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 No.308437[Reply]

Is the feeling of alienation familiar to you? Does it hurt?

"All my life, I have lived with the feeling that I have been kept from my true place. If the expression "metaphysical exile" had no meaning, my existence alone would afford it one."

~ Emil Cioran ; The Trouble With Being Born
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 No.308470

>Is the feeling of alienation familiar to you?
yes thanks to whoever/whatever i've never known what it's like to belong literally anywhere. i've never been invited twice to any group activity and i've never wanted to be invited even once in the first place. my level of socialization is basically only slightly above zero by virtue of my middle school being a survive-it-yourself shithole.
>Does it hurt?
idk not really when i'm drunk otherwise not really either idk i don't care as much as i used to i guess. well sometimes it does feel bad that i can't even connect with some retards on imageboards but i guess i don't care that much anyway after all. yeah i get what you mean but idk it's not my fault people are so insufferable

 No.308527

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>>308469
i mean, you just identified why you dont understand: theres a difference between instanced, contextualized social tampon tier work socialization, and voluntary, extracurricular "i like you, you like me, lets spend time together" real world stuff.

or at least i imagine, the latter is something ive basically never experienced, but i can see how it could actually be enjoyable and satiating as opposed to the former. i can only think back to being about 12 going on a schooltrip with friends when had a great time. lost them all a few years later though :)

if you somehow, in some unicorn scenario in adulthood, manage to accrue a collection of people you actually like who you're comfortable around, i can see how that would be fun, liberating even. never gonna happen though lol. if you dont go to uni and make friends seems like youre never gonna have any, just morsels of empty shituational relationshits instead.

as for answering the op. yes ive always felt alienated. always been relegated to the periphery, never knew what to do about it, spawnkilled my life.

 No.310343

>>308527
>i mean, you just identified why you dont understand: theres a difference between instanced, contextualized social tampon tier work socialization, and voluntary, extracurricular "i like you, you like me, lets spend time together" real world stuff.


Goood. I was going to write "just zap me with a defibrillator and tell the staff I suddenly went flatline" but this line makes me wish to live some more.

>if you somehow, in some unicorn scenario in adulthood, manage to accrue a collection of people you actually like who you're comfortable around, i can see how that would be fun, liberating even. never gonna happen though lol. if you dont go to uni and make friends seems like youre never gonna have any, just morsels of empty shituational relationshits instead.



I had to befriend a POS of a friend once. he turned to be a crab cel completely unaligned with my wizard cel related lifestyle. This crabby would enjoy watching me beating a fast-paced game, but assburger games were too boring on him

He's mentally ill enough to not suspect him of intentional harm, but he's the definiton of a "basic fool" as result.

He ended up pawning his whole PC with my RAM in it for the price as low as the new RAM would be at the moment. He owes me the money and I refuse to speak with him until that debt is repaid so given he can't keep his job no matter where he would go that's my ticket to telling him a "goodbye" without actually telling him a goodbye.

 No.310344

Comfy, only way i can be myself. Think i went from avoidant to schizoid as the years just crushed any human desire to connect out of me. When i dreamwalk at night, i met people in a huge backroom mansion and we had so much fun. Dreamwalking is one of the only things i look forward to.

 No.310354

I feel like I'm not supposed to be here. In my ego it seems as if theres some bigger reason why. Just common sense tells me i'm just a defect human that isn't supposed to breeed and make more people like me



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 No.307205[Reply]

This thread is for talking about OCD, addictions, or those kinds of disorders that ruined our lives
>So
When I was a kid, I had some pretty OCD-like behavior—I’d touch things and check them over and over until I felt reassured that everything was okay. I also used to walk on my tiptoes, which is a bit autistic, but I eventually stopped doing that (I don’t know if I have autism at this point bacause never did a test, but whatever).
>So what’s up with you?
Well, in my case is limerence (some studies say is co-related to OCD)
>And what’s that like?
Well, imagine a succubi (for some people even can be the other sex you dont like) talks to you and treats you kindly once or twice, and then you start getting way more than just nervous around her because your body starts releasing dopamine, serotonin, and all that shit. And since you don’t know what’s going on, you think you like her or have fallen in love, but its NOT.
really it’s just fucking anxiety toward a “thing.” Because you’re constantly seeking validation in some way—whether for friendship, attention, or love but you have this anxiety that you know is inappropriate, and if you act on it, the feeling of danger gets worse, it’s almost like you’re having a heart attack. and as time pass the thing got worst and worst and you get more obsessive, nerveous and get a peak of anxiety, even start to rumiate or have that thing of limerence (LO) living rent free in your head bacause your brain cant stop thinking about your LO
>What was the worst experience you've ever had?
Even you will end starting to dream with the LO and have happy dreams or nightmares and waking up crying bacause you are getting the peak of anxiety and dopamine,etc sec before waking up. this shit can even ruin friendship.
>Why the hell does this happen?
I don’t know, genetics, anxiety, depression, emotional dependency, low self-steem, negligent parents, love hungry, maybe OCD etc and a whole lot of shit
>You're larping this nonsense
but in my case, it’s not like those internet memes of bitch tumblr succubi where it only happens once and they use like a joke for love or crush
>You're a retard and you fall in love go fuk yourself wizard
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 No.308569

>>307330
>i also experienced this when i was younger because i was in school were happiness is 'treated' as a problem and you learn it is better not to be happy.

nigga what kinda school did you go to??? a russian school???

every school everywhere on the planet forces positivity on everyone, they'd never tell you to be unhappy

 No.308570

>>308552
Humans point?

Yes. You totally earned a good chunk of wizard's human-ness points for helping a succubus with her crap using the /wiz/dom you have accumulated throughout years. Good job, really



Congratulations!

 No.308581

>>308569
СМЕХ БЕЗ ПРИЧИНЫ ПРИЗНАК ДУРАЧИНЫ

 No.308900

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This thread is the gayest thing i've ever seen

 No.310341

>>308900
How come you are enough of a gay connoseur to be able to tell this?



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 No.308862[Reply]

I wasted years of my life working and started college late. Last year, I began a degree program in psychology education to see if later I could handle a degree in psychology or become a therapist, and in short it was a disaster. I felt like a damn alien next to my classmates, and I didn’t feel comfortable in class, not with them, not with anything.
This year, I decided to start studying another major focused on the hobbies i love, music related things as hobby. I decided to try music education, and so far everything’s going well, and I even feel comfortable with my classmates, but the social aspect is still killing me.

>What's you cant handle?

>Vocal education
I can't handle vocal training classes I usually freeze up and can't even sing a scale. The strange thing is, I don't know if the teacher plays favorites, but she treats the succubi better, from what I've seen, they've been singing for a while, sing in church choirs around religious things etc, or already have experience with singing and high notes. I don't notice her treating the men the same way or giving them the same attention, and most of the guys haven't practiced singing before. Last time, she told me I don’t sing because I strive too much for perfection i dont believe this is true but this didnt help in anything. I don’t know if she misunderstood me or if she hates me, but I’m not sure if she understands that I can’t control my nerves and i actually told she about this. one day she just told me something in the lines of go to a psychologist bla bla Obviously, I failed her exams. maybe i the problem or she even tried to help much. maybe i will try to change to another teacher next year i dont know.

>Language and music theory problem

The language and music theory classes started a little late, but I love them (with piano classes), and the fun part comes in the later semesters. My only problem is that, because of some university policy, they make us record ourselves and… oh my god, I hate my fucking face. I’ve never liked recording myself, and they even make us record ourselves singing, which is even worse, because I can’t even stand in front of a camera for two seconds without go full into a panic attack of nervers and sadness. i hate mirrors and watching myself in recordings.

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 No.310254

Dear Wizard,

today I have discovered some people - 1 in 4, I think - experience anxiety from caffeine due to some gene not helping to metabolize caffeine properly.

I think I should treat coffee as my work drink again. I also think I was never supposed to drink tea at five o'clock. My self-esteem used to tank and I used to drink tons of coffee to just keep myself awake.

 No.310257

>I felt like a damn alien next to my classmates, and I didn’t feel comfortable in class, not with them, not with anything.
I know this feeling. It happened in uni and now its happening in the workplace.
The best kind of job for me would be one where I don't have coworkers and can work from home.
I fantasize about playing poker for a living lel. That would be a nice job, but I don't think its possible.

 No.310270

>>310257
How can we overcome alienation? I feel like the victory slide of a right extremist party in one of our federal states yesterday slightly helps. I'm rather leftist myself in many ways but I can't express enough how much I'm annoyed by people holding themselves in high regards and proclaim their superior morals when in fact I've always felt like an alien around such people. To me this is a little bit of relief that despite all their propaganda and rhetorics the right won. But if I think one step ahead I fear that the right might make everything even much worse for me. I don't know, people simply suck, left or right.

 No.310315

>>308862
>psychology education
>become a therapist
>music education
these are delusional fantasies that you'd have to go hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for masters+ degree with scant chance of getting a job that pays enough to justify the debt load.

 No.310337

>>310315
This.
GPTs are a decent self-helpers once you install a LLaMa-like "AI on a thumbdrive" thingy on your private laptop. A commercial AI like ChatGPT can help you should you ask for "I am a seasoned PC user yet I need a walkthrough with installing a small AI on and from a thumb drive. I use windows btw"



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 No.302164[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Does anyone here struggle with alcohol, or have managed to quit?

It used to be a good coping mechanism for me, but it seems the older I've gotten the worse it feels, and it's become detrimental to my health and the way I behave around people. Easily annoyed, constantly starting shit, tired all the time, strange pains. And I was still getting worse, fast.

This has been a wake-up call and I'm realizing I need to quit before it's too late. Though that's easy for me to say now when I'm still feeling bad, and I fear the cravings will come back strong, but I know I've got to try.

Curious to hear others experience with this.
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 No.309397

>>309389
This is only like 10% true. Careful with sugar.

 No.309704

>>309354
The craves went away after a few weeks (I would argue the soda/caffeine might have even helped in the quitting process) and now things are back to normal.

Next step is to cut out all processed and empty carbs.

 No.309954

alcohol taketh away more than it giveth. a beer or two in the afternoon is fine but the hangxiety from heavy drinking sucks, don't ever let it go that far.

 No.310230

There is no easy way to quit. But like you said eventually it will fuck you up and you will realize enough is enough.

 No.310328

>>302164
This thread made me drink a little


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 No.310238[Reply]

how do some people make it so long.

i dont get it. im always so close to killing myself .

i hate myself .
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 No.310262

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I live in an apartment building with a spiral staircase with a big-ish open center.
In my alcoholism i have thought and gotten out there just to debate it. jumping down.
At the bottom of the staircase is a basement that belongs to a family restaurant that has the bottom floor of the building.
I don't want to put that on them, but i was thinking of this and things about assulting to kill strangers still up to just recently.

i feel better now which i thank to making a friend and reconnecting with another friend both on steam.
i failed to do my end of the mingling job as a friend with the ladder.
i talk with them almost everyday even if limited messages, i have shown them images of my job and life, they are real friends to me.
i got into pc mouse drawing thanks to the new friend who is an artist in the mlp space. Knowing i had decent ability for it, i tried. i really enjoy it now.

I'm still drinking and i sit at my pc all day after work with nothing going on but i have something now that i dont want to go without, if i lost these friends one day, that would really fuck me up.
i have not had friends like this since i was 11. i am 25

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>>310262
It's been 3 months with these 2 people. Making the new friend got me to reach out for the older one pretty quickly. this was one of my first draws

 No.310266

Main reason for me is not hurting my family. Apart from that I would have probably planned it already.

 No.310308

same, I think I will be really gone soon

 No.310313

>>310238
its simply not bad enough. total paralysis or getting funkytown'd by drones or something would probably make me willing



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 No.310299[Reply]

>be me, living life
>leftist roons come at me in swarms to try and cancel my style
>the system won't help me, it helps them attack me
>truth be tol', if I wanted to 100% my speedrun I would have to KO the roon and then go Han Solo to Anakin skywalker in tattoonie.
>…
>shit, these fuckers get to win


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 No.310204[Reply]

I have always suffered in silence. I never speak to others about my suffering—whether it’s my family or anyone else. I have always bottled up my emotional pain. Besides, no one wants me, so there is no point in reaching out to others to build the kind of trusting bond where I could open up. The last time I cried was five years ago; before that, I hadn't cried for six or seven years—or maybe even longer, I can't remember. I am tired of living; I can't take it anymore. I am not strong enough to hold on to life. I just can't manage it. In any case, there are so many people who can't cope and who give up on life—and yet people want to save them? My heart is too heavy; it’s crushing me.
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 No.310207

I'm very sorry to hear this, wiz. I'm not feeling the best today either.

> I never speak to others about my suffering—whether it’s my family or anyone else. I have always bottled up my emotional pain.


You are free to speak here. You'll be given a fair audience.

>Besides, no one wants me, so there is no point in reaching out to others to build the kind of trusting bond where I could open up.


Obviously, this cannot be certainly known. You can always try reaching out; it may go well and benefit you. You cannot know until you try.

>I am tired of living; I can't take it anymore


I spoke the same two sentences in my own mind earlier today.

I am going to shower and then lie down in my bed and try to sleep. Perhaps I'll feel better in the morning.

 No.310213

life is torture, anyone claiming that the purpose of being alive is to fight is a retard, whatever we do it always ends with death, the big issue is that this self-replicating dna molecule is widespread and will keep bringing new people to life so what we can do is to allieviate suffering as much as we can through cope while waiting for the universe to freeze

 No.310214

>>310207
>Perhaps I'll feel better in the morning.
do you feel better? because I don't. during the day, I stress because of my life and the night I'm sad and want to end it all. it's a real torture

 No.310215

>>310204
>I have always suffered in silence. I never speak to others about my suffering—whether it’s my family or anyone else

I feel related. I am in the same situation, so I don't know what to say to you and I don't have a good advise o anything worth it.

 No.310243

>>310204
Life is a one painful rape before death. There's nothing special. A nightmare that'll end, hopefully.



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 No.306265[Reply]

I feel like a lot of people, especially older normies overestimate the abilities of the average guy and the problems that are out there to be solved in real life.

There is this old guy I listened to for the past decade now called Eli the Computer Guy and he often repeats this mantra that a tech professional should go out there pick themselves up by their bootstraps and solve problems for money.
Solve real world problems for money. Provide solutions using your skills. Over and over again while teaching people about making toy cars with a microcomputer or whatever.

Issue is there aren't any problems the average guy is capable of solving that people are able to pay enough for to make it worthwhile.
Maybe I'm low IQ and not creative enough, but that is the point I guess.
The average guy that got a CS or engineering degree and is now doing menial tasks at a big corporation isn't going to create groundbreaking solutions because everything worth doing, all the low hanging fruit and obvious problem/solution pairs have been done to death, patented to death or worse.

Big tech is so big that they offer a solution so refined, so solid, so cheap that no mom-and-pop shop will ever give you the time of day if those even exist.
The average normie is quite content with a phone which is basically a toy-ified computer gadget.
They don't need more.
Most even run their own little business from it using a handful of cheap/free big tech tools that if you were to offer a homebrew solution for it would cost an arm and leg to maintain without economies of scale.

What does a network tech that wants to "solve problems" do aside from running cable? You could lease a 10G fiber line from a big ISP and sublet it by wiring up a small village I guess?
Then the government gives a huge fucking grant to big ISP and they just wire up every small village themselves leaving you with nothing.
If you are lucky you can become a subcontractor doing menial tasks for the big ISP in a set region.

What does the average coder do now? Especially with the future of them limiting hardware/software access? Every app is made that a normie needs. Kinda like with websites.
Every normie uses less than a dozen of them, mostly through apps…
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 No.310059

>Issue is there aren't any problems the average guy is capable of solving that people are able to pay enough for to make it worthwhile.

how is that the same then

>There isn't much left to do


the conclusion i draw from this is that money is an evil system almost entierly benefitting those who have it and don't need to work for it. money is the worst but yall normies don't hear me.

 No.310061

>>310059
>the conclusion i draw from this is that money is an evil system

there is tons of stuff to do but not for money. in the future there are like 3 companies and they are the only ones with money and everyone has to work for them.

i will not work for them…

 No.310101

>>306265
im only willing to work overnight security from now until i die. if for whatever reason i can no longer do this because it gets automated (doubtful tbh), then ill just buy a used van, live in it, and find some kind of flexible work to get money to survive.

Im 35 and i've accepted a life of mediocrity. for hte past 10 years ive just mailed it in, and the urgency to pursue excellence has never been there. i just dont care. i already know what the reward is

 No.310103

>>310101
>Im 35 and i've accepted a life of mediocrity. for hte past 10 years ive just mailed it in, and the urgency to pursue excellence has never been there. i just dont care. i already know what the reward is

in case you did not consider, you can not-pursue excellence in public but still be excellent towards yourself, which is what i am doing. written from my van from a camping spot one country to the east, it's super nice in this country there is a way to book camping spots without having to interact with the owner. i just pay with creditcard, give them my license plate number and drive on a spot near farmland or near a river and leave by the time they wrote on the website without leaving trash.

security sucks, being the henchmen of the rich and established is miserable, it would be preferable to be a bum, have a nice day though.

 No.310143

>>310103
>being the henchmen for the rich and established
i sit in an empty office building in a nice office chair and basically do nothing. i don't really do anyones bidding, and there's free snacks and coffee. its a big tech company



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 No.309114[Reply]

>The more I seclude myself the more I long for human connection
>The more I interact with the 3D world the more I just want to be left alone
I literally cannot win in this life
I am always worried about doing the wrong thing, I am always lamenting all of my errors of the past
I hardly actually live
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 No.310096

>>310093
I just talk to them less. You can take distance bit by bit, you do not necessarily have to tell them "I don't want to be your friend"

 No.310100

>>310096
>I just talk to them less. You can take distance bit by bit, you do not necessarily have to tell them "I don't want to be your friend"

sometimes you meet someone and from the first moment you know you don't wanna meet that person, your approach is to just laugh nervously and answer all their demands for attention until they decide to get the hint and leave you alone. that sucks man, that's feminine approach.

what if you are an awesome guy and all the assholes want to be your "friends" the moment they see you like the predators they are. if you were awesome enough you knew this. their friendship is only a pretense to take advantage of you, leech off your energy, satisfy their curiosity about you.

sucks to be swarmed by bullies and then bit by bit having to painfully go through the process of having to slowly make the fool understand that his evil ways are not welcome at you and then slowly hope that they don't switch into open hostility, which (again you will not know this) is only their pretense to keep the interaction going for as long as they want.

>just talk to them less

it doesn't work their fascination of the dead conditioned ones with pre-conditioned consciousness is too strong. they are like moths and go to where the light is no matter what.

i roll my eyes at your naivety, you lack the life experience to give any advice. good luck to you though, you sound like you need it.

 No.310105

>>310100
You overanalyze everything, like everybody does on these kinds of 4chan sites '-')
How annoying -_-

 No.310107

>>310105
Going by writing style, that poster has been hanging around like a bad smell for a few weeks now.

 No.310108

>>310105
>You overanalyze everything

no you are just surface, smooth like a marble fresh from the factory, slippery like the eel, like a lvl 2 pidgey.



 No.310062[Reply]

anyone here into studying carl jung by any chance? there is a lot i find fascinating about him but what impressed me the most is that he condensed his mental health strategy into a single word: integtation. implied in this is that each person has unconscious parts and by making those unconscious parts conscious, they no longer sabotage.

to me this is amazing and ballsey. i image most other mental health practitioners would not give you a one word answer to the question of how to have a healthy mind. i image they'd say that this is impossible to answer and that it depends and that an expert is needed.
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 No.310065

Just like wizards above, I never got the "integration" thing

 No.310066

Just like wizards above, I never got the "integration" thing

 No.310067

Yes I've gotten very into him in the past couple years. Active imagination has been the most useful psychological thing I've done.

>>310064
There is no general rule because it depends on individuals. Things like ethnicity, culture, familial background impacts the specifics. As an actual technique the most effective one is active imagination.

The essential thing is just having those situations where you can encounter the unconscious content so you can actually engage with it and come into proper relation with it. Historically this would have been through things like local folk practices and religious rituals, and cultural practices generally. Jung's idea is that the human psyche has things which express those ethnic/religious ideas (archetypes) and that because we are alienated from the traditional means there isn't actually a great vehicle for doing it. He attempts to provide a way for people to do it on their own stuff like:
>Oh well she's trying to find herself and integrate her shadow of course! If the said husband is hurt by this then well, he's got an unexplored and neglected anima!
Largely comes from people trying to simplify it or make it accessible, ultimately you are the only one who can ensure your relation to those complexes is harmonious. There are many ways it can go wrong, inflation because you identify with the unconcious or collective conciousness. Possession by the archetype and having your ego sort of shadowed over by it. Projecting it onto things around you (the most obvious thing for this is succubi liking abusive/domineering men because that's a vehicle for animus projection, and men liking attention whore succubi because they are a vehicle for anima projection)
The opposite is also the case, the butch dyke identifying with her animus, or the fag/tranny identifying with their anima.

The whole idea is these things are at work in us anyway and by getting a clearer relationship with it rather then it just harvesting your energy you can have a proper relationship with it and see how it effects you.

A very simple practical thing can kind of be seen through the popularization of jung through the psychological type stuff. Your inferior function in mbti (or just the opposite of your dominant function in more standard jungian stuff ie if you are the introverted thinkinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.310076

>>310064

>I mean, conceptually it seems logical, but like all if this psychology shit, it falls apart in practice.


you could have taken responsibility and said "i don't know how" but instead you have chosen to make it a theater production and the more unconscious you are, the more you feel the urge to frame reality in terms that would imply that you can not be at fault for it. that immediately jumped at me. even on a somewhat anonymous website you don't feel comfortable being vulnerable. the voice in your head that said "wait no, lets write it in a way where it doesn't sound like i did something wrong!" i believe to be your unconscious.

>How do you "integrate" your subconscious, your shadow, become an "individual"? Jung never really made that super clear, it all vague wishy washy shit that can map unto anything.


-_- well it's a process that takes time, effort and present-mindedness. you keep learning about it, fiding out new details, wondering how it could make sense. you try to find out what the part that takes control of you is trying to tell you. you are asking for a pill, for a code that you just have to execute, you are asking for someone to do the thinking for you instead of walking as far and as fast as your own thoughts can carry you.

there is something inside you, heavily suppressed by education, normality, culture, fear and all kinds of other social mechanisms of violence and you are trying to find out what it tries to tell you. one way the the subconscious tries to communicate with you is through dreams so one part of it is to make a dream journal. i use a simple open source notepad app on the phone were i just have to write the end of the filename and hit a button and it is saved in a folder of my choice.

>Why is the succubus cheating on her husband? Oh well she's trying to find herself and integrate her shadow of course! If the said husband is hurt by this then well, he's got an unexplored and neglected anima!


anything can be made to sound stupid.

>Give me an explicit, unambiguous algorithm for "integration" that we can empirically test and even try out on ourselves and then we can talk. Until then it's just fairy dust bullshit.


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>Yes I've gotten very into him in the past couple years. Active imagination has been the most useful psychological thing I've done.

i'm reading Memories, Dreams, Reflections and i am almost at the point where he talks about it for the first time, looking forward to it, the book has been amazing so far. i'm still at the part where he talks about how freud was worried about losing respect. freud the fraud.



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