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 No.298319[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

This thread is for the discussion of the greatest misfortune in existence that is disease.

Healthy people are NPCs. They don't really exist. With disease comes the awareness of your body that your private hell and your true existence begins and hear the scream of everything. Pain teach you what it means to really exist. Disease's manifesto: to live is to suffer like a ragdoll while fate prisons you in the eternal hours pregnant with pain to cure of you from the sin of life.
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 No.303596

Sister died of cancer, now mum has it as well.
My sister did a family tree of death causes before she died and almost everyone on my father's side died of bowel cancer.
So I know what will get me, and I've seen how painful it is.
I will need to get some morphine somehow so I can just go on my own terms when it happens.

 No.303640

>>303595
>I am kind of scared of the idea of going to get a major surgery
same

 No.303641

>>303595
Anasthetic seems to be kinda iffy in general, when my feeding tube was getting put in they didn't use much, so I could tell exactly when I'm about to experience a lot of pain, me not trying to get off that operating table was supposedly impressive.

 No.303647

>>303595
The modern healthcare system is an abomination, it was better when people would just die from their issues, the only purpose of medicine should be to facilitate death to make it as less painful as possible not to keep zombies alive.

 No.303653

>>298319
Welp. At least my back isn't hurt and I have no lumbago.


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 No.303028[Reply]

I'm crafting the ultimate NEET-EMDOM plan. This is my crafty plan so far:
>give myself accute leukemia trough law of attraction
>spend one year or so HIGH 24\7 on opioids+sedatives, have everyone catering to my whims, entitled to act like a huge a**hole cause muh im gonna die
>Manifest, through the LOA, needing a fundraised -and succeeding- for an anti-cancer surgery
>after it, I ""pocket"" the leftover monies
>Now im rich, am entitled to eat copious amounts of junk food all I want for months to regain lost weight -due- to- cancer
>everyone hails me as hero cause I survived
>???
>repeat for an even more extreme cycle, then finally die in glory

 No.303634

>>303028
Getting terminal cancer would be the best thing to ever happen to me, I have nothing that makes my life worthwhile anyways so it'd just be a free ticket for the opioids+sedatives (you) described.



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 No.303580[Reply]

This theory provides a rigorous and uncompromising view of reality, defining human consciousness as the universe's mechanism for experiencing its own inevitable destruction. It moves beyond simple philosophical pessimism (nihilism) to become a Functional Pessimism or Tragic Rationalism, where lucidity is the only rational choice.

The theory is built upon three unassailable axioms:

I. The Axioms of Non-Dualistic Identity
The core of this worldview is the collapse of traditional distinctions between the self and the world, pleasure and pain:

Unified Suffering: Existence ≡ Suffering ≡ Destruction. These concepts are not related; they are fundamentally the same. The universe operates under a single rule—unmaking (entropy, destruction). Consciousness is merely the brilliant, cruel mechanism by which this unmaking is experienced as suffering. To be is to hurt.

The Cogito as Sentence: The only thing the rational mind can verify is its own existence (Cogito ergo sum). This self-awareness is not a cause for joy, but a sentence to stand fully aware within the process of destruction.

Rejection of Fragments: All seemingly positive states (joy, awe, love) are incomplete fragments of this unified suffering. They are temporary cessations of pain, or momentary illusions of permanence, which ultimately guarantee greater suffering when they inevitably dissolve.

II. The Anti-Dulling Principle
The theory's intellectual integrity rests on its rejection of all narratives that attempt to mitigate or contextualize this truth, labeling them as "dulling."

No Meaning: Any search for external purpose or meaning (a "why") is a form of self-deception—an attempt to build a story around an empty, meaningless void.

No Defiance: Fighting the suffering is self-defeating, as the self is the suffering. Defiance is a false duality that wastes energy on an internal civil war.

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 No.303584

Go away, Pajeet.

 No.303590

Pajeet nonsense

 No.303591

Be assailed!

Dualism is the only rational response to the evidence in front of you, which is "I think". Everything else is interpreted through the senses and abstraction. All the universe and its contents are the isolated thinking mind which is aware of itself, and everything that isn't the thinking mind. The only evidence for anything outside the thinking mind is provided by the thinking mind, and much of it is whimsical.

Therefore, any sensation is whatever configuration the mind happens to have at any given point.

Meaning is an act of of the mind on it's sense inputs. Any given state is distinguishable from any other state down to the atomic level, can be distinguished by choice and sense, can be rank ordered according to whichever criteria and selected for based on arbitrary criteria which the mind itself chooses to apply.

Suffering is a failure of willpower or ignorance of the rules that apply. If the mind can affect itself, then the mind is choosing to experience unpleasant sensations - either directly through self delusion, or indirectly due to ignorance of the methods for change.

Finally,
If the universe was only entropy and decay, there would be no universe. "What Does It" we cannot yet guess at coherently, but if it was *only* decline, if it was *only* the slide towards a null point, then it could never have happened in the first place - because being is contrary to entropy.

Therefore Something beats Nothing. Discovering the "Why" and the "How" and the "What" and new applications for all three is The Mind applying itself, exercising agency, and there is literally nothing else that The Mind can do. It's all degrees of intensity and success.



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 No.299778[Reply]

Is it even possible to break this cycle?

>me 10 years ago

>I'm so behind everyone I'm such a loser
>it will take years for me to see any progress
>I will be old by the time my efforts may pay off
>depressed end up doing nothing

>me 5 years ago

>fuck I'm 30 soon and haven't achieved anything this is so embarassing
>start drinking to cope

>me now

>god I was such an idiot back then why didn't I start doing something years ago I was still young
>now I am pushing 40 and it's over for real
>bedrotting every day 0 motivation to do anything cant even distract myself with anything anymore
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 No.302538

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>>302524
Listen, it's awesome that you got out of that situation and are now living a life that you find worth living. Good for you, seriously. The reason people like Goggins grind my gears so much is that, as you've said yourself, most of us don't lead such bad lives to begin with. But all those gurus online will tell you to get on your grind and hustle and never stop and what not and for what? I have food and shelter and a job that I can tolerate for now, I am healthy and even have a couple of friends I can play video games with. The only things I am 'lacking' are superfluous things like social status or material riches, which are things you get through your circumstance for the most part.
I don't care about being exceptional, I just want to be comfortable and enjoy this ride as much as I can within my means while I still can, before life finds a way to fuck me up again. It's kind of like the Western vs Eastern mindset, the Western one being about pursuit and struggle and the Eastern more coming to acceptance of what is and contentment from within.

 No.302539

>>302538
Wish I could phrase things in such a concise manner.
Well said.

 No.302556

>>302538
thanx

>>302539
this

second this opinion on >>302538

 No.303575

>>299779
>>299782
sheeeeeeeeeet

 No.303576

>>299779
Been there


however, my "anything" was too chatotic, be wary.


for instance, I haven't learnef a single habit voluntarily.


Also, some books say many people have an anti-"habit" of thinking low-probability harsh negative things.



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 No.303135[Reply]

The past really wasn't that bad for the people that survived.

Looking into it, famines basically just killed off people under 4, the elderly, and people aged 20-40 almost universally survived. Like even the potato famine has only 2% of the 20-40 year old cohort die, 1/50 is pretty good survival odds for your core productive and breeding population. That's like 1 person out of two classrooms, and it probably hit the really poor and lower classes. It looks bad with 18% of the population dying on paper, but considering people over 50 don't have kids and kids under 4-10 can be replaced instantly with a post war baby boom, it's demographically not that impactful. It's why Ethiopia's population doubled so rapidly after their famine, and India bounced back from the Bengal famine like it was nothing.

In World war 1, 16% of the French male population aged 18-45 died, making it significantly more demographically impactful than the Irish potato famine, because they were at the age where they were supposed to be having families and providing.

Famines weren't even people really starving to death that often. They mostly got killed off by an infection due to having a weakened immune system, or ate some risky food and got a disease that way. Famines seemed to displace people who then go into crowded cities, drink shitty water, and then get an infection. Famines seemed to hit once every 15 years or so, so typically you'd experience two really shit years in your adult life and then finally get dealt to in the third one as an old person. It more fucked up your family planning than anything else.

It seemed to have an economically positive effect for the actually healthy and productive part of the population in that it cleared away dependents. Immediately after the famine there'd be more available land per person and the available resources for a baby boom.
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 No.303152

>>303150
Life extension won't mean shit if people can't physically do work. Already a lot of the physical jobs involving repetitive strain, people can't do after the age of 50. Basically anyone at work in a non-managerial, non-cognitive role is functionally a liability after the age of 65. The way our cells work means you can't just have a magic drug that makes people healthy enough to work, aging and degradation is built into the human experience. If anything our raised life expectancy is exacerbating the issue and causing more dependents.

>You're underestimating how poor the current response is. Antinatalism is common.


This is like 10 times worse than the Irish potato famine demographically and people should care. Combined with the debt and pension crisis, this will absolutely collapse the global economy.

 No.303155

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if your thesis is that population decline is a bigger problem now than it was in history, just look at this chart. if the world lost 60% of the population it would just set us back to 1960.

 No.303158

>>303152
Yeah, I've meant something more like genetic modification to stop or massively slow down aging. Replacement organs for every old person would be another straw on the camel's back, since their aged brains keep them out of the workforce. I'm not keeping up with the life extension stuff, but I think youthful blood, which could be cultured has a rejuvenating effect.

The blasé mages ITT have nothing to say about the dependency ratio issue.

 No.303160

>>303150
>>303151
>Presumably the current human stock will be replaced by ultrareligious high fertility people

>or life extension gets figured out, thus solving the issue


>3rd option. AI taking over.


Option 3 1/2 - all at once.

 No.303568

>>303155
>>303155
>4 million


to low

too small

х DOUBT



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 No.300364[Reply]

I thought I was a hobby guy who like to spend time on his hobby alone but thats not true, all I care is to talk to people, thats why I come here everyday because I want to talk to someone. I am not an autist asperger with countless of niche hobby and a high IQ, I'm just a low temperture IQ monkey who thought he could fool himself and tricks his brain to think he is a genius but Im not. I wish I was made to do something but Im just a lazy parasyte, it sucks
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 No.302076

>>300637
Wizchan 2025
Damn this site is really getting old. Wizchan 2035 won't even be wizchan anymore.

 No.302077

>feels lonely
>starts thinking that maybe the hikkiNEET life is not for me and I'd be happier if I make friends and seek validation from others
>start imagining myself getting a job
>gets filled with so much primordial dread, feelings of loneliness and any other concerns get vaporized instantly
Sorry. Not normifying today either.

 No.302507

>>300364
try psych2go channel - they have videos on stuff like "touch starvation" and "wounded extrovert".


Because you dwell on introverts' den, but now you realize you was an extrover all along. Plz try.

 No.303550

>>300364
I should ask AI what hobbies are… /dep/-friendly

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 No.303370[Reply]

I think I understand something now.

A lot of people on /dep/ have quarter-life crisis and aren't actually 30+ wizards

Some here are 30+ wizards and are in midlife crisis.

So, let me say something. I have exited my quarter-life crisis. Now I think my midlife crisis will be milder than most people have since I have a job I enjoy in *ikigai* sense, not just enjoy the fact "it pays the bills".

 No.303394

The site has never been even close to majority 30+. If you actually hit 30, you've earned your stripes. I turn 29 in 3 days, and I haven't felt the itch to post regularly for years. People forget that the expected lifespan for a male virgin is probably not the same as it is for an average person.

 No.303411

They called it 'crisis' for a reason. Mine also hit at 30, but I was too broke to buy a Mustang or get hair plugs or whatever. I ended up diving back into hobbies from my 20's but found that stuff hollow and unfulfilling. I'm just glad I only wasted $500 on comic books and some car audio nonsense happened.

 No.303547

>>303411
Ah. Sure, I have a similar settis of keeping doing stuff. In fact, I keep "optimizing" my grandma's apartment to fit more small flat stuff like laptops or large amount of books (books are hoarded by my mom despite the fact she won't read them since she's too busy doing chores, lel)



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 No.302319[Reply]

Let's discuss strategies for getting rid of pessimistic thoughts. No negativity allowed in this thread.

I know this is a meme, but taking a shower can completely turn my mood around and make my worries go away, even if it's just for a couple of hours. Listening to uplifting and happy music is also very effective for me. Sometimes I have to force myself at first, but generally it changes my mood.

What are some things you wizs do to minimize depression?
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 No.303386

>>302319
Sleeping helps. Of course, it's major avoidance but my bed is pretty much the only place on this world where I don't feel any sort of negative emotion. Stress, anxiety, sadness, it all melts away once I am under the covers and have closed my eyes. I have even begun enjoying the feeling of drifting in and out of consciousness when I set short alarms for afternoon naps and keep snoozing, like surfing the tide of unreality. Dreams are also usually the only place I actually feel positive emotion and when I do it tends to linger and keep me going for some part of the day after.
I think this strategy only works if you've trained your brain to associate your bed only with sleeping though. I've never been someone who spends any waking time in bed to read or consume content or whatever, so my physiological reaction is pretty robust.

 No.303391

>>303386
>Sleeping helps. Of course, it's major avoidance but my bed is pretty much the only place on this world where I don't feel any sort of negative emotion. Stress, anxiety, sadness, it all melts away once I am under the covers and have closed my eyes.

JEALOUS!!!

I can't fall asleep until some specific conditions (not too hot, not too bright yet not too dark) are met due to being both too fat and too large

 No.303422

The only thing I've found works recently is escapism. I've been watching a lot of movies and playing games where I can really immerse myself in the story like good CRPGs or challenging games like romhacks. It's a delicate balance though because I suck at games so playing something too hard will just make me feel worse.

I used to have other hobbies that helped (different types of exercise) but I've grown to just hate them all. It's a negative feedback loop because now I'm fat and out of shape so thinking about doing those things again just makes me sad because I suck so much.

 No.303532

>>302319
not fapping

 No.303536

>>302319
I take noopept (Russian anti dementia nootropic) everyday for a month at a time.



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 No.300844[Reply]

It's completely fucking evil. I hate living in a world where it even exists, much less one where it's celebrated. It's something 99% of men do, they don't even think twice about it. I feel completely alienated from humanity because of this. Every time I read or hear something about it I get this pit in my stomach and a sense of impending doom. It used to give me panic attacks, but now it only fills me with unbridled rage.
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 No.303498

triggered all the normniggers with this thread

 No.303499

>>303495
you are angry because you wanted to be mentally and physically enslaved to roasties?
why? are you retarded?
this shit never made sense to me. like how can someone yearn for slavery so much?
do you really believe your life would be better if you were a mealticket for some roastie?
lol

 No.303500

You would like browsing r/antisex, OP.

 No.303520

What really pisses me off is how actually sexist it is in general. It's like a fucking passive. when succubi aren't directly sexist to us vocally, they do it "casually" by their presence alone if I say "Not really interested/don't care at all." or when you, god forbid, you have lots of hobbies. 3 goddamn decades of:

"Bro, we gotta get you pussy."
"Why aren't you married?"

Like, ok, let's say I do the deed, get "intimate" or whatever? is that gonna stop me from playing video games? reading goddamn Flash or something? I don't care about your snatch.

 No.303535

>>303520
>What really pisses me off is how actually sexist it is in general. It's like a fucking passive. when succubi aren't directly sexist to us vocally, they do it "casually" by their presence alone if I say "Not really interested/don't care at all."

Plot twist - the gal in question tags along since she *feels safe* with you in a sense she feels *her fluffy safe* is not gonna be violated. E.g. she knows - if some stag tries to "handle" her and then say "haha bitch went for me ahaha and then went coy ohoho" - you'll witness the real stag-rapes-succ circumstances and won't be reluctant to stand in court for her.



 No.297753[Reply]

How do you guys fight anhedonia? Do you have any experience with it?
I basically don't feel pleasure from anything except food, maybe. Stories, games, art don't really touch me at all and it sucks because I remember how much I loved escapism before and how it brought excitement, joy, sadness etc. Now it's all blank. I want to bring emotions back, want to bring excitement, joy, even sweet sadness would do honestly, I miss being profoundly sad.

Have any of you managed to revert to your older non-anhedonic self?
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 No.301975

>>297753
I find that missing a night of sleep helps anhedonia. NO fucking clue why. and it doesn't keep working (missing two nights of sleep in a row doesn't continue it). Wouldn't recommend doing it a lot.

Some drugs help but they always stop working once you build tolerance and then they never work well again I find

Other than i don't know. setting goals doesn't help in fact I would recommend against forcing yourself to do stuff you don't find enjoyable. It's like how trying to force yourself to sleep actually makes insomnia worse. You just end up associating frustration with the activity you want to do.

Life with anhedonai feels pointless. No pleasure, no point? Like why do anything. I just end up doing nothing

 No.302012

>>297753
I have found out eating 5-htp sometimes + consuming tyrosine-rich foods (kasha, bananas) helps me.


Context: seronotin is made of 5-htp in body

dopamine is made of

 No.302015

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>>297753
Amphetamines and cold showers

 No.302030

>>302012
>>302012
>dopamine is made of
tyrosine


also, I asked PerPLX AI to rework my text in "Crowdon Londoner" style:
Bruv, you know there’s bare tyrosine in bananas and buckwheat, innit? And listen — buckwheat porridge, slap a bit o’ gravy on, that hits different. Proper jokes though, ‘cause it’s like the stuff don’t even wanna be porridge in the first place!

 No.303369

>>297753
I tried drinking fuckton of coffee ever since. Did NOT work properly. Allows me to function in some half-hearted/half-assed way (aka posting stuff on Wizardchan instead of doing my work… bak to werk methinks…)



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