/dep/ - Depression

>>306125
>it wasn't fun like I thought it was
after your NEET days are over and if you don't have a comfortable job then it's truly is the end.

>>307493
>Very few autists enjoy life in the modern world.
Was it any better in the past? Genuine question.

>>307549
Fewer autists existed in the past.

>>307518
absolutely this. waging is soulless. so many stuff i'd like to do but come weekends i just play games and sleep because i have no willpower left for anything

>>307568
>so many stuff
so much

I was a neet then a wagie now half and half. The only good thing is money. I wanted to move to SEA after grinding but nope. Just find small joys.

>>306667
if you want ultra intense like the other wiz said, DMT. but personally i think controlled doses of LSD and working up to high doses where you can handle the intensity is what i'd recommend. I only had borderline overwhelming experiences when i got up to 4-5 hits which i think made them more profound since i worked up to that intensity, because i was able to be present and not just tripping out of my gourd

>>306762
LSD sucks, there are many other Phenethylamines that are better. LSD lasts for a long time so if you get a shitty trip it will make you want to commit for a long time. And whilst its true that nndmt is very intensive, it only lasts for like 10 mins

You're not missing anything tbh. I only get like $1k per month in neetbux and it fucking sucks.

>I miss being a proper neet so much and im jealous of people who can be
Same, strictly speaking I am a neet, but health issues make my life unbearable. Only the rope can release me from this crap

>>302015
mind = blown

>>304656
narc

>>297753
>How do you guys fight anhedonia?
Have you tried nicotine?

I fight anhedonia with high ABV beer. But I only get drunk on Friday evening. I'm sober the rest of the time.

When I'm drunk (not wasted), I enjoy playing videogames, I enjoy music.

>>301975
>Life with anhedonai feels pointless. No pleasure, no point? Like why do anything. I just end up doing nothing

This.

>>305617
I tried it. It kinda works, but the nicotine burnout was unpleasant and accidently overdosing on velo pouches is worse than any hangover i've ever had

>Let's discuss strategies for getting rid of pessimistic thoughts.

that's the spirit! clearly stating the thing you want to happen. this helps the thing being born.

1) i believe the number one thing that helps you shake the pessimism is choice. embrace choice. choose to do everything you can to be healthy. the pessimism is a manifestation of auto pilot and choice is manual flight. you do your own flying by choosing to. you can choose to be healthy, you can choose to be an optimist, you can choose to say "this is fine" while sitting at the burning table no matter how strange and out of place it feels.

2) when sitting at a burning table, the impulse is to run. this only makes sense when there is somewhere to run though that isn't the burning table. the impulse to flee, not to be here, to be anywhere but here is a strong anchor into unconsciousness. i did this for decades with video games. i could not handle being a childslave forced to go to school where evil people who hate me violently tried to make me into cannonfodder so i played video games every second i could, trying to endure the torture. now i have endured the torture and i know nothing about this world because i've never been here. i was born in my late 30s.

3) habits are important. everything you do often enough you will start to do automatically and forget about and potentially not even notice when you are doing it. you have to choose to look at your habits and see if they are good for you. one after the other, question all your existing habits; which is way harder then it sounds because habits try to evade your scrutiny as to keep themselves alive; they develop a live on their own and develop self-preservation even. find the bad habits and reduce them gently, think of good new habits and do them often enough to experience something wonderful: you will be doing them automatically without having to spend conscious effort and willpower on them. i don't have to give my best to eat healthy, i have been doing it for so long that it is the only way i eat at this point.

i hope you can stay your course of positivity long enough for your efforts to become habit OP💪💪. i remember this wonderful feeling: when you do something that takes dedication that did not come easy to you and then one day when you are absent minded you notice that you are doing the thing without you having to force yourself whatsoever because the habit has formedPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>303386

i'm reading carl jung currently, dudeman thinks dreams are how the collective unconscious tries to communicate with you. once i started trying to write down my dreams i noticed how much i was dreaming.

>>306441
>Saw a workbook online called Cognitive Behavioural Workbook for Depression online and decided to order it. Will report in a couple of months if it helps.

i'll read the report. when i find it i post an interesting workbook i once bought on a whim and did about half of it. it was all about drawing statistics about your life on colorful paper.

>>306441
>We all hear "just lift weights bruh" but it's not the only cure for depression. It's a very effective cure, but before that you need to build up your window of tolerance. I decided to start small. I'll go out and walk my dog in park early in the morning or late in the evening when nobody's around. I also want to read more new books and go back to fingerboarding. Fingerboarding is a good hobby because

dancing or at least some form of physical expression that can slowly become a dance i believe to be a necessary part of mental health. i like to skate to music and it feels like dancing. enjoying and playing with the movement mechanics of the human body is an essential part of the puzzle i almost never hear discussed or even mentioned so let me mention it here: dancing, skating, ice skating, or maybe an artistic martial arts like capoeira are necessary. at least dance to music you love with your headphones on in your room. if this feels shameful to you, it shouldn't. dance is the antidote to this shame that society tries to install on people.

>>302319
Check my thread around self-hypnosis and mind hygiene for some tech tips if you want
Good luck and have a good life.
>>307395

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>>307375
im in one i wanna add other guys to, u can join if u want
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>>307270
It doesn't have to be like that wizard. The key to freedom from ocd is to stop fighting.

>>307282
>>307321
its over for me. im in outpatient treatment 5 days a week and get drunk everyday after. im paranoid and have the worst obsessive thoughts. now its time for my 3rd busch light

>>307205
>around her because your body starts releasing dopamine,

you wouldn't have that if you knew how to make yourself happy. it is you releasing the dopamine that is already in your body. if you knew how to make yourself happy, you wouldn't need the other person to be the key to unlock your happiness.

i also experienced this when i was younger because i was in school were happiness is 'treated' as a problem and you learn it is better not to be happy. this is the seed of corruption. by training you to be unhappy, you become an emotional puppet. regain your strengh man and unlock yourself through meditation.

I can never enjoy a moment to its full extent. I can never relax. I can never truly feel at rest. I have Tourettic (also known as Just Right) OCD and Pure O OCD, which are the worst kinds to have IMO. CBT doesn't work for these types. And I would rather die than get on meds. I feel like Sissyphus, I am constantly performing labor, every moment of my life. Except unlike Sissyphus I can't crush my head with the boulder. I am my slave and my master. Not even drugs relieve me from it. Sometimes it gets to a point where wearing shoes feels like torture (without any trace of hyperbole) because I sometimes get a compulsion where I need to wriggle all of my toes five times. I inherited this disorder and hypothetically if I were able to get married and have kids I may very well choose not to because I don't want people to experience this burden.
This is hell. I am so exhausted. It started when I was a kid and just rapidly accelerated from there. I didn't know that I was experiencing the last peaceful moments of my life. I never knew peace again. There is no escape aside from death.

>>307273
>I appreciate your understanding Wiz
I don't think I understand OCD. Seems like certain compulsions literally take you over from time to time. Some normie with a healthy brain would probably believe something like this isn't possible or it is exagerated. Going through bizarre mental stuff myself I am inclined to believe OCD is real.
>I can't imagine how awful that must be
I hear a voice in my head which constantly comments on my thoughts, but isn't some kind of dream or fantasy. I have zero control what it says and can't turn it off. I can interact with it like it is a different person. I can clearly sense the difference between my thoughts and these voices. Only other schizophrenics seem to understand how this ruins your life.
>there's no treatment for this other than what they offer for OCD
I don't know what they offer for OCD but antipsychotics don't cure anything, they just tranquilize your entire nervous system.

>>307156
In his case how is this thought going to help him?

>>305809
>>307152
I have nothing to say to you brother but I feel the same. I relate to this on a deeper level.

hey iam 1.83m and i will get height surgery to make it 1.95m you should KYS now it's over for you

>>305809
>I am 23 years old. You might say that is young. But I have lost the most important years of my growth and development.
yes, but don't worry, that is all still too little compared to the future

>>305809
Yes, I went through something similar. I regret not running away or hanging myself as a teenager. There is this wish to permanently leave this world through hanging. Soon I will experience what comes after death. If there is nothing I will stop experiencing this nightmare too.

>>307201
Who fucking cares? So what if someone dies at 19 or 80? Why is it a problem either way?

>>307022
>>307020
kiwifarms drove him to suicide.

My schizophrenic voices harassing me again. I don't believe they originate from inside my head, but try to talk to people about this idea and it degenerates into "No, absolutely not you schizo and if you think anything outside purely material reality exists you need to kill yourself" or "Yeah I agree! And the pyramids are sending me signals telling me I need to construct the next ark of the covenant in order to summon a star god"

hmmm look at that landscape, it looks so lonely, as if someone could get drepressed there

>>306830
You're welcome

The answer there is recognising gates and plateaus of skill. What ability and degree of competence unlocks a gate to the *next* dependent relevant skill, and how far you can/should pursue it before diminishing returns becomes a factor, and what signals indicate you need to maintain your skill level, because everything decays that is not maintained.

Currently I'm working towards making good steaks consistently in a gas range - because I haven't had a gas range all my adult life.

The path is - make omlettes, by which I learned heat control and temperature management + an understanding of what makes a good pan.
Then pan fried peppers, by which I learned correct and effective methods for chopping and ingredient prep + purchasing and becoming familiar with suitable cutlery, because 'a knife' is not just a knife and there are wide gulfs between them.
Then - eventually, not there yet - custom cuts of meat to a specific grade, for a specific cooking strategy.

A big problem with western - and very specifically American/Taylorisation, is the idea that a skill can be taught out of whole cloth, that the necessary steps just need to be followed, however long it may be from point zero, to achieve a goal. Think the rejection of phonics because "Every adult just reads the same way and we are wasting time teaching sounds when letters are what matter."

This is simply not the case, the correct approach demonstrated by kaizen in .jp is continuous plateaued improvement, where some skills simply exist to scaffold the development of the higher order skills necessary to achieve the actual goal. I've recently Re-read The Puritan Gift which goes into great detail why the second method works, and why the first and wrong method became popular and entrenched.

>>307060
Like I said its their potential, what they can be; what they are is disgusting but what they can be is better than anything. You get small glimpses of what is deep inside of people but they are so focused on avoiding discomfort and wallowing in their pleasure they never even try to move towards that.

>>306892
Because I am better than them.

>>306906
You're a fat retard

>>306906
And the reason you're a fat retard is because you're living like an animal. Only animals mindlessly avoid unpleasant sensations, humans go beyond them because we can choose, of our own will, not by conditioning, to not avoid them and even impose them on ourselves. What growth isnt unpleasant? If you're a fatass starving will objectively improve your life yet its unpleasant while continuing to stuff your face is pleasant.

Being a low iq nigger that only thinks about how to feel good isnt smart.

>>307149
>humans go beyond them because we can choose, of our own will, not by conditioning, to not avoid them and even impose them on ourselves
What are you even talking about you dead ass mongoloid, you can choose to impose pain on yourself? Wow of course you can, but this has nothing to do with my argument.
I argued life is terrible because we must endure unpleasant sensations AGAINST OUR WILL, like who the fuck chooses to get cancer? Yet you can be diagnosed with it one day.
We are thrown into the world by our parents and then forced to endure torture or kill ourselves. This is the reality of our world.

>>307051
Sounds more like a nigger said this

>>307068
ok so?
what can be taken away from that quote?
it's like saying
"a car without fuel is useless"
well yeah duh
so?

>>307080
That's a really stupid interpretation of the statement. There's no need to deduce something so clear to similes involving material utlilty.
>A man who has the knowledge but lacks the power clearly to express it is no better off than if he never had any ideas at all.
Means that doing things ends up getting those things done, while just thinking about doing those things doesn't. There's no reason to revere those who simply think. Such reverence is especially unnecessary in the context of reflection, i.e don't get an ego boner because you know how to solve a problem but are too lazy to actually fix that issue. Your contribution to resolving the issue as someone who knows but does not do is worth the same as that from someone who doesn't know and doesn't do, because they both bring about the same results. tl;dr Do it, faggot.

I can't figure out the quote's relevance to this thread, but on the whole it applies to /dep/ well
>I want to die soo sooo bad and I've learned 500 ways to kill myself from suicide handbooks but I absolutely can not and will not kill myself because uuh willpower or predetermism or my mom will turn me in to a vegetable or something. You must pity me and revere me as though I am someone who actually did take his life though because me and him are like totally the same, in fact I am suffering more than they guy who actually did die.

>>307038
What is worse?
People acting like they know everything about you from taking just one look at you, or from reading just one of your posts. If you take their misguided advice, you will not only fight with other people on your way, but you will be going the wrong way entirely.

>>307044
Extreme laziness, gooning, idling in the comfort zone for too long.