No.67318
read the book, fluent forever by gabriel wyner(sp?) will help a lot.
different language require some different approach, you generally get good return on building vocabulary though.
biggest mistake people do trying to learn a language is they try to learn by latching onto their native language with those ideas, words, thoughts. you need to build an entirely new language from the ground up, that means not associating your new language words to your old language words, you need an intermediary, a translation and interpretation layer far more powerful for the mind, that is imagery and emotion. you need to build your language up from thinking the target language word, and first thing that comes into your mind are images, and not the translated meaning in your native tongue. that is the crux and major stumbling block/paradigm shift required to be proper successful and where most fail with their language learning.
find a movie you know really well, all the dialogue, get the sub and dub for it, play it in background or on another screen. listen to music in that target language, watch videos. have an actual physical good dictionary for that language next to you, do this as a habit you hear a word, you randomly open up and try find it, try find what it means.
language acquisition is making all these little easy habits that add up and require almost no effort, for years, culminating into almost effortless. or you can train hard all out for a couple weeks.months then forget about it and never pick it up again. i tried both, i made the mistakes, and learned, then got better. maybe this can help you if you try it. that book fluent forever check it out.
No.69844
is the thread alive yet?
No.69853
>>61740дышишь
лишили лилии
avoid Russian cursive
No.70964
>>53077>I think the standard way of learning languages is just plain wrong in some way. How do children learn their first language? There are no words to map, rather they map their direct experience, their perception, some kind of sense of the world that is then represented by an arbitrary collection of sounds they heard from mommy or the television.I've been wondering more and more lately, for second languages is Memorization:Immersion::Phonics:Whole Language?
I feel like I keep trying to get Immersion to work. I've failed multiple times, and each successive time feels like I'm trying the Whole Language approach. Meanwhile, the only success I've had is just brute force @#$! memorization.
Screw immersion, I'm going to make my next approach just dead-ass memorization and see if it's any different. I've already failed three other times, so I've nothing to lose.
No.70965
>>70964Lol, I wrote that post 6 years ago and I've learned a lot since then.
Anki is tedious BUT if you manage to learn like 500 words and start reading something, you'll feel like you're making progress and that helps a lot. Also, I learned a bunch of "optimizations" that helped me cut down time in Anki (see
>>65531).
Another approach, that works well if you can read the language right away i.e. latin alphabet etc. you can just install something like Lute and start going through super simple texts and working your way up. Re-reading the texts is natural spaced repetition and helps you acquire vocab much better than Anki.
Anyway, since that post, I've made great progress in several languages, a lot of my intuitions were correct but too much theory crafting in the beginning was a mistake, effective language learning is something you figure out through experience and experimentation, not following someone else's recipe or thinking of elaborate methodologies.