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If something good or bad happens in my life it will only temporarily change my happiness level, but after a couple days I always end up back at the same level.

Even after 10 years of NEETing and finally getting a job I felt like my life would be over, but such a huge change like that had little actual effect on my happiness overall.

My question is:
Has anyone here permanently changed their happiness level one way or the other?
Has anyone ever seriously tried (even failed attempts)?

Feel free to post any information related to this concept and if there's any hope for long term change.
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Been practicing for about 10 months now. Here is a non-inclusive list of benefits I've experienced:
• can go to sleep easier and circumvent insomnia
• can cut off awareness from personality for relaxation
• can remove perceived value from events to reduce anxiety and general unhappiness
• through removing sense of self from body, can drastically increase pain tolerance and somewhat alter body sensations
• greatly increased memory from practicing visualization. Since I've started I've also been able to go straight into a dream after waking up if I want. May be able to expand on this to reliably go into wake-induced lucid dreams but I haven't experimented with this
• able to alter moods by conceptualizing the desired result and transferring the sense of self into it
• been experimenting lately with altering body temperature using the above method. I've been able to get a fever a few times and a couple times got my left foot to increase temperature so that it almost felt it was on fire.
• was able to intimidate a family member to stop being verbally abusive by invoking a predatory archetype




That new age meditation shit you posted and deleted was the craziest shit I've ever read here.


i'm not allowed to feel good. i'm cursed.


Drugs and alcohol, but that doesn't last long because your work place is designed to disallow the high life OP.

Still, drugs. I'd do them but I'm still a bum. But if I did work I'd be too lazy and or too deficient to do work. So I'd lose the job.

My life is full of such paradoxes.

Also, you probably feel bad because you went an entire 10 years, 10, without working. How can you just suddenly get over that old mindset that says do nothing and still live? You're trading your time for things, but it's still a trade and if a fair one you actually gain nothing. Normalfags don't notice because they were always busy little bees so it all seems like free shit to them because they actually seem to all but enjoy work. Even if they hate it they dearly love to use the status to blow smoke up their own asses.

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Who else here would describe their situation as an incurable learned helplessness?
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you can always unlearn something i suppose, not that it'd be easy


It's from the 1998 playstation game.


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> current problems are gifts from my shitty childhood.

You could try holotropic breathwoprk repeatedly. The thing is, that the ones who knows how it works will want to pay them with almost a kidney for that.

It's a deep issue that could drop lots of light into any ROBOT's life…


As a person with low self-esteem, it's hard to separate from feelings of laziness or inadequacy.


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I check that box OP along with bouts of utter anhedonia, peter pan syndrome, and the spoon theory.

I could come up with more labels that normalfaggots come up with but they're just labels. Everyone is different. I think avoidant was another one they came up with. Also if the world isn't what you say it is according to 'them' then you're warped to the point of psychosis. The list goes on. Don't like it? Well you must just be depressed!

Back to reality the society they made is shit.

Humans are creatures of habits. If you never got a habit for success then that's simply not who you are. Advice won't help it either, only real opportunities. But would you take them? A paradox. Logic is not the issue but what your issue is habits. Willpower. It's not something you choose to have. It's programmed.

Sounds like the avoidant one for you(s). If the risk is too painful for the reward but there IS a reward then that sounds avoidant to me. Learned helplessness there is no reward. Then there's the spoons where you have no drive, but that one applies to any disability as it is a willpower analogy.
Someone that feels truly helpless would call it incurable due to having lost all hope. The dogs lost all hope and just got used to it so you're avoidant too. You even use the word avoid.

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Is there any way to fundamentally increase happiness? I've made big changes in my life, some good, some bad. For example I used to be a NEET and now I have a job. When I think to myself what I would do if I was a NEET again and had that much free time I feel that I would be very happy, however if I think back to when I was actually a NEET I can say I felt about the same level of happiness as I do now. It's always been consistent throughout my entire life. Big events only fluctuate it temporarily, but nothing changes my base day-to-day happiness long term. So is it possible? Has anyone actually changed their base level of happiness long term?
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I think happiness is the side-effect of meaningful interaction with the world and isn't necessarily tied with pleasure. One could take heroin and have arguably the best feeling in the world but this euphoric state will likely work against your happiness. Same with any other pleasurable activity, it becomes stale and boring after a while. What's important is that you have a sense that the activity in question is somehow leading to a meaningful outcome.

For instance, despite it being a pain to wake up early and commute, I feel that my job keeps my mind engaged with interesting problems while also giving me a positive direction in which to grow and of course, make money. All of this contributes to felt sense of meaningfulness that keeps me relatively happy (for now) despite it not being an euphoric or even comfortable experience.

Of course, I'm not saying you should just get a job and hit the gym brah, but simply to keep in mind that the thing to look out for is meaning and not the perceived pleasure of the activity. Being a NEET, despite being physically and mentally comfortable (usually), is the equivalent of a dead-end in terms of meaning. It's often the case that people can't wait to retire and do nothing and then find themselves in a state of complete despair because they zapped the little meaning they had in life. Again, I'm not saying becoming a wageslave is the answer, but usually work has a nice combination of activities that result in a flow state and opportunities for meaningful growth.

Another part of happiness is meaningful interactions with other people, but these are a rare occurrence for most wizzies. We're a different breed so interacting with most people usually results in either boredom or pain and rarely can you find meaning.


Above all I think this is correct and it's easier said than done, if you start consciously trying to root all the little ways your programmed to be miserable it's quite the trip. Why you feel this way on something, what this or that feeling really is, should this or that matter, blahblahblah. Then you have the negative things that have hard wired themselves through your mind all your life into your body and physical limitations. I don't know the way around some of them, sometimes I wish I never knew at all of the mess I made of this body before I knew better. I just need to live with the fact that I'll always feel like a human science experiment.


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Happiness is not related to success hardly at all. Counter-intuitively, the less you strive for happiness, the happier you become. For me a baseline happiness of 7/10 is ideal. Easy to bring myself back when I slip, goes to 8/10 if in a really good mood, and when doing body practices on top of that (like deep breathing and smile meditation) can dial it up to 9/10. 10/10 happiness would only be reached in deep states of meditation, moments before death/near death experiences or on certain psychedelic drugs.

I'm not shilling for this guy promise, but happen to be re-watching this video atm, very relevant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzzu0kel7d0 Ignore the normie references and the advice on happiness is relevant to wizards especially.


Every single person is different.
It's really you who decides what makes you happy or sad. Don't take any advice that's telling you to do certain specific things like jacking off twice every other day or rubbing honey on your anus.

I quit my job and focused on working out, I am now 200% happier. No job can make me feel good, it will always be a negative thing for me.



Misery comes straight from the depths of your mind. If you ever were to explore here…

It has a counter-spell on it, however: the facilitators and organizers who hold this knowledge always ask for a high payment to use their assistence while using it.

But, if anyone cared to discover how it works and replace them freely, that would be a great gift to mankind.


>learning the spell
>successful cast


I am throwing a wizard drinking session in this thread. Just post whatever is in your head and drink.

>"real wizards don't drink"

Wizards are escapists, I am a wizard, liquor is an escape.

Got a bottle of Bombay Sapphire in the freezer, and a grapefruit. 47% ABV. I genuinely love the taste of gin and hard liquour. Neat.
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I feel the urge to scream well up inside myself. I want to scream "just fucking end me already. Take me away. I don't like it here." I want to go to sleep and never wake up.

Drinking straight gin for this shit.


Is it bad that I take large amounts of vodka with xanax? Hopefully, I won't wake up from it some day.


You probably won't wake up because that combo is deadly


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Wizards I'm dead inside. It's all vanity.


My brain (I think) is damaged enough to treat it that way. I don't want to develop any serious disease which leaves me disabled when older.


Do you feel the same? I want to kill myself everyday, but because I don't have the means to do so in a relatively painless peaceful way, i'm stuck in this nightmare for the long run I guess.

I've been an isolated neet since I dropped out of school in the 6th grade. im now 31 and have nothing left in me to continue.

I just wanted to say I hate humanity with a passion to other people who might have had the same life as me. I hope the normie Muggles get taken out by an asteroid soon.

good day, and let the tendies flow.
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Do you hate us too wizzie?


I want to die but I can't doom my younger brother who is even more autistic than me to an even shittier life




Why, just why… do you want yourself dead instead of them?

Ascetism is what I used to calm my mental pain: meditation, prayer, fasting, etc… and renuouncing to desires that I can't accomplish while they keep hurting inside.

I tried sport but I am too demotivated to waste energy I don't have.


>I want to kill myself everyday, but because I don't have the means to do so in a relatively painless peaceful way, i'm stuck in this nightmare for the long run I guess.
Isn't hanging yourself with a noose from at least one meter enough to kill you instantly, by breaking your neck? I heard if it's high enough, it will even decapitate you.
Not saying you should do it, just saying there's a painless way to do it without guns if someone here really wants to

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In primary school I was bullied by 50% of the students in my class.
In middle school I was bullied by 75% students of my class.
In high school it was once again 50% of the class.

By bullying I mean being bullied by one person at least 2 times.

Does it mean that potentially 50% of the people of earth are my enemies?
Its quite logical conclusion.
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No one owes you a thing.


exactly, just like no one owes you safety when you stand in the line of fire while bullies are getting shot(in minecraft)


in what sense do people really owe anyone anything? even if i stole everything from you, i wouldn't "owe" anything to you unless i had the most basic moralistic sense. if you understand that, then you should be able to see that the concept of "owing" something only makes sense in a given moral framework, e.g. Kant's categorical imperative. you might believe "no one owes you a thing" but if you really believed that you would either be out killing or you'd have been dead.


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>was almost exclusively bullied by females, and the males that bullied me were just tagging along with them for pussy and weren't nearly as aggressive
>was frequently falsely flirted with out of spite, would have them grab my hand and then say I was the one who did it or have it moved to a breast or bra strap
>was called virgin out of the blue all the time
>couldn't beat the shit out of them for obvious reasons
>helplessly put up with this from middle school to graduation
>"ThEy'Re OnLy DoInG iT bEcAuSe ThEy LiKe YoU"
I don't know what bizarro hell I was thrust into. I'm not a manlet nor did I ask anyone out. They came at me for literally no reason.


sorry to hear man. Similar shit happened to me but it was never that bad.

>couldn't beat the shit out of them for obvious reasons

Yup, thats the worst part. And 99% of people don't see a problem with that, its extremely frustrating.

And if you DO retaliate against females like that, everyone will think you only did it because you wanted to fuck them.
As if theres NO WAY a female could ever do something to make a guy angry besides refusing sex.

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Does anyone else waste their time in the most inane way possible? Like watching reviews for things you even afford? Reading threads discussing a video game you never played? At this point when I manage to watch a movie or play a singleplayer video game it feels like an accomplishment even though for others that's what they consider wasting time. I have no topics to talk about with anyone. Obviously can't talk about any social experiences with normal people but also can't even talk to geeks because I rarely consume any new media and I also can't talk to intellectuals because I don't read books or visit any cultural events.


Wasted a decade doing it. Just an empty vessel.


I could write literary the same post about myself, wizbro.


well then start reading books,it's gonna be hard at the beginning to enjoy but once you keep doing it you'll find a really big pleasure


I used to like videogames as a kid. Nowadays I can't play a game more than 20 minutes without being bored of it. I might try playing 2 or 3. I still waste some time reading about new videogames or their companies shenanigans.

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Post here when you don't have enough to say for a topic and it's too depressing for the general crawl thread.
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>They're going to return tomorrow to question your mom if they physically/sexually abuse you.
Not him, but I'm also a mental case. Why do people always think we were raped/molested/sexually abused? It's like the first or second question every social worker asks me, and then it's always like "are you sure? did anyone touch you inappropriately and do X or Y".


a. Because it's the easiest explanation, much harder for people to question their fuckin happy-go-lucky sunny reality, woah, shit just happens without a reason, people can be born fucked, there's no soul but brain in the scull.
b. In a rare(?) case someone were abused, those questions can actually save that person.


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I once stuck with practicing drawing for a few months straight, I didn't improve at all during that time, I bought some books and even followed online guides spending a few hours on it each day, and yet still after months everything I did looked just as terrible as when I started. I feel like I'm just incapable of learning.


How does one start giving a shit?
For the past couple years I have been a NEET, which suits me fine because it allows me to sit and browse the internet. (The one thing that still holds my attention) My Mother has made me aware that I will not be able to do this forever. I am vaguely aware that being homeless will be bad for me since it will make it more difficult to browse the internet and jerk off

Unfortunately, I cannot care about being homeless, or anything at all really. I have no desire to change. No desire to improve. No desire to learn or change anything. Intellectually I know this path leads to a difficult situation, but emotionally I feel no impetus to change. How do you give a shit?


People generally only change when circumstances force them to.

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I will start a drinking session too, taken with some weed, benzos and a weak opiate. Still gets you locked for hours. Don't do it alone my fellow wizard, be part of this moment.

I will share all my wizard knowledge, thoughts and regrets. Feel free to share.
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Man thanks for that "we care" post. I just started cryimg.

That' one of the most beautoful thimgs anyome jas saod to.me and I am 25.

Still sobbing hard.


Just stopped crying. Thanks a lot, it means a lot to me. I could die right know and feel happy and grateful for those kind words


Does Trazadone have any street value?


I think not. Mirtazapime is better and they dom't hace recreational potentia.

Where I live you can get anti depressants and antinpsychotoxsllllllllllllllllllr

Mirtazapine mighr make you hallucinate with closed eyes, and it gives you vivid dreams and you remember yourndreams everydsyn ni rjjrjr


I have mirtazipine too


I feel like there are very few people who consider themselves inferior untermenschen. Even the people who bitch about how oppressed they are. They don't think they are innately inferior, they think just society and various forces unjustly treat them as inferior, when they are not. Even crabs seem to think they are superior in many ways, and its just females primitive attraction to archaic features that holds them down.

How many Calvinists believe they are one of the predestined to hell?

There has to be inferior people. Its implied in competition, inequality, hierarchy. Maybe people accept it, because even though there are superiors above them, theres always an inferior below them to shit on and that makes it worth it. I'm the Atlas holding up the whole world on my back, as the most inferior being. The 2nd most inferior man in the world can shit on me and feel a superior man.

Maybe as a NEET, hikki, wizard who has totally dropped out of and withdrawn from society and social interaction none of this should bother me. But even places like Wizchan will trigger me, in reminding me of who I'm that I exist as this person.

I feel like there is no way of dealing with being inferior. Everything you hear, will either try to convince you that you're not really inferior, or give you self-help self-improvement advice on how not to be inferior. We can't all be winners. Some have to be losers. And one has to be the biggest loser in the world. idk I guess suicide is the obvious answer. But its where my inferior character shows itself again. The cowardice, incompetence, klutziness, fear, laziness, sloth, complacency, passivity, hypocrisy all comes out. I'm too embarrassed to even walk into a gun store, without looking like a suspect. I worry about messing up any method involving arts and crafts. I'm so under the thumb of my parents, that its like a 10 year old trying suicide, and just being gone for 1 day will draw their attention. I put it off to tomorrow like every other project of my life.
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>I think anon is referring to coping as in trying to create bullshit reasons to not want something that you actually do want.

Yes, I understand that but I'm actually defining coping much more broadly than that. That's essentially (c) trying to manipulate the context i.e. the truth, the perception of reality, in an internal way in order to mitigate the frustration and 'fee fees'. You might think that 'compensating' is the way to actually deal with it, but it's just another cope, you're still just trying to minimize the negative emotion (albeit in an active, external way). That's how you end up with dudes buying sports cars or binging every night and hooking up with any willing whore in order to prove their 'fee fees' wrong. Lying to yourself about not wanting sex is pretty much the same as dedicating most of your time to getting laid and finding ways to trick succubi into sleeping with you, because you're ultimately just reacting to your feelings.

Cope exists only as a reaction to that negative emotion. If the fox didn't experience conflict, he wouldn't have to lie to himself about his desires, he could actually try to attain them or move on without a problem, being guided by his rationality and possible rewards instead of aiming to escape negative emotion. I'd say most crabs are more interested in getting rid of their inferiority feelings than their desire for sex. Obviously, jerking off or paying for it doesn't work for most of them because it's not about the sexual pleasure, it's about attaining the context of 'having sex', being 'a person that has sex', dissolving the identity of 'virgin', 'loser' etc. thus escaping their inferiority.

It's all fluff.


So is this actually a tranny or another interloping succubus?


>knows what Calvinism is
>Can string multiple paragraphs together in a coherent thesis
>Subjects self to brutally honest introspection

You are a disenfranchised aristocrat of the soul forced to live in a world of cretins. In the ways that matter you are superior to 99%


I agree with the other wizards here saying to withdraw as much as possible. Why try if you know you can't succeed?


I'd like to obtain some of your wisdom. Any reading recommendation for learning more?

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