
go live in my two favorite indian cities: Pondichéry or Chennai

>>293229
Puducherry is way too degenerate not long ago some pajeet here posted a vid showing degeneracy of Goa. Puducherry is a bit like that, unabashed sexual culture, succubi in short dresses or no dresses, drugs, and alcohol. Too much suifuel.

Chennai is a bit nicer in this regard, but then again the Tamils don't like Northies like me, let alone someone from Himachal Pradesh. And Chennai is extremely hot all year, at least where I live we get to see snowfall close by. I will relocate soon enough but both of these cities are Tier 1 so high cost of living. And language barrier in Tamil Nadu Chennai.

damn it each time someone says something racist to me my heart breaks. I don't know how to respond to racists to make them piss off

>>292720
Being bullied on a daily or weekly basis since childhood into your adulthood simply for being particularly ugly isn't hell?

Then what is?

>>292742
its suffering and i symphasize with you but its not hell , maybe metaphorical hell but not literal hell
and you dont want to try literal hell to know , believe me.

>>293370
Childhood bullying is very close to hell I would argue. You are being exposed to intense social pain, physical pain, and social humiliation. You also have no narrative of why this is happening, you haven’t developed mental strength or concepts to protect your psyche, you are also in environments where you are alone and the world doesn’t help you.
It’s a combination of overwhelming suffering and cognitive suffering, kids being bullied is a level of unmanageable suffering. I was never heavily bullied but I regret not helping the people I saw who were.

>>292741
This. Imagine thinking that a mortal locked in a 5-sense reality cage for maximum 100 years will be able to comprehend the totality of divine justice.

>>292717
I'm sorry wizbro…
>>292741
So Wizards deserve to be undesirable outcasts?

They put ugliest freckles, armpit hair succubi into YouTube and TV ads. And they lie how everybody is perfect. I know the ideology behind it yet the near-vomit feel is here. Now I know the beginning of that audio in my memory, so I look elsewhere or close my eyes. It's a huge crime and I'm against doing it irl, but the more I see that shit about armpits on the TV, the more I feel the urge to go on the massacre to the company office or whatever. Being weak against evil is like that. *Not a call to arms

i love the fact that there really are other people who are disgusted of humanity and humans , aside from me
and i think i like may love these people because they may lack that particular exact thing that disgusts me in humanity

test

>>293346
Nothing you wrote makes any sense. People help others because they expect help from others in return. Any feel good emotions resulting from it are just evolutionary mechanisms to reinforce it. They don't necessarily expect help from the exact people they helped, but they do expect those people to contribute to society, which will help them in turn. No one helps people who feel the best when they are alone for this very reason.

>>293341
You are just trying to divert the thread, with issues that have nothing to do with it, applying fallacious and irrelevant arguments.

The thread is about selfishness, and the relationship with depression, and how helping others is an excellent way to treat it. Not about the Bible, virgin succubi, or misogyny.

>>293347
Kindness towards strangers does not lie in the material things they can give them, but in the satisfaction that occurs when helping someone else.

This is bullshit. Normalfags end up not helping you if you are sad or look depressed, they will instead use it as opportunity for schadenfreude. If you look angry/sad they will just confront you and try to embarrass you publicly by talking down on you like a retard. Then they will justify it like "you are ruining the mood with your sour face, if i could have no reprecussions i would beat the shit out of you".

Another thing is if you help normalfags and expect nothing in return they will just abuse your good will and think you are an idiot."Oh this guy is so good and all I will ask him for more than necessary because he can't say no".

Normalfags are the selfish ones. It is in their best interest to stay selfish like a wolf pack and treat anyone who isn't normal like an outsider. They don't give a shit if you help them and their opinions on you don't change, maybe it'll even become worse since they already see you as an enemy and if you just helped them theyll only think it's because they are smart enough to trick you into helping through their own efforts. That's the normalfag mind for you.

Call me crazy, but maybe there is a middle ground between self-sacrificing altruism and psychopathy.

I think I would call it "being morally well-adjusted."

>>293315
What is your diet like? There all of kinds of foods that can greatly increase pain sensitivity or outright bring on painful ailments.

>>293323
Whatever my parents decide to cook. Its quite diverse.
Cant change my diet since I m not the one who cooks, and I m too lazy to cook.

>>293304
I think nothing is stopping you from killing yourself, your life is the only thing you truly have. If we look at your life in third person as if we were god judging our own life we could also cut it short when we want. Close the book and move onto the next life in line waiting to experience another person's body and environment, another person's life.

>>293315
Just because pain is created by the mind does not mean that it does not have repercussions on the rest of the body.

>I was prescribed muscle relaxants because I cant feel extremely sad without feeling totally sore in my left arm/chest/neck/jaw
As a small recommendation, you could bathe with very hot water, or cold water if you are in summer, that will help reduce muscle pain considerably.

>Some nights I stay awake till 5 and wake up at 9 or 10. My eyes feel sore, I have headaches and nausea from not being able to sleep.
It could be because of stress, anxiety, and similar shit. For a week I felt like this, and I couldn't sleep for 48 hours straight, and the time I slept was very short. What helped me were valerian drops, hot water baths, and masturbation (not excessively of course). Combining all of that I was able to sleep like a baby.

>>293328
>valerian drops, hot water baths, and masturbation
This whole nature shit is not for me. Its good if it helps you, but personally I feel like its more about you thinking it helps you, rather than the chemical composition of the herb itself. It may help, but its strength is nothing compared to a drug that was manufactured specifically to counteract insomnia (I m looking at you Ambien). And even then, sometimes Ambien is completely useless and all I feel is weird and lightheaded, but not sleepy.

As for taking a bath, if it wasnt because I got long hair and is kinda hard to avoid "not getting it wet", I really dont like taking showers, because then I spend half or up to an hour drying the damn thing. What I do though is putting one of these hot water bottles against my chest and surrounding areas to get rid of the pain. Takes time, but its helpful.

On the other side, Idk if its just me, but when I masturbate at night, I feel more active and less prone to falling asleep, so I try to avoid it.

Yesterday at night was one of those nights, sore muscles and whatso, so I took a pill and also helped me to sleep (one thing I dont like is that I start to feel sleepy BEFORE the pain is even gone lol).