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 No.310062[Reply]

anyone here into studying carl jung by any chance? there is a lot i find fascinating about him but what impressed me the most is that he condensed his mental health strategy into a single word: integtation. implied in this is that each person has unconscious parts and by making those unconscious parts conscious, they no longer sabotage.

to me this is amazing and ballsey. i image most other mental health practitioners would not give you a one word answer to the question of how to have a healthy mind. i image they'd say that this is impossible to answer and that it depends and that an expert is needed.
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 No.310065

Just like wizards above, I never got the "integration" thing

 No.310066

Just like wizards above, I never got the "integration" thing

 No.310067

Yes I've gotten very into him in the past couple years. Active imagination has been the most useful psychological thing I've done.

>>310064
There is no general rule because it depends on individuals. Things like ethnicity, culture, familial background impacts the specifics. As an actual technique the most effective one is active imagination.

The essential thing is just having those situations where you can encounter the unconscious content so you can actually engage with it and come into proper relation with it. Historically this would have been through things like local folk practices and religious rituals, and cultural practices generally. Jung's idea is that the human psyche has things which express those ethnic/religious ideas (archetypes) and that because we are alienated from the traditional means there isn't actually a great vehicle for doing it. He attempts to provide a way for people to do it on their own stuff like:
>Oh well she's trying to find herself and integrate her shadow of course! If the said husband is hurt by this then well, he's got an unexplored and neglected anima!
Largely comes from people trying to simplify it or make it accessible, ultimately you are the only one who can ensure your relation to those complexes is harmonious. There are many ways it can go wrong, inflation because you identify with the unconcious or collective conciousness. Possession by the archetype and having your ego sort of shadowed over by it. Projecting it onto things around you (the most obvious thing for this is succubi liking abusive/domineering men because that's a vehicle for animus projection, and men liking attention whore succubi because they are a vehicle for anima projection)
The opposite is also the case, the butch dyke identifying with her animus, or the fag/tranny identifying with their anima.

The whole idea is these things are at work in us anyway and by getting a clearer relationship with it rather then it just harvesting your energy you can have a proper relationship with it and see how it effects you.

A very simple practical thing can kind of be seen through the popularization of jung through the psychological type stuff. Your inferior function in mbti (or just the opposite of your dominant function in more standard jungian stuff ie if you are the introverted thinkinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.310076

>>310064

>I mean, conceptually it seems logical, but like all if this psychology shit, it falls apart in practice.

you could have taken responsibility and said "i don't know how" but instead you have chosen to make it a theater production and the more unconscious you are, the more you feel the urge to frame reality in terms that would imply that you can not be at fault for it. that immediately jumped at me. even on a somewhat anonymous website you don't feel comfortable being vulnerable. the voice in your head that said "wait no, lets write it in a way where it doesn't sound like i did something wrong!" i believe to be your unconscious.

>How do you "integrate" your subconscious, your shadow, become an "individual"? Jung never really made that super clear, it all vague wishy washy shit that can map unto anything.

-_- well it's a process that takes time, effort and present-mindedness. you keep learning about it, fiding out new details, wondering how it could make sense. you try to find out what the part that takes control of you is trying to tell you. you are asking for a pill, for a code that you just have to execute, you are asking for someone to do the thinking for you instead of walking as far and as fast as your own thoughts can carry you.

there is something inside you, heavily suppressed by education, normality, culture, fear and all kinds of other social mechanisms of violence and you are trying to find out what it tries to tell you. one way the the subconscious tries to communicate with you is through dreams so one part of it is to make a dream journal. i use a simple open source notepad app on the phone were i just have to write the end of the filename and hit a button and it is saved in a folder of my choice.

>Why is the succubus cheating on her husband? Oh well she's trying to find herself and integrate her shadow of course! If the said husband is hurt by this then well, he's got an unexplored and neglected anima!

anything can be made to sound stupid.

>Give me an explicit, unambiguous algorithm for "integration" that we can empirically test and even try out on ourselves and then we can talk. Until then it's just fairy dust bullshit.

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>>310067
>Yes I've gotten very into him in the past couple years. Active imagination has been the most useful psychological thing I've done.

i'm reading Memories, Dreams, Reflections and i am almost at the point where he talks about it for the first time, looking forward to it, the book has been amazing so far. i'm still at the part where he talks about how freud was worried about losing respect. freud the fraud.


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 No.308999[Reply]

Are there people here who don't have a job or don't get NEETbux and have to live with parents who are abusive and stupid as fuck but you just can't beat the crap out of them because you're dependent upon them?
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 No.309273

>>309271
Why not just live on public land? If you have bux you can buy a car and solar panels and tents and stuff. I would need about 1k per month to sustain that lifestyle, but only because I spend $400 a month on weed. Most of the costs are start up costs.

 No.309344

It is not O.K. that I have to live here with him. He is not too gay or demanding but he is dumb and takes his sons wizardry never and his food is barebones and we both almost starve. Sometimes we steal beef t-flank steak but I am hungry a lot. Beer recently got phased out as a basic at 30 3/4years. I make him mad and ornery and he makes me sick and hungry. I recently took a motorcycle from him and he is gay about how it gets used lol. I am broke always him almost never. Trying to get beer has done me in today yet he sits up there drunk and asleep like a weightwatchers yogi. How frazzling and inane can it get? Bear

 No.309454

>>309000
it's a week before pension payment and the ma only has enough for the credit payment on her account that goes at the end of the month. she figured out that if you don't have enough, they just take it as soon as she has money on her account with seemingly no fees as punishment, so she went and withdrew some of the money today to buy snacks and fruit (instead of just eating the food with have in two fridges and freezer). she also talked to the lady at the bank about another loan, a refinancing one where she pays off everything she owes and then just has a smaller flat rate… oh and she's renovating the windows and buying new carpets.

i spent like an hour arguing with her but there's no point. some people are just really terrible with money and don't have a frugal bone in their body. why can't she just live within her means? of course, the more in debt we are, the more she pressures me to go work. we were pretty much poor my entire childhood because of my dad's retarded decisions, now we're poor because of hers.

 No.310029

>>309454
Probably not possible for you with severe social anxiety and if she will make good on threats…but I figured out too late I should have just started bossing my mom around.
Idk maybe look into some psychology material on how to manipulate and assert dominance.

 No.310044

>>309454
>the more in debt we are, the more she pressures me to go work.

This is literally how the owning class enslaves the working class. They use ads to make people crave material possessions then tell them they can have those things on credit and convince people it will all work out, then people with poor impulse control and long term planning end up deep in a hole ending up having to work like dogs just to keep what they have from being taken away from them. Honestly how dare she involve you in her bad life decisions. I'd dip and leave her to deal with her own problems. Can't be indulging in normalfaggotry and wage slavery on someone else's behalf.


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 No.308391[Reply]

we must accept it. we are losers and society mocks us no matter what we do. we're not cool. we think we're cool because we are in a website where only virgin males are in and we circle jerk together. That's why we think we're superior to normalfags while in fact we're seen has failed people. you may feel as much superior as you like on wizchan but once out of the internet, you'll be mocked for being 30+ virgin male behind your back.
It sucks; being mocked and being. alower human being. even non-white are more successful than you and being racist doesn't change that. I think racism is a kind of cope people are because they're frustrated.
You can be as much succesful as you can be (rich, good job, house, beautiful car,etc…) like every other normalfags but at the end of the day when they'll ask you if you have a wife or a gf, and after you said never, they'll think something's wrong with you or you're gay.
Some wizards donnt give a fuck because they feel above all of that but those are, according too me, a übermensch bit it is a very rare case. so don't think you're one to please you're ego. I think the wizard übermensch has everything a normalfag has in life but is morally superior to them. those who uses this power to trashtalk others isn't a übermensch according to me because he does the same shit normalfags do to others to feel better. There's a lot of wizards who mock normalfags to feel better but at the end of the day it makes them look like as bad as normalfags. the übermensch is a rare case and I am 100% sure there's no übermensch wizard on here (or maybe 0,1%).
Anyway, I'm not making a thread about the wizardmensch because it would fit most on /wiz/ than /dep/. I'm making this thread on /dep/ because I'm sad and depressed being a failure. even failednormalfags mock us.
We're ugly and dumb. feel free to delete the thread mods, I don't care I'm sad. I don't want to push my narratives unto others. I know many wouldn't agree because they live a good life and don't care about what other people think or say about him, but I know most of the wizards suffer and that's why there's a /dep/ board…if it wasn't the case, tbis board wouldn't exist. wizards are sad. in fact I don't know why they're sad because they just have to live life luke anybody else; it's just they don't have a wife and kids but live life like everyone else on this earth. so why wizards aren't happy? Most if the time is life struggle like money or shitty job.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.308553

>>308536
yes, I'm jealous as my country has just stopped long term unemployment benefits, it is very limited now, it's finding a job or ending up homeless now
Imagine living in some Scandinavian country just collecting and being able to take walks in nature and stuff

 No.310018

>>308391
I agree and disagree, like >>308393 said this stuff is nuanced. Wizchan is the only place, including IRL and the internet, where I feel like I'm home and surrounded by my peers. Yes, we are failed edges of society, but the way that we handle that fate and reason about life and it all is done with care and with self-worth. It's not meaningless, it's meaningful. For what it's worth, I stand proud for wizchan, I think we are cool and I think we are the new punk. There's a thousand places for male virgins, but only a single place like wizchan.

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>>308391
I've never been mocked after leaving school. The older you get the more the world will ignore you because the less people you interact with aside from places where politeness and being cordial is soft-enforced.
Adults have things going on in their lives too, the older, the more things the less time and energy to bother even giving you a second glance.

I'm 31 now and it's not the interactions you get that hurt, but the lack of contacts, safety nets, opportunities or the lack of help in general.
There is much to be depressed about, but high school level nonsense like this isn't one of them in my eyes.

Again what you describe is exactly the "failed normie" stereotype. Crabs that lash out against each other and whoever else to feel better.
Wizards are like pic related for the most part. The older you get, the closer to this you should be.
I'm untouchable to normies and crabs alike, because I'm not insecure or bothered by what I am or the lack of succubi around my wand.
Meanwhile a crab is hurt because deep down they are miserable that they can't get any.

Why would you be bothered when people try to insult you with what amounts to accurate descriptions of your life? Nobody will call you gay IRL unless it's a slight jab, why are you offended, are you a closet homo?
Why are you sad if people say you can't get any succubi? Do you want any?
I don't get it.

Leave high school, leave college, your problems as described solve themselves.
Focus on health and money, as you accurately observed, those will hurt you in the long run.
You can afford being called a faggot by 9999 random NPCs, but unless you have a safety net you are probably 2 bad days away from homelessness.

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 No.310025

>>310022
yeah…you're maybe right. I'm over thinking things

 No.310028

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Born with a curse, a cosmic joke played on us


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 No.305084[Reply]

>even the extrovert normalfags with an excellent social and sexual life are on multiple drugs and getting therapy
I'm absolutely done for, dude. Even my life improves, I'll still just be a monkey to the rest of them. Fuck.
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 No.309727

>>305279
>Looks like the Elite will finally have humans domesticated like cattle soon
I don't think so, they are buying into dumb scams like AI and identity politics. They can barely control and maintain the government, healthcare and educational systems themselves which they use to exercise power.

 No.309992

>>305084
covid buck broke large swaths of normies. my life didn't change at all. ive been completely isolated and alone since approx 2016.

ever since covid, it seems the powers that be just want things to get shittier and shittier. flock cameras, data centers, inflation, succubi killing their whole families.

its all contrived. i just stay away from people and stay on the periphery

 No.309993

The level of plutocrat apologia going on in this thread is pathetic. Very likely chatgpt gemerated as well. Sad!

 No.309997

>>309992
lol wasn't there a succubi in the UK who killed herself after like 4 days of lockdowns?? It has to be a mental illness to require such a constant amount of socializing

 No.310007

>>309997
yep. hypernormie faggots go insane in isolation.

Everyone in my city complains about how unsociable people are and i fucking love it. i don't want to be bothered at all


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 No.309747[Reply]

Sometimes I wish went to the mental hospital. Maybe things would’ve turned out differently. Maybe.
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 No.309923

>>309913
Yeah you're right. I get it, it's scary. Hell, I'd even say it's terrifying. But hey, look, if we do end up making an argument such as that one, wouldn't it also mean that regular doctors that treat diseases of your body aren't to be trusted either? Like, if you claim that modern psychiatry or psychotherapy is detrimental because just 80 years ago they would lobotomize people which is practically torture, doesn't that also mean you shouldn't trust regular doctors because there was a time when doctors would use bloodletting or mercury or radium to treat diseases? And again, don't take this the wrong way, I do realize what you're saying is practically true, but I need to know who out there can help you if you're depressed or have serious emotional pain in your life if this industry is not to be trusted. Are you then simply supposed to heal by finding like-minded people that get you and enjoy spending time with you or is the answer different

 No.309924

>>309912
how come you weren't able to refuse that treatment? how severe was your "outburst"?

 No.309978

>>309792
>I came to the conclusion that the main flaw of the mental health system is its tendency to suck you in

anyone who doubts this is possible: watch the interview tucker carlsson did with the 'professional patient', author Laura Delano:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PdWKkyooCk

 No.309995

The only benefit is how it makes it easier to get neetbux. Every other aspect is a nightmare

 No.309996

but maybe you can talk to a psychotherapist and he'll give you decent life advice or explain what exactly it is you're experiencing and going through and help you deal with it. especially if he's older than you or generally professional


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 No.308343[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

The Time God does not forget nor forgive edition. You will do this again.

Previous: >>307210
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 No.309804

>>309802
idk i don't like liver and my explanation of why it's bad aligns with my taste perfectly, smh
>proof
plz read biology or sth

 No.309817

i'm thinking about all those graduates i've seen when i was in college, and what i remember is that all of the basically suffered. maybe it's just that i only paid attention to them, but it's almost like not suffering before you turn 30 is physiologically impossible. you just suffer by definition, without reason. angst? anxiety? fear? burn out? i don't care. all i care about is that's it's utterly unbearable. i don't know what to do.

 No.309819

I have some doxxers living rent free in my head. How do I kick them out without payback? Not because I don't want to but because I can't reach to them.

 No.309843

>>309746
Glass of water and a muesli bar.

 No.309845

I've felt suicidal since 14 years old high school was so miserable and dark for me, I had social anxiety and hid in the bathroom I never made eye contact with anyone I always looked at the floor. I believed that I would kill myself before high school ended but I had no method and just thinking of suicide made me scared. Now I'm 25 I never attempted suicide I don't even own anything to do it with. I worked a menial soul crushing job for a while I felt getting a job and being a adult might be what I need but I detested working and went back to neeting. I feel hopeless I never want to work, my brain is foggy, I'm tired all the time. I have anhedonia, I feel like I'm in a dream, I'm not scared to kill myself anymore just too lazy too comfortable rooting away. I feel guilty that I'm just a burden to my mother and that I will hurt her when I kill myself. Depression use to have a comfortable melancholic feeling for me, I loved listening to music which reflected my mental state. That comforting feeling does not exist anymore, I always feel restless every dream I have is a nightmare, I know it can't go on like this, as much as hate myself I really don't deserve to live like this I enjoy nothing every day I just surf the web trying to make the hours pass, I don't play games anymore my attention span is too short. my mother does not deserve to have a leeching son. I wish I lived in America so I could just shoot myself that seems so easy. I wish for a heart attack or something


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 No.309084[Reply]

Anyone experienced getting fired from almost all jobs they ever had? I’ve failed at almost everything I ever had and got insulted before. Has anyone expirienced something similar
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 No.309660

>>309658
>I don't know how to do shit, man
…They train you on the job.

 No.309661

>>309660
that said, now I need to get over my fear of going out and look for a job.

 No.309667

>>309661
>I need to get over my fear of going out

There's nothing to fear. The only result of failure is being temporarily put back in to the state that you're currently in. Nothing bad can result from trying and failing.

 No.309698

>>309659
Mostly math, like topology. Philosophy would be interesting too. I want to learn German but I have no idea where to start.

 No.309705

>>309084
Are you sure that's low-IQ? That can also happen if you have problems focusing like ADD. Some people really just hate and aren't built for work, which is a normal thing to hate, doesn't mean you're stupid.


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 No.309319[Reply]

I wasted 12 years of my life being stuck in shitty apartment with my in a third world country
This includes all of my teen hood as well as a bit of my adulthood
After realizing this, I got depressed. I just wish I could have done more things that were more important to me, such as starting out drawing earlier and moving out of that shitty apartment. It just hurt how much time I wasted being terminally ill online while being stuck in hell.
I am not sure how to get over this. I have time. I am 23, but still knowing that my life could have been better in the 2010s and the early 2020s hurts me deeply. I wish I was smarter. I wish my mom was not a lazy whore who constantly smokes and eats, and she sold that fucking apartment earlier so we could find somewhere better for life.
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 No.309502

>>309319
I hate to be an optimist, but im 35 and i can tell you, at 23, you do still have time. you've got about 7 years. you just have to get on the first rung of the ladder and climb whatever path you decide to set out on. after about 30, you simply will not be willing to do anything. I've accepted who i am and the fate which that entails. its gonna be a life of mediocrity, regret, and sullenness. I could've done alot more but I tucked my tail and consoled myself in isolation and self pity around 25. I could've stepped up and faced adversity but i didn't.

 No.309617

>>309476
was born in 2002 as well
honestly at this point i really dont know
>>309502
i have still time but i am afraid it not enough for me and my goals like the time is getting fast and there is no time for me to relax and just have fun and not care about the future like i used too

 No.309618

>>309476
I don't think "late bloomers" exist. At least not in large enough numbers to be relevant
Adults don't change that much. They just snowball whatever they learned in their formative years, whether that was good or bad or like many here simply nothing much at all.

 No.309687

>>309502
What can I do if I am lacking energy and willpower to make something of myself in my twenties?
I really want to make something of myself and be able to look back and feel proud, but I always nurn out quickly and usually feel nothing.

 No.309690

>>309687
deconstruct your self image, detach from you circumstance, and find a way forward. the more you look toward the ends, the more you a lost in the trackless maze. it is a direction that you should seek, not a destination. meditate, overcome, master.


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 No.305228[Reply]

I think age 31-32 was the point where I realized I'm too autistic and weird to ever have 'normal' things in life.

I will die either institutionalized or in some shitty rental with nothing to my name. Nothing that I dreamed about will ever become true.
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 No.309499

>>305228
Since 25 its as if the film reel that is my life ran out of film and it just kept spinning and projecting a blank screen.

There was never a sense of urgency for me to "adapt" and get a respectable career once i graduated college. That sense of urgency that grips normies and compels them to achieve, network, form relationships just didn't exist in me. i never gave a shit about other people around me or my reputation etc. My parents divorced when i was 7 and i don't think they actually wanted to have children. Mom was abusive and died, dad is emotionally distant and never seemed to have actively engaged with me to mold and shape me into a functional adult. he just let me do whatever, so i just lazed around and fucked off.

I have this instinctive laziness. I bowed out of any classes that involved math or numbers at all. Got a worthless degree. I'm 35 now and I've been working as an overnight security guard for the past 4 years. I literally do nothing all night for 8 hours. I just sit at a desk. I'm on the clock typing this right now.

I feel like you have to be on some kind of continual, upward trajectory so that by the time you're 30 you're established and at cruising altitude; financially, professionally, socially, and romantically. I did "nothing" all of my 20s.

I enjoy the simple pleasures of life. a cigarette alone at the park, a local pizza, good pilsner, good books, and having peace and quiet without pressure from the world of normies or my family

 No.309583

>>309499
I feel as though I also had this weird sense of laziness during my 20s. I always had healthy anxiety to get things done, but I always thought things would eventually fall into place. Coincidentally I spent my 20s as a security guard until I decided to get a CDL. At 34 I now have this sense of finality. This is it. This is my life until I die, which I hope is soon.


>I enjoy the simple pleasures of life. a cigarette alone at the park, a local pizza, good pilsner, good books, and having peace and quiet without pressure from the world of normies or my family

I used to so the same but food no longer tastes like anything and beer just makes me fall asleep before getting fully drunk. It's as though my brain is telling me it's time to go and there's nothing more to do, not even have fun.

 No.309590

>>309583
>beer just makes me fall asleep before getting fully drunk

Wtf me too. Is this just an old person thing?

 No.309595

>>305228
I don't know what "for the better" would even mean. I have no dreams or ambitions or goals. If I could ask a genie for anything in the world I don't know what would help me without completely restructuring my personality to be a totally different person.
I guess the answer is no since I don't believe it's actually possible to rewire your personality in that way.

 No.309603

>>309590
I have no idea, it certainly seems like it.


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